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Does anyone know of any alternatives to AD's and/or talking therapy? Open to all suggestions!

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BouncyBabe98 · 01/06/2014 12:14

Basically the above describes pretty much what I am looking for.
I have struggled with anxiety and depression on and off since I was a teenager. I have taken AD's in the past but do not want to take them again. I have tried counseling but if I am honest I do not really want to talk. - Perfect patient me!
I know there are things like hypnotherapy but I am cautious to try.

Has anyone had any success treating their depression/anxiety with any methods other than AD/counseling?

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ETsmum · 01/06/2014 13:37

I have had a couple of sessions of hypnotherapy and was taught about EFT/tapping by the same lady. Have found both useful - I was sceptical about the hypnotherapy too before I tried it, but like you I have had medication and a bit of conventional talking therapy and didn't feel I was getting anywhere fast. I still have times that aren't great, but I have a few more skills to deal with things now.

madmummy12 · 01/06/2014 13:48

You could try treating yourself with vitamins/supplements?

There are a lot of things that are great for anxiety. I have been taking magnesium glycinate which completely eradicated my anxiety. Don't take oxide as it is completely useless and badly absorbed. The best forms are glycinate and citrate (although citrate might give you more loose bowels).

Here is some literature on magnesium for anxiety/depression;
george-eby-research.com/html/magnesium-for-depression.pdf

Here is another good thread about treating anxiety with supplements;
www.longecity.org/forum/topic/54028-treating-anxiety-safely-effectively/

Anxiety is normally calmed by raising the levels of the neurotransmitter GABA in the brain.

Depression is normally alleviated by raising the levels of the neurotransmitters serotonin or dopamine.

For depression you could try several things such as; 5htp, St John's Wort, l-tryptophan, l-tyrosine, DLPA. Also make sure your vitamin D levels are not too low as vitamin D and magnesium tend to be the ones that are deficient in people in the West. Low vitamin D levels can really affect your mood.

BouncyBabe98 · 01/06/2014 15:31

Thanks. Am not really keen on taking anything - prescribed or other as I am thinking of trying for baby number 2 and don't want to take anything that I would have to stop when pregnant. I was on Citralopram before I got pregnant and had to come off it when I was pregnant and I think it really messed me up!

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linkery · 01/06/2014 15:33

Andrew Marshall self help books?

teacupnic · 01/06/2014 15:53

This may seem like an odd question, but if you have been suffering with this for a long time, do you have any ideas what is behind your anxiety and depression? Not everyone does, but you may have a feeling.

The reason I ask is there may be specific books, treatments etc that might work best depending on what your difficulties are.

The previous posters have some great suggestions so far - You could also look into meditation/mindfulness or specific self help directed towards a particular issue.

You mention not wanting to go to counselling - there are other forms of talk therapy to investigate, it's worth taking a look if you are interested at all. CBT or a Solutions Focussed approach can be very diffrent to counselling.

twentyten · 01/06/2014 15:56

Have you had a look at mindfulness? Lots of good resources on line etc. try headspace app- free trial and very good.

Seabright · 01/06/2014 22:32

I'm trying St John's Wort; anyone else tried that?

SugarMouse1 · 02/06/2014 03:33

Exercise

Keeping a pet

Lweji · 02/06/2014 03:47

I'd second CBT, if you haven't had it before.

But keeping a healthy lifestyle, with balanced nutrition, exercise, outdoor activities and being around people should help.
For the anxiety you can also practice relaxation techniques.

linkery · 02/06/2014 07:47

Can I ask why you do not really want to talk?

If there is something underlying it all, it is my inexperienced opinion, that it needs to be told to someone, whoever that someone might be.

qumquat · 21/06/2014 21:03

You can take citalopram when you are pregnant. I did, couldn't have coped without it! Diet and exercise can help, 'potatoes not Prozac' is a good book dealing with diet

gatewalker · 21/06/2014 21:07

BouncyBabe - If you don't want to talk, then I don't think you're likely to find something that really works.

Sillylass79 · 21/06/2014 22:58

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allisgood1 · 21/06/2014 23:00

I actually found chiropractic b helpful and was able to stop my meds completely. Now I'm pregnant again and the anxiety has come back in full force so will have to do the drugs and wean all over again :(

Celestria · 22/06/2014 01:59

Sometimes when people are severely depressed they cant talk. Meds are the initial help, to aid those in becoming comfortable enough to talk.

When we are in front of friends and family, it can be too easy to shut down and not talk, because you dont want to burden them, dont want to take up their time, dont want to be vulnerable, dont want to be judged...lots of reasons.

A counsellor is different. They chose a career in counselling because they want to help. They want to hear what you have to say. They dont care about judging, they arent worried about time, they are used to vulnerability. They want you to come for your session and rant, moan, cry, get angry, laugh, joke and any other emotion that you feel. Thats what makes them so invaluable.

Talk therapy helps. If it doesnt, you have the wrong counsellor so get a new one.I'd recommend it above anything else.

