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Mindfullness

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TheGruffalosbitch · 17/06/2012 21:15

Im looking into doing an online Mindfullness course to help me with anxiety. Has anyone done it, can you recommend an online course?

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TheGruffalosbitch · 18/06/2012 08:50

Anyone?

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Sparklingbrook · 18/06/2012 08:54

Sorry I haven't. but would be interested to hear about one. Smile

blouseenthusiast · 18/06/2012 08:55

Didn't want to leave this unanswered - have done a real-life mindfullness course and have the Kabat Zinn CDs - i think it's very good. Recommend the Kabat Zinn CDs - don't know if he also does an online course but you can do it from his book plus CDs.

Hebiegebies · 18/06/2012 08:58

Looked at this thread as my sister has just recommend me the books and CDs by Kabat Zinn. She has found them really helpful.

blouseenthusiast · 18/06/2012 09:00

If you can possibly do a real life course (Buddhist centres seem to do them most), it does help with the discipline you need!

daffydowndilly · 18/06/2012 12:57

I did a 'real life' 8 week course this spring for anxiety and it was very helpful to be able to ask questions, interact, and feel part of a 'community' (The particular one I found was NatuRelax). I would recommend doing something like that. To prepare we were asked to read Eckhart Tolle's books. The focus was around learning to do simple yoga practices, breathing exercises and meditation, which involves being disciplined and making this part of your daily routine. But also asking lifestyle questions and answers - on eating and walking mindfully, how to change your lifestyle, how to not focus on unimportant things, how to stay in the moment, how to respond not react, how to not focus on the past/future/things you can't control. I suppose the only 'downside' is that I can see the benefit of doing such a course at least twice, depending on where you are at the moment. For me, I gained a lot out of it, in fact it helped me make changes in my life that I needed, but I am in no way practicing mindfulness properly. But am aware of it and get comfort from it. The one thing I got out it the most was that the teacher (a mental health nurse that was specialising in yoga, mindfulness and homeopathy) told me that people with anxiety and depression need to make changes in their lives if they want to get better, you can do all the therapy and courses you want but without changing the 'causes' of your issues, nothing will be different. And she was so very right.

TheGruffalosbitch · 18/06/2012 14:04

My problem is I don't know what the causes are. I don't seem to have any triggers which makes CBT really difficult for me

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blouseenthusiast · 18/06/2012 15:30

I found mindfulness was useful for controlling anxiety even without identifying changes or indeed making them, so I would recommend it anyway.

madasa · 18/06/2012 15:46

Hi The gruffalo
I started this one www.bemindfulonline.com (Sorry I don't know how to do links)
It is run by The Mental Health Foundation.
Have to say though that I have only done the first two sessions so cannot comment on how good it is but it has some good testiomonials and you can do it at your own pace.
This may be the kickstart I need to pick it up again...thanks

daffydowndilly · 18/06/2012 15:59

I didn't know what my causes were, until after I made the changes and then it was like a bomb dropped, but it was being more focused on my own well-being, reactions and behaviour that helped me to finally want and make changes in my life.

Mindfulness is definitely good for controlling anxiety and being more aware of yourself.

kizzie · 18/06/2012 16:15

Daffydowndilly did you do your course recently. Ive had a look on that website but last date is 2009. Just wondered if she was still running them

tigercametotea · 18/06/2012 16:26

I am going to share my experience of this because I don't think the general public are often made aware that for some people, meditation can trigger more anxiety rather than reduce it.

I was part of a Uni's Mindfulness research participation group, instructed by the Psychology professor on how to practice mindfulness meditation daily, periodically had them put electrodes on a skull cap on my head, did computer testing, the whole lot.

Then halfway through the stint (it was supposed to take about six months in total I think), I developed my first full-blown panic attack one weekday night, unexpectedly - and it was after I had practised a session of the Mindfulness meditation I was instructed to perform on a daily basis. It was dead scary for me, I had no idea what it was at the time, all I knew was I just had this sensation of andrenaline racing up and down my spine constantly and my heart was pounding and everytime I dozed off in bed I would be startled awake with loud clap sounds that were all in my head because no one else heard then (I later found out these were auditory hallucinations triggered by anxiety). I basically could not sleep at all like that, for 2 whole weeks. I was a total wreck, struggled to cope daily, friend and husband helped me out with the school runs.

All the while I was feeling so exasperated because I just did not know what was wrong with me, and the doctors I saw couldn't tell me why this just came about either, all they did was run loads of tests on my blood, heart, lungs, thyroid, found everythinh was normal. Eventually I was told this was probably anxiety related even though I had not been going through any stressful situation back then which could have caused it.

I was put on Citalopram which to be honest did nothing noticeable for my anxiety. However I was very lucky. I had an ACT (Acceptance and Commitment thetapy) workbook lying around at home which I bought ages ago to try and self treat my phobias. I made myself do all the mental exercises in it and it actually helped a lot. I've always had underlying anxiety but never became full blown panic attacks. I came across this article about a year after that, and it seemed to explain somewhat the reasons behind what happened to me. www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2003/02/buddhist_retreat.html Looking back, I think the Mindfulness exercises I did before my first full blown attack sort of brought it all out to the fore. Provoked more anxiety, paradoxically.

