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Help with a depressed teenager making unreasonable demands?

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Jodhia · 20/01/2015 16:51

Hi, this is my first post here. I confess that I'm not a parent, but I am an older sister and I'm very worried about my family. My younger sister is now just over 17 years, and she suffers from both anxiety and depression, and she is also, unfortunately, somewhat spoiled. She recently got into a nasty fight with her group of "friends", with whom she had been working on a school project. Said project was an elaborate, complicated affair, and she ended up doing most of the organisation and work and going through a lot of stress. She was up working on it for two nights before it was due and she was in pretty bad shape the next morning. She still went to school, though. We don't know exactly what happened, or exactly what she said, but her friends haven't spoken to her since unless they had to. At the risk of sounding partial, neither I nor my parents liked those girls, who were quite well spoken, but also spiteful and egotistic. My sister can be quite abrasive at times, all the more so if she is under stress, and according to her she commented on how one of the girls had elected to go to a lunch party instead of joining the study group to work on the project. She says that that is all she said, and apparently it was enough to make them all start shouting at her. After that, they started ignoring her and she came home in tears. She went into depression after that, and it kept getting worse because her friends made no attempt to patch things up. The situation was bad enough that the principal of the school decided to intervene and tried to mediate. My sister apologised for whatever she had said, but the other girls refused to accept her apology and bluntly told her that her sorry was not enough, it was "too late", and they didn't want to speak to her. I got the impression that they were enjoying this, somehow. Recently, one of the girls spoke to my sister- to tell her to return the outfits she had gifted her. This situation had a terrifying effect on her, all the more so because two examinations have come up- a 'practise' session and the finals. The school offered to exempt her from the former, but she refused, because she was afraid people would gossip. The subsequent work, and continuously encountering those girls in school is taking its toll on her. She has always been very moody and somewhat bad tempered. A simple comment can cause her to snap at you and get defensive, and we generally have to walk on eggshells around her. If she wants something and it isn't possible, she gets angry. She has got into the habit of refusing her food unless it is something she likes (a very narrow range) and she may not eat even them. She is past the age when we can force feed her and her recent checkup showed that she is suffering from malnutrition. This recent matter has made everything much worse. For the past month, she has been asking for a puppy. Apparently it will make her feel happy. Under normal circumstances this would have been possible. The problem is that while she might take care of the dog at first, most of the work will end up being done by my mum. And she already has far too much to do. She isn't young any more, or in the best of health, and she's under a lot of stress as it is. On top of that, she's extremely worried about my sister. There are other factors as well- we aren't very well off, and a new puppy will be a drain on our finances, we might have to move house because our old home will need to be renovated soon, my sister will soon be busy with her exams and then college- she may not even be at home anymore, and we already have a dog and two cats. The dog was brought as a gift for my sister five years ago, and after a while she lost interest in it, and my parents and I took care of it. She literally makes no contribution other than petting her and occasionally putting food into the dish if she is asked to.
