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Saw a clinical psychologist yesterday. Is it normal to feel this upset?

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ch111 · 18/06/2013 09:59

Sorry in advance for the length of this. I tried to make it as brief as possible.

I'm 22. I went to see my GP about a year ago with anxiety problems and was referred to the IAPT counselling service. The lady I spoke to there was lovely, but after we spoke she said she would like to refer me to clinical psychology because they would be more able to deal with my problems and I would be able to have an indefinite number of sessions rather than just 6. I'd written on the form they gave me that I had problems with intimacy due to bad experiences as a child, and we talked about this and it was one of the things she wrote on the referral to the psychologist. I also told her that I was having problems with domestic violence and she wrote that as well and told me she would get a local organisation to call me and help me with that (which she did).

Fast forward 6 months or so and my psychology referral has come through. I don't know what I was expecting, but my first impressions were that the woman I saw never smiled at me. Not when she introduced herself, or when she was asking me questions. There was no introduction or "this is what we'll be doing" sort of thing, she got started asking me things very quickly. She asked me "So you were sexually abused by your father, how quickly did that become penetrative?", I said it didn't and she seemed surprised. She wanted to know how old I was, how often it was, when it stopped and why, why didn't I tell anyone. I understand that these are things I need to discuss but I wasn't prepared for that at an initial "evaluation". She asked them very bluntly, and then sat in silence for a few seconds after while she wrote stuff down or just stared into the distance. It was very difficult for me not to just get up and walk out. I couldn't look her in the eyes. I really felt like I was being somehow judged or evaluated. She also asked about my teenage boyfriend and whether I had sex. I said yes once but I didn't want to, and she said "So you are able to be penetrated. Do you have sex with your current partner?" I said no and she said "Well how do you relieve him?" I said I don't really, I wanted to escape out of the open window at this point, and she said some comment along the lines of "Three and a half years, that's a long time [to be with someone without having sex]". She also said "Oh I forgot to ask, do you masturbate?" in the way you'd ask "Do you watch Eastenders" or something. No "I know this is a difficult subject" or "I'm sorry I have to ask this" or even a smile to make me feel comfortable.

One of the things she suggested was that I go to a "sex workshop" for "getting to know your body" and said that this might sort out the relationship problems. She said "You're a very closed off person, you won't let him in both physically and emotionally... in a way I can't really blame him [for being violent]... when we see cases of domestic abuse we have to also look at the woman and what she might be doing".

I read this as "he's doing this to you because you're not giving him sex, if you sort that out then it will stop". Maybe that's wrong, but it's the impression I got, and it's confused me because the IAPT counsellor I saw, and the other service she referred me to, were both very much "it's never your fault, there's no excuse, he is the one to blame entirely". But this woman is a consultant psychologist, she must know what she's talking about?

I left feeling awful, guilty and stupid. I couldn't focus on anything or sleep properly last night because I was worrying about what she'd said. I really, really don't want to go back but I don't want to give up now after waiting so long to get to this point. They say it has to get worse before it gets better, but am I right to feel so upset, or is this all part of the process of getting better?

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kotinka · 18/06/2013 10:15

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jessjessjess · 18/06/2013 10:17

She sounds like an ill-informed cow. Someone similar put me off therapy for years - don't let her do the same to you.

Personally I've had better luck with a private therapist on a sliding scale. You can find some fairly cheap ones and it means you don't have to wait months to see someone.

Coro · 18/06/2013 10:18

Hi, I didn't want to read and run.
It sounds as of the psychologist you saw has no actual comprehension of the emotions connected to what has happened and is following some kind of flow chart!

I'm not sure what I can suggest to help. I had a similar experience myself when taking my ds to see a psychologist for an initial assessment. it started ok although without smiles, when they tried to talk to my articulate, chatty boy about his not so DF, he hid under a chair with his coat over his head!! It was decided my anxiety was causing his extreme behaviour and I needed to sort myself out first as he was fine! A lot has come out since and he now has therapeutic support via a different avenue who are prepared to look in front of them not through the eyes of a text book.
Hang in there and keep searching for the right support. Don't be dis heartened, you know that DV is not acceptable.
Hugs.

LemonPeculiarJones · 18/06/2013 10:19

Make a complaint. She is not doing her job properly.

Can you ask for someone else?

WotchOotErAPolis · 18/06/2013 10:20

Good grief that's awful! Is there a local counselling service you could use? We have a council sponsored service that you can use [for free if you really need it]

ch111 · 18/06/2013 10:29

Thanks for the replies. I've thought about asking for someone else but I'm worried that they'll give me a man, which would be equally difficult for me, or that I'm being oversensitive, or that this is all just part of her "evaluation" of me.

I'm never normally the type of person to criticise doctors etc and if someone is a medical professional I tend to trust them. The fact that she is the consultant in charge of the whole department makes me feel so stupid for feeling upset by it.

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jessjessjess · 18/06/2013 14:38

I used to think that about men but have found my male therapist is actually brilliant.

working9while5 · 18/06/2013 14:39

This is disgraceful.

