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Why doesn't counselling work for me?

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onlyoranges · 10/10/2015 20:10

I have had it for years, lots of different types and although it has helped me to understand myself and the traumatic experiences I have had it has done absolutely nothing to change anything. I am probably the worst I have ever been. Is this just me. Am I doing something wrong? Has anyone else had counselling that has really impacted on their negative behaviours. I am starting to think I just need to accept myself for who I am and accept I will be unhappy and keep hurting myself until I die.

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MotiSen · 11/10/2015 03:06

What type of counseling have you tried? Have you tried Cognitive Behavioral Therapy? That has helped me ~90% with anxiety/depression, but in the end, i don't think really anyone is 100% "normal."

onlyoranges · 11/10/2015 18:22

I've had loads of person centred which seems to be very popular and CBT as I say its been great to help me understand myself and my life but as far as changing my negative behaviours they are still there prob worst than ever but think thats due to a recent bereavement. I wonder is it me? Are the behaviours too ingrained? Am i doing something wrong? I always go into it thinking it will work this time and really embrace the therapy and do everything that is expected of me but it still doesn't work!

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Misnomer · 11/10/2015 18:31

How long have you being having any particular period of counselling for?

I've found both cbt and person centred counselling to be very good and helpful but I've also seen quite a few counsellors who just weren't very good and I didn't feel it was going to get me anywhere. I think it needs to be a fit not just of the counselling style but also of the particular person. The person centred counselling that worked for me ran for two years. I felt particularly crappy at about the one year stage and then things gradually improved. It was a long process and I was very lucky to be able to be seen for that long but it absolutely did take that to get to the point where I felt 'better'.

MotiSen · 12/10/2015 02:19

I agree with misnomer - the right counselor is key. Sometimes you just have to figure out what that counselor is trying to do for you. It's confusing, and sometimes I find it cheaper to read a book to gain a better understanding. CBT for Dummies, believe it or not, helped me a lot. But, you know what really helped, too? Exercise. Raises natural endorphin levels. Can help you to make it from day today until you figure it out.

I haven't figured it all out - but I do believe that circumstance determines a lot. A person with a loving, supportive, mentally healthy family is going to have an easier time of it than I will - with my unloving, nonsupportive, mentally unhealthy family. : ) I have to make a family - I can't say I've had a whole lot of success in that area, but at least i am not still trying to get what I will never get from my biological family.

So, yes, figuring yourself out, and changing yourself, and accepting what you can't change, and trying different forms of counseling, even trying antidepressants -- it's a process - but in the end, I feel good (most of the time), because I really tried, and I still work at it. No one is happy all the time. Especially not if there is some complexity to you and your life. But, self knowledge can be very gratifying. Then my idiot brother calls and I'm almost back at zero again for a few hours. Then I climb back out again.

Recently, I got some help by doing 3 months with betterhelp.com. You know - it's just a pile of things I have tried in my search for answers.

Bereavement complicates matters - because that is depression for a reason - unlike, say your clinical depression - and i know that sometimes it feels like it is never going to get better with one thing piling up on another. My brother passed away in 2005, and there was not much that was going to help me at that time. Understanding the stages of grief helped me to understand what my brain was going through, but it didn't stop me from really, really, really missing him and feeling very, very, very, bereft - because he was my only family member I had a positive connect with. And, I lost him. It took 5 years for it to stop feeling like a stab wound every time I thought of him.

Learning something new also raises natural endorphin levels. I learned a lot of new things. No just in psychotherapy. Take a class in something that interests you. Best thing CBT for Dummies taught me is - don't do what your depression tells you to do. I.e., don't stop doing anything and sleep too much.

I think what might be key, too - is figuring out whether you need antidepressants. I used wellbutrin after my brother died. I was too deeply depressed at that time to get better just with CBT.

What is your situation with family?

Do you think you might need antidepressants?

You have value. Keep trying.

