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I have no confidence and no real friends

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teaorcoffee · 23/02/2006 12:57

Can anyone advise me. Is this a symptom of depression? I find social situations difficult, but I'm tryig to get out and meet new people. I just seem to keep my distance as I fear rejection and I don't want to smother people. In bed at night I replay conversations etc and sometimes end up in tears. I really don't like myself, but I need to sort this out for my kids' sake. Please help.

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KBear · 24/02/2006 13:04

DG - You always come across as confident on here and I didn't realise you were really a lonely mum! I'm glad you've changed your name though.

Bensonbluebird · 24/02/2006 13:22

Please don't feel so bad about yourself, I think most people want to be liked and try to appear more confident than we are, and I'm pretty sure most of us do that replaying a conversation thing. I often find with toddler groups that everyone is so knackered and distracted that conversations are often disrupted or trail off, but it doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with you!

So much changes when you have kids and old friends who don't have them only want to hear so much about nappies and will never really be able to understand just how absorbing it is or how tired you are, so it's easy for them to drift away. But it is such a good opportunity to meet new people too. I felt when I had a baby that I suddenly had so much in common with people (I'm still amazed though about coming across other groups of mums having exactly the same conversations as go on at my toddler group). I'm quite a shy, unforthcoming person myself and I find small talk difficult, so it was quite a relief to me to always be able to fall back on talking about kids. There are people now who I see quite regularly to chat to but don't really know anything about bar the habits of thier children. There are others though who I have discovered something more in common with.

Persist, as others say, having a role does help. And as others say, coming out with 'i'm so lonely' will probably scare people off, but, asking for advice about smaller things is a good way to draw people in.

That was a bit of a blurt, but I do feel I know something about this too.

teaorcoffee · 24/02/2006 13:23

Children almost 3 and almost 1. My mum works full time and so does dh. Thanks for your help. I need as many ideas as poss.

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Twiglett · 24/02/2006 13:33

I think I'm pretty confident and i'm lucky that I have some good friends.

I have found it much easier to make new friends through the children .. every group you go to there is invariably one or two people who you might just click with

I think the trick is to .. show interest in the children .. then conversations start normally

Be interested in them

Like them .. if you don't like them but want them to like you it comes across as false .. so just smile and be polite .. if you actually like them see if they fancy a coffee or park date some day..

but do it slowly .. spend a few sessions just being there and being open to new experiences

smile at people .. say hello .. maybe comment on their child

offer help if it is obvious it is needed .. ie for you I would assume someone watching your 1 year old whilst you took your 3 year old to the toilet would be helpful .. offer to do it .. if they say its ok don't push

can't think what else to suggest

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I would say that self-analysing is probably your worst problem .. really people don't think twice about conversations they've had unless something truly bizarre was said

.. good luck

HTH in some small way

brightstar1 · 24/02/2006 13:34

know how you feel tea or coffee.
Can't help you much because i'm the same.
i find quite easy to start a convo with someone but as soon as they get too friendly i back off and i don't know why!
I really want a good friend but won't let anyone get to know me.I worry too much about what they think of me & how i do things & my house & my clothes!!
sounds pathetic doesn't it but i guess it all comes down to confidence.

teaorcoffee · 24/02/2006 13:46

Thanks for these tips. It's also helpful to know that others are struggling too- it's not just me. I suppose my underlying fear too is that my kids will end up like me.

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brightstar1 · 24/02/2006 13:57

I worry about the kids too,although 2 older ones do loads out of school & have loads of friends.
My 4yr old has missed out a bit on social activities (pre school)apart from mixing with other siblings at brothers clubs etc.
funny enough only said to him at lunch time that we may join the gym club to get him out more,he didn't like the idea much but know he will love it once we're there!

podkin · 24/02/2006 14:02

Gosh there are a lot of self conscious people around. I have been chronically shy all of my life. I was terrible when I was a child. I used to avoid peoples gaze and try and hide myself away in social situations as I hated it so much and used to blush terribly. In my twenties and early thirties I had a job which meant I had to be sociable. I spent my days being 'nice' to people and eventually realised that you can put on a show. My boss was a great source of inspiration - he described himself as an 'introvert extrovert'. He was a marvellous ambassador for the charity we worked for, was excellent at public speaking, but some days would come into the office, grunt at me and go in his room and shut the door. No wonder I got on so well with him ! This is a bit long winded but what I am trying to say is try a bit of acting ! Play the confident sociable person and you will eventually realise that you can do it regardless of how you feel inside. I can now be chatty and friendly with someone even if I feel like shit. Although talking always makes you feel better anyway - it's amazing how many insecure people there are out there who want to share their own problems...