My mother was frightened by my sister's behaviour, especially when she said that she had been thinking of suicide. (She is under counselling and medication, but it is a bit difficult because she often refuses both) Mum agreed to get her a puppy and we went to take a look at a litter her acquaintance was looking after. These dogs are a local breed and found as strays everywhere in my country. Since our dog is an unspayed female, we didn't want to risk taking a male. There were two females in the litter and my sister promptly fell in love and asked if she could take both. The lady who was caring for them promptly chirped up, exhorting us to take both the puppies. Between the two of them, my mum caved and brought both the pups home- which she regretted within minutes. Caring for them was extremely difficult, and while my sister kept her word, there was only so much she could do while juggling her studies at the same time. Continuously cleaning up after them, waking up to them howling at night got to be too much for her- as well as the rest of us. The family dog became jealous and irritable and one of the cats, who is a rather neurotic creature, fled the house altogether. My mother in particular found it far too much. Then one of them fell ill and it was the final straw. My parents and I decided to return the puppies, and my father called my sister and I and spoke to us seriously about the difficulties we were having- in particular our mother's health. She suffers from high blood pressure, and too much stress can cause a lot of damage. When my father and I got back from returning the puppies, we found that my sister had taken nothing away from his words other than that her puppies were being returned even though she 'needed' them so desperately, and that we hadn't given her any time or even a choice about it. My mother felt terrible about it, as she had promised her a puppy, and she had had to take back her word. She promised that we would get her a puppy as soon as her practise exams were over. My father, however, stated that he doesn't want a local breed, as he thinks they aren't very healthy. My sister has decided to set her heart on a local breed, because rescuing strays is the right thing to do, which is the only matter in which I agree with her. My sister now alternates between depression, haranguing mum for a puppy, sulking, crying, raging and rarely, behaving almost normally. She pays no attention to anything other than what she thinks she wants, and has become almost impossibly self centered. My mum is bearing the brunt of all her harsh words and bad behaviour, and I can see how difficult it is for her. I can't be at home, as I'm both in university and working. Today, I got home to find out that we have two leads on puppies, and that my father caved on the local breed issue. The first lead is my sister's primary school's teacher, who is looking after a litter of 1 1/2 month puppies, who are too young, and the second is a 2 1/2 month old female, who lives indoors, is vaccinated and used to cats. The latter is ideal, but my sister insists that we look at both because she wants 'options'. That this will involve mum driving her first to one side of the city and then to the other doesn't concern her. After all, she isn't asking her to do it everyday. My mother had been he one to ask her to call her primary school's teacher and ask about puppies, something she wasn't too keen to do as she disliked her earlier school. She now insists that she can't back out without at least seeing the puppies, and refuses to tell her teacher that we have already found another option. When I tried to reason with her, she instantly got, first defensive, then angry, at which I got irritated as well. She shouted that she 'didn't want a puppy', accused us of not understanding how miserable she was and stormed off to her room, crying, and then tried to walk out of the house (it was almost ten at night). I tried to apologise, at which point she turned on me and said some fairly nasty things. Mum eventually got her back indoors. Despite everything we are probably getting the puppy, and I don't think it'll do much good. I've reached the end of my rope, and so have my parents. Lastly, as selfish as this is, I am very worried about my cat- the one who ran away when the two puppies arrived. She is an extremely nervous and unfriendly animal, and doesn't react well to anything new. She came back after the puppies were returned, but I'm afraid that if a new pup arrives she might decide to leave for good. I've raised her since she was an abandoned newborn, and I really don't want to lose her. To top it all off I keep expecting mum to fall really ill because of the amount of stress she is under. I don't know who to ask for help, but I've heard good things about this website and so I'm hoping you can suggest something?
If you got through that novel, I thank you for your patience and for reading. As parents yourself, I'm hoping you might know just how to handle this situation.

