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Very unsociable adult DS - does this sound like a mental health problem or just his natural personality?

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UsernameInvalid66 · 07/01/2018 13:21

DS has just turned 21 and is at uni. All his life he's been a rather solitary person by nature. This seemed to be partly his own choice and partly that he just "didn't know what to say" if he wanted to talk to people. When he was about 6 I asked the school nurse, during a health check, whether she thought he might be mildly autistic and what I should do if he was, and she said that it was possible, although she didn't really see signs of it, but as he was happy as he was, and doing very well academically, she wouldn't advise doing anything.

Until his mid teens he usually had one or two closeish friends at any one time, usually people who were similarly a bit quirky/nerdy, but he hasn't had much of a social life since it stopped being about parents organising tea invitations and started being more about the kids themselves informally suggesting something. He always said he did talk to people at school but mostly about the work. He tagged along sometimes if people were going to McDonalds or something at lunchtime but I don't think he ever pro-actively suggested anything like that. In his first year at uni he lived in a flat in hall and hung out with his flatmates quite a lot in the first few weeks, but as the others developed new friendships on their courses, this gradually fizzled out. He still occasionally played pool with one of the other quieter ones and went to his subject-based club every week, but that was about it. He seemed happy enough like that, but if I asked him if he'd ever tried to get talking to other people, he'd just say "I don't know what to say."

The second year was difficult for him and I think it knocked his confidence a bit. He left it too late to find a group of people he already knew to look for a house with, and ended up moving into an established house where he was the only new person. Two of them did make some effort to include him at first - they invited him to go somewhere quite interesting with them - but I think they lost interest when he didn't reciprocate with an invitation of his own. He was also quite unhappy because the others didn't clean after themselves and were very noisy, and he found it very hard to confront them about it, though he did say something to the landlady in the end and she sorted it out. But basically he became more and more isolated that year, never really becoming close to anyone in the house and only talking to his coursemates about the work. He had quite a tough workload and stayed in a lot, trying to keep on top of it.

Now it's his final year. Again he's living in a shared house where he didn't know the people before. He's happier in this one because they're more considerate about noise, mess etc, but he hasn't got to know any of them at all well (there are quite a lot of them and he still doesn't know what some of them are called, and thinks it would be embarrassing to ask now). Again he's had to work very hard, and while he doesn't always enjoy that, I think it's the only thing that stops him seeing how boring his life is because he doesn't socialise. If I ask him why he doesn't just strike up a conversation with someone on his course, it's the same old excuse - he doesn't know what to say. (He talks to people he's working on projects with, and to his lecturers, and can handle "administrative" conversations just fine.)

Also, he never seems to feel any strong emotions or have strong opinions about anything, with the possible exception of getting a bit panicky about work deadlines sometimes. If he seems interested in something, he tends to lose interest if people start assuming he's interested in it and trying to get him to participate in it more.

My gut feeling is that he isn't autistic, because he doesn't seem to fit all the diagnostic criteria - he's never had any obsessions that I know of, doesn't fear change (in fact as a child and teenager he often moaned about eating the same things or going to the same places what he felt was a boring amount of times), never has anything resembling meltdowns, doesn't seem to have any sensory issues - he just doesn't like communicating! I wonder if he's somehow just got out of practice because, as a natural introvert, he didn't see the point, but could relearn some social skills if he was prepared to put in some effort. But he probably feels that keeping on top of his work is the biggest priority and he can't afford to take his eye off that goal. He doesn't even enjoy his subject all that much any more, by the way, but agrees that at this stage it's probably best to keep going, get his degree and then think about what he wants to do next.

Any thoughts on what might be going on here - does he sound autistic to you? Depressed? Social anxiety? Just an introvert? If he ever decides to help himself, what would be the best thing for him to do? I recognise that as an adult he has to make his own decisions about any course of action but if he comes to the point where he sees something needs doing and asks, what do I suggest? I sort of feel that life will only get harder for him once he gets a job and doesn't have any inbuilt social "scene" around him, whether he chooses to participate in it or not.