Millie2013 · 12/10/2015 08:18

Echo the suggestions that you may not have found the "right" therapist

The only thing that has worked for me was long term therapy, with a very experienced and lovely therapist. She's a psychoanalyst, but draws on different theories, at different times
I honestly thought I was so treatment resistant that I'd never get better and was destined to be miserable, forever

onlyoranges · 12/10/2015 10:31

Thanks for the replies. I have had counselling off and on for a couple of decades. You may be right that I haven't found the right one.

My family are all dead really apart from a couple of people who I don't know. I didn't have a great family really, most of them either drunk themselves to death or killed themselves either on purpose or by accident.

Tried every anti depressant going I think but I get alot of side effects with them and neither the medical proff or me are so keen on me having them now as the side effects last time were really bad.

Maybe I just haven't found the right thing yet. Maybe its not just one thing.

Again your replies mean alot so thank you for taking the time to help.

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gandalf456 · 12/10/2015 10:33

I had CBT which worked a bit and then traditional counselling. I didn't get on with the standard counselling, either.

Memyselfandthatotherperson · 12/10/2015 10:50

My last cbt counsellor described my anxiety as a road in the dirt that I've driven over so many times it's now flattened out. To take a different path (I.e. Not get trapped in anxious thought) means starting on new bumpy dirt. It takes time to flatten out and for a long while it will be habit to drive the smooth road.

And yes, there are counsellors/therapists you just don't get on the same wavelength as.

Be kind to yourself. Flowers for your loss.

MotiSen · 12/10/2015 22:19

Agree with MeMyself..."It takes time to flatten out and for a long while it will be habit to drive the smooth road. " Change is difficult.

onlyoranges · 13/10/2015 19:39

Thanks everyone. Totally agree. I wonder if there is something blocking my capacity to change? I really want to. I don't think it's fear. I don't know.

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onlyoranges · 13/10/2015 21:35

Could you explain a bit more about your unconscious blocking and dissacociation if it's not too painful of course.

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hedgehogsdontbite · 13/10/2015 21:51

In my experience it doesn't help until the underlying problem is identified. In my case it was years of various therapies and anti-depressants and years of not getting better and feeling hopeless. I emigrated and straight away they said they suspected I actually had autism. Years down the line and I'm properly diagnosed, getting the right help and finally starting to enjoy life.

My friend has a similar tale of years of making no progress and only started to feel better when one therapist identified that she had BPD. It shifted the whole focus of her therapy.

onlyoranges · 14/10/2015 07:54

Thank you for sharing your personal experiences. I believe I had an attachment disorder and I am starting to think unless I can get treatment for that nothing will work as that's always there not dealt with and filters through everything in my life. It's only recently I have started to think this may be what's affecting all the years of counselling/anti depressants I have tried. It appears virtually impossible to get the NHS to diagnosis it. Which I think is odd really as so many children have it I wonder what they think happens to these children, as they do grow into adults!

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SealSong · 14/10/2015 08:31

Have you looked into DBT - Dialectical Behaviour Therapy? This type of therapy may be helpful for you if you struggle with painful or overwhelming emotions, upsets in your relationships and self harm. It's available on the NHS generally.

CarlTrusler01 · 24/10/2019 07:17

Good morning. My name is Carl and I have just read your post. I would be happy to help you if this is still going on. I studied counselling for 4 years and I know it doesn’t work for everyone. I have now studied Neuro linguistic Programming (NLP) and I am seeing amazing results using this than I did with counselling. I get that it’s not for everyone but if you have had counselling off and on for a couple of decades I will be more than happy to help if you are still stuck.
All the best

Carl

billandbenflowerpotmen1 · 24/10/2019 08:00

Which I think is odd really as so many children have it I wonder what they think happens to these children, as they do grow into adults!
The children I have known with diagnosed attachment disorders and who did not heal during childhood ( did not receive the therapy necessary to heal) , have become distressed adults with diagnosis along the lines of Borderline Personality Disorder

Limensoda · 24/10/2019 10:00

Counselling isn't a magic cure. You have to work at making changes based on what you've learned about yourself. You don't just change.
It's like reading a self help book or a fitness book, you now have the information but unless you do the exercises you stay the same.
Only you can block your ability to change but a good counsellor should be able to help you by advising you on work to do yourself.

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