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FATEdestiny · 21/01/2015 00:48

Phew, a lot to read!

How old is your sister? You mention her 'primary' teacher but are you not in the UK?

I think your sister might benefit from some strong boundaries. This would be for your Mum & Dad to set though, not you. You should be looking after your own wellbeing, you do not need to bear the responsibility for your sister.

How long ago did the school incident happen? is it sorted now? Is she OK at school?

Finally - getting a pet, a dog, should surely be a whole family decision. Your sister cannot reasonably expect to badger your parents into getting one.

Your sister may need to see a doctor and/or councillor about her depression. Being self-centred is part of depression. But that said, the well being of you, your mum and your dad are just as important.

Jodhia · 21/01/2015 14:56

Yes, it is a lot to read. I'm sorry. Part of it was venting because I had just walked out of a quarrel with her, and the other was trying to explain everything as best as I can. But thank you so much for reading! I really appreciate it.

My sister is 17 going on 18. I'm not from the U.K., no. I'm from India. Our school system is like this- Kindergarten when you're five, Class one when you're six, and so on. Primary school ends when you've finished Class ten- which is when you're fifteen. After that is secondary school, which consists of class 11 and 12. My sister is in class 11 and on the verge of giving her school leaving exams.

I agree, but how do we implement those boundaries without triggering her depression or anger? Reason simply doesn't work with her, because she turns everything around to be about her. Ad I know my parents should be doing this, but I'm really worried about them. Mum isn't in the best of health and she's overworked enough as it is. She has so much to worry about already. Neither her mother or grandmother lived past 62 years, and she once mentioned that she probably won't be around much longer as well. It gave me a terrible fright and I'm afraid that each tantrum my sister throws is pushing mum just a little bit closer... My family's wellbeing is my wellbeing. If they are gone, who do I live for?

The school incident happened just over a month back. It isn't really sorted, as I said. Her 'friends' aren't talking to her. She's never liked school, so she's trying to get it over with. She comes home upset everyday.

In all honesty, my parents and I feel we have enough pets. It's a huge commitment, and it also means we can't go on outings or vacations very much. Plus, as I said, more than likely, my parents will land up looking after the new puppy after my sister moves out or loses interest. But it's impossible to reason with her. She gets so angry and upset. She essentially blackmails us by refusing to eat or take her medication. And we end up so worried we have to give. We've got a puppy today and she seems happy, but I'm not too thrilled.

She does see a councillor, but she often refuses to keep her appointments or decides that she dislikes the person. she is also under medication, butt as I said, she often refuses to take it. If he doesn't eat, we cant give her the medicine either, because it can't be taken on an empty stomach. She's damaging her own health as well as ours.

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NanaNina · 21/01/2015 15:19

Can I just say FATEn that I strongly disagree with your comment "being self centred is part of depression" and I find it quite offensive. I suffer from intermittent depression which is sometimes severe but I am certainly not self centred, quite the reverse. Nor have I ever heard this mentioned as one of the symptoms of depression.

OK Jodhia - you write with depth and clarity and your concern for your mother and to some extent your sister come through in your post. It seems that the issues with the other girls at school is not the main concern, as you detail all the other problems with your sister. You say she is "spoiled" - is she the youngest, and is there any particular reason for this, or has she been over protected because she has always been emotionally fragile in some way.

Presumably she will soon be going to Uni - although I don't know anything about the school system in India.

This puppy business is I think quite ridiculous and I think your parents need to stop the whole business. You worry that refusal will trigger her depression or anxiety, but it will be triggered in any event about any number of things (I don't mean to sound unsympathetic especially as you can see I suffer from depression) but I am not 17 - far from it! It must be very hard for a young girl to suffer with this illness but I don't think caving into her demands is the way forward. What are your parents going to do if and when she demands something else - another animal, a car, a boat or whatever? As Fate said the ground rules for getting a puppy is that the whole family must be in agreement and they're not. SO encourage your father to put your mother's health first and stop this puppy business. It sounds like your mother is willing to do anything to appease your sister (and as a mother I can understand this to some extent) but the thing is, she isn't actually helping your sister by giving in to her demands. She has to live in the real world and people are not always going to give her what she wants, and it sounds like there has been too much "pussy footing" around her for many years.

Your sister needs kindness for sure and empathy with her mental health problems but she also needs tough love which is about not giving in to all her demands. In any event the puppy will almost certainly not make her happy - would that depression and anxiety could be cured by getting a puppy, and there would never be any puppies in need of a home!!

You mention she is suffering from malnutrition but surely she has an Eating Disorder (anorexia) maybe. I'm not sure how this is viewed in India but it is a very common mental health problem here in the UK especially with teenage girls, and it's nothing to do with food, it's to do with control. It tends to arise when people don't feel they are in control of their lives and so exercise control in the area of food which is something that is in their capability. Sorry you probably know all of this already, but I do wonder if your sister needs to be treated for an ED as it can become life threatening when weight falls very low.