Funny enough, ACT really seems to be an offshoot of Mindfulness practice. But it's quite different from what I was instructed with by the Uni prof during the study in that it is more than just sitting there quietly being aware of one's feelings. It just helped me deal with my panic attacks and anxiety much more effectively. I stopped the Citalopram after a month because it was giving me horrible gastric problems, but found I didn't need it anymore by just using the ACT techniques.

I would personally recommend ACT for anxiety myself. I tried to find an ACT practitioner in my area but could not find one. Apparently its a newer treatment than CBT so only in America is it more known... In England not so many would do it. But I feel right now, a practitioner would be a plus but not absolutely necessary. It's been a while since I've had any more panic attacks. And I still am not sure entirely why ACT techniques worked for me but the Mindfulness meditation I was taught did not...

I am aware that I might be sort of the odd one out for saying this. Meditation is good for many people. Just unfortunately I suffered bad results from one form of it.

daffydowndilly · 18/06/2012 16:42

Kizzie I did the course this year, ending in March. She is definitely still running them, as she was in touch recently.

TheGruffalosbitch · 18/06/2012 16:45

Thanks for the info tiger. I'm in a bad place with my anxiety at the moment due to medication change. To be honest I don't think it could get much worse so I'm going to give it a try x

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TheGruffalosbitch · 18/06/2012 16:47

Be mindful online is run by a mental health charity x

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chickydoo · 18/06/2012 16:57

Hi
Meditation is not for everyone. It can bring many many deep things to the surface.
It is really important to start very simply in a safe and protective environment. CD's may be good for some people, but meditation is kind of prescriptive. In other words one technique may not be right for all.
If you want to find a local teacher or class or simply someone to talk to about it you can phone the British Wheel of Yoga or go on to their website.
www.bwy.org
There are many courses and teachers they can put you in touch with, they also have some literature on meditation they may send you.
Just to confirm mindfulness is meditation by another name.
Pm me if you want any more info

kizzie · 19/06/2012 19:52

Thanks daffydowndilly

kizzie · 19/06/2012 19:55

Im really interested to hear about the bad effects from meditation/mindfulness.
Is that mainly from the 'deeper' exercises?
The ones i have been looking into/reading about are really quite basic. Breathing / hyper awareness of surroundings to stop negative thoughts etc.

Do they tend to be ok?

Eurostar · 19/06/2012 20:07

bemindful is expensive at £60 I think. I found Mindfulness for Dummies a good book.

For people who suffer from anxiety and are hypervigilant for signs that they go on to misinterpret it is probably better to learn it in conjunction with a practitioner or you might just end up being aware of feelings etc and panic about them, some practitioners offer telephone if you can't find anyone in your area.

Tiger - it sounds like your course wasn't taught very well? Mindfulness that has been developed for mental health is certainly not about sitting quietly, it is indeed much closer to ACT.

tigercametotea · 19/06/2012 20:27

Well I should not be exposing any identities here about the professor who taught it, but he actually runs a separate business outside of Uni teaching Mindfulness meditation and is quite a respected figure in his field of research. He has also appeared in the news, writes books and many published works. Mindfulness research is like his niche I think. It is ongoing, for years, and he has done quite a few so far, still has some in progress. He dropped me from the research like a hot potato after what happened to me lol... He said that SSRIs would interfere with the results of the electrode readings. And did not even tell me that it was the meditation that could have caused it. I had to gradually find out for myself after recovering from that episode...

tigercametotea · 19/06/2012 21:03

What he taught (over a few half hour group sessions) was really much more basic than ACT. And that's where I think it went wrong. I found the ACT book's Cognitive Defusion techniques really helpful with those early panic attack symptoms. He did not teach that. If he did it would have helped me a lot in bot letting the panic attack get to full blown stage. There were many other defusion techniques taught in the ACT book which were absolutely invaluable as well, which were never covered in the professor's Mindfulness group sessions. It's one thing to sit and be aware, another to defuse troublesome thoughts which lead to panic which don't go away that easily. I don't think Mindfulness is bad at all, but I think it's impossible to know what can happen until you've tried it. I for instance, was never aware of such high levels of anxiety I possessed until I did them...

I know the study specified that participants must have no mental illness history. Well I never had any. That's why I applied for it and was accepted. Until I did that study...

It has been a life changing experience for me following that panic attack nightmare.

Moomenny · 22/06/2012 07:55

Mindfulness isn't meditation unless it's being taught with meditation exercises.mindfulness isn't all sitting and breathing,it's remaining in the here and now and accepting with gentle curiosity -there is no correct way or bad way of being mindful unlike my experiences with meditation.

I completed a 3month intense course on mindfulness (4 hrs a week) and it was fantastic for my anxiety.

I can say my life has utterly changed after years of anxiety,depression and addiction.

I would recommend Jon kabat-zinn-he's the main man! (he has some YouTube vids) and see if it's your 'thing' ,I do feel you need to attend a course rather than reading a book to get the full benefit.

kizzie · 22/06/2012 09:07

Moomenny was your course run through a particular organisation?

Moomenny · 22/06/2012 09:22

Yes kizzie,it was.It was also the first mindfulness trial for this particular organisation and hopefully,they will roll it out across the uk now.They received excellent feedback from all participants Smile

There are courses out there with private mindfulness practitioners but they can be on the pricey side.

I'd have a google and see what's in your area,I can't recommend it enough Smile

kizzie · 22/06/2012 21:31

lovely thanks - will have a look locally