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Is it ever a good idea to be a bit more 'forceful' with a depressed person?

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crushedvelvetlava · 19/06/2018 10:54

I've posted about my DM before, several NC before.

I just don't know where to go next, I'm at a complete loss. She hasn't seen me or her GC for 18 months now, despite living only 4 miles away. Noone is ever allowed to come to her house, and she will only communicate with me by text. She doesn't see anyone, or go anywhere - only goes out to buy food, as far as I know.

She will sometimes say that she hopes to come and see us in a few weeks, but this stretches on and on and on, to now - 18 months. It's tragic. I just gently wondered to her there if she might think about coming to visit before we go on holiday (5 weeks away). She's replied that she won't be fit enough then. How does she know that already??

I am at a complete loss as to what to do. I don't think she actually realises how consumed I am with pain over this situation and how many hours I spend racking my brains trying to figure out how to help. I do want her to know this, in the hope that it just might turn things around –but maybe I'm deluding myself on this.

She refuses - or rather - deflects for the time being - any help I offer. For example, she hasn't had a working washing machine for 2 or 3 years now. I can only guess she washes all her clothes by hand in the bath. The thought of this makes me want to cry, she's nearly 73. I want to tell her this! Should I? So I offered recently to order her a washing machine and have it delivered, but she replied "Thanks, but it's too soon." Too soon for what?!? Everything is like that –evasive and vague. I want to scream.

I think she thinks I trundle along happily in my busy life, not giving much thought to her from day to day, and that the way she lives doesn't affect me much. I want her to know that it does! I am so fed up of speaking (texting) gently and skirting around issues, and nothing ever changes, in fact it's getting worse. She will often now reply to a text only to say she will reply to my text tomorrow, or in several days' time. How can this be safe, at her age? I have no idea who her doctor is, btw, and she won't tell me –she'd consider the thought of me contacting him/her as an outragous breach of privacy.

I'm sorry for rambling, and sorry if this story sounds familiar to anyone, I have been here before. Just in case any of you have any magic solutions, but I think I know the answer ...

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Curtainshopping · 19/06/2018 15:03

What happens if you go to her house? Does she just not answer the door?

LivingMyBestLife · 19/06/2018 15:42

That would be extreme pressure Curtain and it would be very unlikely that the door would be opened or that the mother would speak to the OP for some considerable time afterwards! I suspect putting a card through the door rather than in the post would meet with the same reaction too, unfortunately.

Bombardier we are obviously coming at this from opposite sides of the experience. Believe me, my tolerance is massive!

When in their bubble, my relative is not happy probably because they are at the mercy of their own thoughts which are not good ones so it's not a calm place for them at all. Their take on the world is not accurate, and the more they withdraw the bigger the inaccurate thoughts are in their mind. Withdrawing into the bubble is like having a fight with yourself. It's not a situation anyone can win.

The OP is not alone - neither is her mother.

internetprawn · 19/06/2018 23:41

wow. 73. And depressed?

She could also have dementia or feel she's having issues with her memory which she's too scared to address in case there are consequences. She might not be able to use a new washing machine: too many buttons and dials and things to get used to. She might be evasive in communications and sticking to her routines because that way, nobody notices she's forgetting things and not bathing and nobody drags her off into a home and maybe she just wants to live a while longer in her own house, surrounded by her own things, and if nobody sees her, if nobody notices, nothing happens and she gets to retain her independence and pride.

I know that sounds dramatic, but that's the reality for a lot of older people these days. The state takes their home and their pensions and often they end up in an underfunded government facility with £20 a week pocket money and in an even worse state, both psychologically and physically than she is now. The older ones sit around in the pubs, chatting like conspiracy nuts about it. It's a real fear, for many people, being 'stuck away'.

Maybe she's trying to keep the house or some money so that she has something to give you and the kids. Maybe she's behaving like this, not because she doesn't care, but because she really does and she's trying to keep something to pass on?

I say all this as my FIL, who recently passed away, was as herein described. Not seeing people as regularly. His mates died off. His mobility was suffering, he lived alone, was isolated, and yeah, he knew his mind was going, and he was scared, and he just wanted to live his life, potter about, and go on his own terms, which he eventually did.

He wasn't bathing, had lost lots of weight, had jobs that needed doing around the house and needed new shoes, but none of that he seemed able to do. Everyone in the family was concerned, we'd noticed a lack of food in the fridge, etc, but nobody said anything: too polite, you see. Didn't want to offend him.

Turns out, he had a shoulder injury, couldn't physically get in the bath, couldn't carry the shopping like he used to, didn't want to ask for help in case people started noticing he was forgetful and stuck him away.

We collectivized as a family, somebody did his shopping, somebody else went with him to his appointments, we got a shower to replace the bath and a 'lifeline' call point fitted, all that jazz.

We looked into sheltered accommodation, home helps, support workers: there's a whole raft of people who are able to help with the practical things, but it costs money, and a lot of people just don't have it to 'waste'.

If you're concerned she's not safe, not eating, is exceptionally vulnerable, then you need to phone social services and at least have somebody assess her care needs/mental health status, just in case. You can do that as a concerned relative, and it'd probably be better to tell her upfront, too, so she knows what's going on. She won't like it, but... sometimes, that's how it goes.

HeddaGarbled · 19/06/2018 23:51

She’s ill, seriously ill, and I think that she needs intervention for her safety. Forget about the seeing her grandchildren stuff - that is not the priority. I don’t think you are going to persuade her into anything whatever approach you take, forceful or gentle or emotional manipulation.

I agree with PP - contact social services for whichever local authority she lives in and be honest about the situation. She needs professional intervention.

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