Ask for someone else. I had a man and thought it would be a huge issue but actually it was quite healing in the sense he was very kind and very appropriate and it does sometimes help when you work through your issues and see you can trust a man despite your past experiences, it can be healing.

She really should be struck off if she is asking questions like that with no rapport or empathy. It makes me so mad!

Dumbledoresgirl · 18/06/2013 14:48

That sounds awful. I had a similar experience once - I saw a psychologist about a phobia - emetophobia (fear of vomiting). It isn't exactly unheard of. I believe it is one of the top 5 phobias in the country. The psychologist treated me with the same bluntness, lack of empathy, and total lack of understanding as you experienced. I never went back. Hey, I would rather cope with the phobia (which I do) than put myself through that level of derision again.

But for you, it is not right that should carry on as you are. I don't know what you should do, but I wish you every success.

Oh and btw, my husband went longer than 3 years without sex (another story). He never once became violent or unreasonable. Your psychologist is wrong about that.

PenelopePipPop · 18/06/2013 15:09

"am I right to feel so upset, or is this all part of the process of getting better?"

You are right to feel how you feel. How you handle it could be right or wrong (going back to the service and graffiti-ing 'X is an ignorant cow-bag' over the door' would be wrong for example although I had a client who did this - I used to be a mental health advocate not a clin psych btw) but how you feel is fine.

Just ask for someone else. As people have said above if you can be open-minded about gender.

You might be a very closed off person or it might be that you felt understandably defensive in a clinical setting where someone asked you a lot of very personal questions without first making you feel safe. Maybe she encounters a lot of very 'closed-off' clients and the key variable is her not them...

LemonPeculiarJones · 18/06/2013 19:50

Also it might help to chat to someone involved with PALS, who help people who are using nhs services and need help or want to complain:

PALS

lageo · 18/06/2013 20:19

That sounds like an awful experience and I am so sorry that was your first introduction to therapy. I am a Clinical Psychologist and that certainly would not be how I (or any of my colleagues) would conduct a session. The first meeting should involve both of you discussing and agreeing about the pertinent issues for you and planning how to address those issues. It should be a collaborative process, not a torturous interrogation. It is true that in therapy, it can feel like things get worse before they get better and it is important to see the process through. But it is also true that sometimes personalities or styles just don't work well together and like all professions, some Psychologists are better than others.

Do you feel that you could discuss with her how you felt and your concerns? All Psychologists should be open to discussing such concerns and any reluctance from her to do that would worry me. Just because she is an "experienced Clinical Psychologist" doesn't mean your worries aren't valid. I am not based in the UK but here it's a similar system and if a client asked to be assigned to another colleague for valid reasons, that would happen without any issue instead of being placed back on a waiting list.

Picturepuncture · 18/06/2013 20:24

Sounds horrible OP.

I'm in the process of similar counselling. And while it isn't 'nice' or terribly 'comforting' at the moment it is a million miles away from what you are experiencing. I'd ask for a change of person ASAP.

BexleyFemale777 · 21/06/2013 06:42

Counselling is often done by some one who has no actual experience of sexual trauma and they often use textbook phrases that can be very cruel to the person having counselling as in this poor lady. What was said to her was cruel and wrong.

I myself suffered a serious sexual assault and had a severe internal injury and had to go to hospital theatre. I had a breakdown and eventually ended up in the hands of Oxleas NHS. At no time have Oxleas NHS shown me any genuine support or care, it is as though they are oblivious that mature women can be sexually assaulted and traumatized.

This poor lady needed a kind caring counsellor and all she got a verbal insults and cruelty. I met a 2 clinical Psychologist. The first was very nice but the second one was a monster and verbally cruel beyond all human belief.

Cruelty and wickedness come form many staff in the Mental Health service and the worst are the doctors. The power they have over you is profound and the fear they can install in you is horrific.

But the most shocking thing of all is that once they have you in their claws they can 'misinterpret' anything and everything you say. They often write down incorrect things on their computers and believe me that can cause profound consequences.

Victims of sexual assault need care and understanding, but those like the doctors and staff of Oxleas NHS frighten you so much that you become more traumatized.

At this moment in time I have a complaint being investigated by the the Parlimentarty NHS Ombudsman.

I have been told by solicitors 'The Mental Health Service is very very powerful. They can do anything to you and get away with it.'

The poor lady who wrote the first comment on here will never forget her awful meeting. Neither will she get a 'genuine' apology.

Victims of sexual assault are patronized by Mental Health consultants within Oxleas NHS and the mental Health service in general. I regret ever telling anyone as it only made my life more painful by the verbal and physical cruelty of Oxleas staff.

I had a breakdown and all Oxleas NHS did was traumatize me more.

Come on David Evennett MP and CEO of Oxleas NHS Stephen Fern, pull your socks up and start listening to what is happening in the walls of locked up wards and also in so called counselling sessions of your own Oxleas NHS mental services.

I do hope the lady above who suffered trauma has now found a genuine and kind therapist.

changechangechange · 21/06/2013 07:08

I'm sorry you had that experience. Just chipping in to say my experience of seeing a Clin Psych was not like that at all.

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