So sorry you are all so distressed by your sister's mental health issues. Maybe she will recover as she grows out of the teenage years and moves on in life. BUT please get your parents to say NO to the puppy!!

NanaNina · 21/01/2015 15:24

Oh Noooo I've just seen that you already have got a puppy!! I think your sister is manipulating you all by refusing to eat or take meds if she doesn't get her own way. I'm afraid your parents are teaching her that being manipulative is an emotionally healthy way to function, as her tactics are successful and she gets her way, and I suspect this has been going on for many years..........I think your parents need to change to be honest - difficult I know but not impossible. A can't change B's behaviour but B can change their behaviour in relation to A. Hence change will occur - not necessarily for the better, especially when a certain dynamic is entrenched but it's the only way forward..........although it may well be too late now.

Jodhia · 24/01/2015 20:41

Apologies for not being able to reply for the past two days. I've been very busy.
My sister is the younger of the two of us. There is no particular reason why she would be spoiled, precisely, but it might be because our father wasn't around for most of our childhoods. His job transferred him to another city, and because we were both already settled into our school by then, our parents decided it would be better not to move us. Mum's an incredibly sweet and loving person, but she can't discipline very well. That might be a reason. I'm not sure, honestly. My sister wasn't always like this. It's true, both my mother and I tried to 'protect' her. My mum did everything she could to keep both of us happy. And I wanted to be a good big sister. Not like some of my classmates back then, who always seemed to quarreling and jealous of their younger siblings. Both our mother and I went out of our way to do things for her, to the point where, I suppose, she's taking it for granted.

Yes, she will. Or she certainly plans to. She doesn't seem very enthusiastic about her subject choice, but insists that it's the only thing that will pay well and give her a proper livelihood. It's her call, but I can't help but think she's being too cynical.

I had a talk with my father yesterday, and he said that a good part of my sister's behaviour is because she is under an enormous amount of stress right now. She is very studious and extremely concerned about her marks. The two major school leaving exams are both extremely difficult and draining. In addition, the boards often do things like changing the syllabus midway through the term or even with a week to go before the exam. The textbooks are complicated and full of unnecessary information, and some are extremely difficult to obtain. Add incompetent teachers and elaborate projects to the mix and I can understand my sister's behaviour somewhat. But only somewhat. At this point, my father says, it's better for her sake to accede to her more reasonable demands. The exams are close and she is already on hair trigger. Once they are over, she will relax a substantially and be open to reasoning. I hope he's right. Both he and my mother say that the puppy is not that much of a problem.

I agree with you, and it's something she has never really had. The puppy hasn't really changed her behaviour much. She is caring for it and cleaning up after it, but how much longer will she be able to do this with her exams coming up? And if we dare to point this out to her, she will flare up and flatly state that she will manage. At the moment she is angry because the puppy isn't being allowed to sleep on the bed with her- which is no-no for dogs in our house. They have a bed and for themselves. Her argument is that since it's her side of the bed, we have no right to mind, and if we do mind, she'll sleep on the floor or in the sitting room. Neither of those are proper options and she knows it. She pointed out that the cats are allowed on the bed, which is true, but it is only because we couldn't work out how to stop them. Dogs are also far more messier. Unfortunately, trying to reason with her simply made her angrier and she was extremely rude to all of us, saying that apparently she 'has no opinion in this house'. She has been trying to pick a quarrel with me all day today because she knows that I am the one most opposed to this, because half of it is my bed. Is there any way I can tackle this peacefully? Believe me, I love this puppy, but I also think there should be boundaries. This is a bad habit that should not be indulged, but she is encouraging it.

She doesn't have an eating disorder. Those are problems here too, but she doesn't have one. She is extremely picky about what she eats. If she doesn't like the look of it, she won't touch it. She does eat, but only from the very narrow range of what she likes. It's very difficult to get her to eat anything nutritious. She has also got so used to missing meals that she doesn't seem to feel hungry anymore, which makes it even easier for her to not eat.

Thank you again for reading this, and for helping me.

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