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SuperDiaperBaby · 08/01/2018 08:34

Wish I had the answer - sounds very like my DS. It worries me but up till now I have always satisfied myself that he is an introvert who does not seek the company of others. However I really worry I am wrong and that some early concerns I had were not followed up.

I do know children who have crashed out of uni with a late diagnosis as that was the point that their support structure disappeared but as your son is managing (albeit not necessarily thriving) that is positive. Sadly I have no answers but did not want to leave you unanswered.

UsernameInvalid66 · 08/01/2018 13:50

Oh thanks Super! Maybe we should have a support group for parents of not-quite-like-everyone-else-but-not-quite-anything-definable children!

How old is yours? Does he seem happy? I was happy as long as mine was, and I know his current problems are not really anything to do with his personality and lifestyle, but I still feel he'd be enjoying life more if he had people to unwind with after working so hard...

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SuperDiaperBaby · 08/01/2018 19:46

Totally understand what you are getting at. My DS is 19 and I feel like no-one has ever understood his particular issues. It has been difficult every step because he has managed to maintain his academic performance.

I am not sure if he does not like communicating or does not know how to communicate. He was always socially immature and his speech was a little delayed and unclear so early on at nursery and school he did not manage to establish some of the usual early connections. The knock on was that he did not have any early practice at keeping them going so he was always playing catch up. He managed when he was younger with arranged playdates and siblings but he is now at university at I feel that he seems not necessarily isolated but alone.

Hard to say if he is happy - he is very resilient in a strange way - but it makes me sad that he has no friends when he is such a trooper. We tried really hard to talk through the possibilities of the start at university but like your DS he did not manage to convert any of his new acquittances into friendships. It is hard but I am not sure whether I help him when I talk things through or whether I am making him feel that I am disappointed with him when he is perfectly happy.

UsernameInvalid66 · 08/01/2018 21:13

I could have written every word of that (apart from the age)!

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Weezol · 08/01/2018 21:35

Can I suggest you read 'Quiet - The power of introverts in a world that can't stop talking' by Susan Cain.

It will help explain a lot. I spent years thinking I was a bit odd. I'm not, I'm an introvert. Quite happy with a small group of friends, not a huge fan of group outings or forced jollity - things like hen nights just seem like a lot of hard work for very little reward.

It may be that your son is actually doing what he should be - working hard to get a good degree, so socialising and noise are not conducive to that. He may also view university as 'temporary' so doesn't see much point in making a huge social investment there.

SuperDiaperBaby · 08/01/2018 21:44

Yes - great book which does explain the introvert bit and it helps me to try to not worry. I think my difficulty is I am not totally convinced that he does not want friends just that he does not know where to start building a friendship. He does not have a small group of friends - he has none.

The future worries me but again maybe that is because I am judging a life without any social interactions as one that is not happy when for him it may be fulfilling.

Weezol · 08/01/2018 21:53

I'm tempted to suggest you stop asking for a while - he may well be interacting socially more than you (and he) realise. He may also have some friends online.

Not many students discuss university social life in depth with parents. It's an awkward stage somewhere between being an adult at university and a child at home, along with trying to work out where you fit in the 'real world'.

tootiredtospeak · 08/01/2018 22:02

My son is a relatively high achieving autistic ( not Asperger) in that he attends school and will hopefully get a few GCSE’S but I don’t think I’d ever get him to Uni. Not academic enough but also his anxiety just wouldn’t allow it. New situations people stressed being away from me having to talk to people. He has very few meltdowns but he wouldn’t cope at all. Your DS sounds naturally introverted but he’s got this far. Is he telling you he’s unhappy if he’s not I can understand you worrying but he’s finding his way I’d let him get on with it.

UsernameInvalid66 · 09/01/2018 08:09

Thanks for all the comments.

Weezol I'll look out for that book, it sounds interesting and relevant.

tired he's unhappy about his workload sometimes, but not about his social life as far as I know. I do try not to be prescriptive but I ask him about it sometimes out of genuine interest. Although I'm quietish myself, his life still seems unusual to me and I have the urge to try to understand it.

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