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What could be different in mental health care, what helps, and what have you found to be useful reading?

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OwFriggingOw · 24/07/2012 20:32

First off - this is a thread inspired by another thread - not about another thread.

I am a lecturer who teaches mainly MH nursing students, but also Adult, Child and Learning Disability field nurses about MH, and also occasionally medical students. I have no agenda for this thread bar a genuine desire to listen, share ideas, and have an open discussion about what is helpful / less so. I worked in NHS MH for 13 odd years.

In case anyone links the other threads that inspired this thread - I have been comissioned to edit a book about people's experiences (service users and carers / family / friends) within MH services and with MH issues. NONE OF THE POSTS HERE WILL BE USED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM FOR THIS BOOK. You have my ABSOLUTE word on that. Similarly, NONE of the posts here will be used in any of my teaching.

My aim in starting this stems from several PM's and several on-thread comments about how this would be useful/ I hope it can be a helpful, supportive and productive meeting place for thoughts and ideas about what people have found helpful with regards MH care / services / support (statutory and non statutory) and what has been less helpful. Most importantly with regards the less helpful - what can be done differently?

And - beacuse I like books - maybe we can share reading ideas :)

Would it be helpful if I shared parts of my long thread from earlier regarding what I see as needed, without any other details from the thread?

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HelenMumsnet · 25/07/2012 13:09

Afternoon. We have no problem with this thread - it is an interesting discussion.

We're aware that it might be triggering/upsetting for some but we don't tend to delete for those reasons only (that would get us in a right mess!). Instead, we'd urge anyone who'd rather not see this thread to hide it.

As we hope most folks already know, we do, however, have a problem with posts that refer to/dissect another poster's situation or posting history. And we are likely to delete any posts of this sort when they come to our attention.

We also think that a general discussion about mental-health care is not the best place for one poster to seek or be given support. We think a separate thread is much the better option here - and we'd hope everyone on this thread would suggest that to anyone seeking individual support.

And, while we here, we also need to remind folks that personal attacks are against our Talk Guidelines.

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HelenMumsnet · 25/07/2012 15:38

Apols for interrupting, folks, but Daisee we have mailed you. Have you received our mail?

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OliviaLMumsnet · 26/07/2012 22:41

Hello all
Sorry that we have been a bit slow on the uptake in stepping in here.
In the meantime we would remind you that our guidelines do not prevent any one from posting in any topics or threads but that we ask our posters to maintain a civil tone with one another and that if there's one thing people can do with, it's some moral support
THANKS ALL

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HellenicGamesMumsnet · 27/07/2012 15:09

Hello. We thought it might help to clarify a few things.

First off, Ow is right to say we told her there was no need for us to verify her qualifications. That's because MN is not about giving "experts" a platform on which to "advise" others; it's about peer-to-peer support.

No one on Mumsnet has expert status - whatever their RL qualifications might be. And no MNer should view any other MNer as an "expert", whatever that "expert" might claim their qualifications to be - this is t'internet, after all, and there is always the risk that people are not at all that they claim to be.

As for this thread being potentially dangerous or triggering for those with MH issues who may be either posting or lurking, we do take the point. But we also agree with those who said that there are all sorts of threads on MN in all sorts of topics outside Mental Health that could be triggering - and, if we were to delete every thread that could possibly be triggering, we'd be in real trouble as a discussion board.

We do not agree that every person with MH issues is incapable of recognising that this is the internet - with all its risks, as well as all its wonderfulnesses. Nor do we agree that every person who posts/reads a Mental Health thread is necessarily more vulnerable/less capable of rational thought than people who are reading threads in other topics.

As ever, we welcome robust discussion - including posts that voice concern about the existence of the thread itself - but we won't be deleting this thread. We would really appreciate, though, if you could all stick to our Talk Guidelines and not post personal attacks.

We do, as always, though, draw everyone's attention to the note that appears at the top of every thread in our Mental Health topic: "Mumsnetters don't necessarily have the qualifications or experience to help if you're feeling seriously distressed or suicidal, and Mumsnet can't be held responsible for any advice given on the site. If you need help urgently, please see our mental health web guide which can point you to expert advice and support."

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HellenicGamesMumsnet · 27/07/2012 16:37

@amillionyears

Thank you for the clarification. So it is as I say.There is ,and cannot be definite verification of Ow. And people should beware.

Mumsnet,at the beginning of this thread and others,that part where it is written that MN has not checked the qualifications,experience or professional qualifications of anyone posting,and cannot be held responsible.....
on my computer and I suspect others,it comes up in quite feint print.A lot more feint than other words at the beginning.
I think it would be most helpful if that could be made to look a lot stronger,as I suspect most people do not even really see it.

To be clear, we're not saying people should beware of Ow - or anyone else. That's much too strong.

We're just saying that no one has expert status on MN. So there is no need for verification. That doesn't make her posts invalid - or anyone else's posts less valid.

We believe the font used for the Notes is the same across the site, amillionyears, but we will check.

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HellenicGamesMumsnet · 27/07/2012 17:06

@amillionyears

Thank you for going to check the font. On mine at least,it is much much less than the subject heading,actually everything up there.

I'm afraid I have to agree to disagree with you about being aware of Ow - or anyone else.
Everyone has to beware of everyone else,as you say that "there is always the risk that people are not at all what they claim to be"

That is indeed true, amillionyears, but, in the nicest possible way, that applies to you as much as it does to Ow.

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OliviaLMumsnet · 27/07/2012 18:12

Hello all
At the risk of going virtually hoarse I am going to post ANOTHER reminder of our guidelines and in the spirit of the Olympics ask you to play fair and be nice.

THANKS
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OlympiaMumsnet · 27/07/2012 19:14

I am NOT kidding around folks
Please play nice

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