Aside from that. For milld to moderate depression you can do things that help yourself. For severe, then it is antidepressants, in the beginning.

For mild to moderate:

Challenge your thoughts. Understand that thoughts are just thoughts. you could sit there and think, hitler was a saint. Its a thought. It doesnt have to be logical, it doesnt have to make sense. Its a thought. But if you acknowledge that thought, write it down. Become an observer to your thoughts and not a slave, you can start to look at them properly. Is there any evidence to back up the thought? If someone else was having your thoughts and told you, what would you think, how would you advise? Take every thought and question it. Its the only way to learn a healthier way of thinking.

For example. John went for a promotion. He didnt get it, his best mate jack did. John thought he hadnt tried hard enough. That his boss mustnt like him. That he will never progress and in old age will not have a decent pension.

Then john learned to challenge his thoughts. He didnt get the promotion. Its healthy to feel disappointment. Who wouldnt? But when he thought about it logically he noted that jack had been there longer. That jack knew the skills needed for the promotion more than he did. That his boss had given him a raise at his appraisal. So really, his thoughts had no real evidence behind them. Instead they were irrational and he was catastrophising. So he congratulated jack and accepted he was disappointed but it didnt fester.

Exercise. Its proven to be as effective as an anti depressant. get out there. Walk. Whats going to happen to you? If you are afraid to, then the only way to not be afraid, is to do it and learn that after all, there was nothing to be afraid of.

Gratitude. We are all grateful for our kids. Our house and partners. But what about the small stuff? That bus driver that let you on for free? That cute puppy you bumped into that made you smile? That flower that caught your eye? That dinner that turned out better than you expected? Its so easy to forget the small stuff that made us momentarily smile. Each night before bed, remind yourself of them and go to sleep feeling positive.

Stop being so hard on yourself. There are enough people out there that will be hard on you for you. When you are beating yourself up, imagine you are facing a friend doing the same. What would you say? What would you do? Go to a mirror and look in it. Really look. And dont say to yourself, oh i look a state, i havent done my make up, i weigh too much. Smile at yourself and say, i love what i see. We only judge ourselves because of how we think others will. Let them, dont waste your time, helping them.

Learn to put yourself first. Yes we have kids, yes we have family and yes we have partners. But none of them will actually thank us for putting them first to the point we get ill. What makes you happy? A trip to the gym? A movie? A song? Pictures on the net? A nice bath? A bunch of flowers? A book? Being creative? Whatever it is, stop not doing it because you feel guilty because the washing needs done. We only get one life and the washing will wait. It all gets done in the end. Its not selfish to nurture yourself. Its selfish to sacrifice yourself for others, because you want their approval.

30 day challenges. Have you always wanted to learn a language? Maybe you want to floss every day? Or take the dog for a walk. Doesnt matter how big or small it is, pick one challenge and do it for thirty days. Why thirty days? Because thats the minimum it takes for a forced action to become a habit. And its an achievement.

Affirmations. Go to your mirror. Tell yourself that you are worth something. That you are worth loving. And tell yourself it in the evening to the mirror. To the mirror in the morning. The same one over and over for thirty days.

Mostly, accept what you have. An illness. A horrible, debiliating, scary illness. But one that you can help cure. You just have to realise it.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 22/06/2014 11:53

I have struggled with depression for years - looking back, I was depressed by the time I was 14. I have had antidepressants, 2.5 years of group psychotherapy, and most recently I have been having Cognitive Behavioural Therapy.

I have found the CBT to be very useful indeed, and dh, my therapist and I myself can all see a lot of improvement over the 3 months I've been going.

However, I see that you find the talking therapies difficult, BouncyBabe, so I wonder if you have considered trying CBT self-help books? I have CBT For Dummies, and the workbook that goes with it (but haven't really made much of a start with it yet), but the reviews I read were good.

I don't know if using a self help book is going to be as effective as doing the therapy in person, with a trained therapist, but I can't see why it wouldn't be helpful - and any improvement is a bonus, imo.

I also have a book called 'The Mindful Way Through Depression' - mindfulness is another form of therapy that my therapist uses - she seems to mix and match from the therapies she is trained in, to give each client a personalised therapy - so maybe you could read this book too, and see what resonates for you, and what you could use alongside CBT self help.

There are also some good tools online - I will have to try to remember the ones my therapist has recommended, and if I can recall them, I will post links for you here.

I second what others have said - looking after yourself is helpful - a good diet - good protein, healthy carbs, vitamins and minerals etc - lots of fresh fruit and veg, exercise and rest are important too. But I know how hard it is to want to look after yourself that way when you are depressed - it seems like too much work, and I know that I don't like myself enough to consider myself 'worth' that effort. But I am learning to ignore the harsh inner critic who says that stuff.

andthenthereweretwo · 28/06/2014 21:49

Occupational therapy-a practical approach to your difficulties. Very useful in depression/anxiety.

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