I think others on this thread have made a lot of brilliant points far better than me, so take heed, take things slowly and if you persevere, one day it will just 'click'...good luck !

KBear · 24/02/2006 14:07

So, teaorcoffee, you now need a plan (bossy kbear!).

Plan to do one small thing every day and slowly your confidence will improve and you will stop over analysing. We've all done that though so don't stress about it. I'm a fairly confident person but I've come out of a toddler group wondering if I talk too much or what so and so thought of me! Oh and MN meetups too!

So go to the library one day, toddler group another day, find out about other groups in your area Surestart?), your local sports centre might run a tumble tots kind of thing, call them - soon you'll be so busy and sociable you'll wonder why you worried. How about taking the plunge and do post for MNers in your area for a meet?

Keep us posted.

teaorcoffee · 24/02/2006 14:08

Thanks again. I have tried acting but end up having to lie/exaggerate. do many people do this? Is it ok not to be yourself to make friends?

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mummytosteven · 24/02/2006 14:09

what do you mean by lying/exaggerating, out of interest. I wouldn't see it as a case of lying, but of not telling strangers all about your life/insecurities etc.

Twiglett · 24/02/2006 14:11

no problem in a little honesty ..but can tweak it to not look desparate

so if people ask about your friends say that you've just moved and are making new friends, or you've just given up work and are making new friends or that none of your friends have kids so its getting increasingly difficult to find points of similarity .. then turn the tables and ask them the same question back .. in a what about you? kind of way

teaorcoffee · 24/02/2006 14:13

I see your point, what I mean is if someone asks you a question like- do you keep in touch with people from work? Then I feel I have to pretend that I do otherwise I would appear strange.

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DumbledoresGirl · 24/02/2006 14:13

I think if you are not yourself, you will not click with the people you want to click with. You can't keep up a persona for ever. eventually you will want to be relaxed and yourself with the friends you have met and then your act will have to go.

I understand what Podkin means about acting confident, but I don't think you should lie about who you are. You gloss over the bad things, but don't try to be someone you are not.

Twiglett · 24/02/2006 14:14

do you keep in touch with people from work?

occasionally

Twiglett · 24/02/2006 14:14
teaorcoffee · 24/02/2006 14:15

Good idea Twiglett. I think we posted at same time.

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mummytosteven · 24/02/2006 14:16

I think that's a bit of a weird personal question - asking you about keeping in touch with people from work. I don't think there's anything wrong in saying something like - no, we've lost touch over the months/years, as I've got different priorities now if you're not in touch with people from work.

KBear · 24/02/2006 14:17

But TorC, no one would really ask you that! You're worrying about a conversation that probably won't happen. Just talk about the positives and a few small white lies won't hurt BUT big fat lies will. If it did crop up you could say "having two small children you just lose touch with people don't you."

Can I add too that once your children are in nursery you will see the same faces every day and will inevitably forge friendships. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

podkin · 24/02/2006 14:19

You don't have to lie, or exaggerate. If you are talking to someone, keep the spotlight off you and your life initially...ask them about themselves. As others have said people love to talk about themselves, even if you just ask where they are off on hols (cliche I know). It can be such an icebreaker to say something like 'where do you live ?' or 'I like your childs top/dress, where did you get it ?' Oh I've never been to that shop, where is it ?' etc etc. It can be soooo hard I know, but just keep trying. People do not remember most conversations so you can afford to make quite a few fluff ups to be honest.

keziah · 24/02/2006 14:19

Hi teaorcoffee I think of myself as quite confident but I always found mother and toddler torturous! You must be pretty confident to even venture in.
When I had my first child I spent a year with no friends at all and living in the middle of the countryside. It was awful.
Then we moved into the city and I started going to our local park. I went there every single day!
I gradually started to recognise people and maybe they got used to seeing me there.
I took things really slowly at first ie just smiling and saying hi for a few times and rather than inviting anyone to my house I would suggest meeting at the park. Its much less pressure. You could always take some cakes or biscuits.
My now best friend I met at the park. She forced her son to come over to play with mine so she could meet me. We have a laugh about it now especially as the boys never really became friends.
I think there are loads of reasons why people end up with few or no friends but it doesn't always mean there's something wrong with you.
After school all my friends went to uni and i didn't and i didn't make any new ones to replace them. I only started making new ones when i had my son and started the park plan!
Try not to be too introspective and hard on yourself. Take action. Thats how you can build your confidence.
I recommended Tony Robbins and his books unlimited power and awaken the giant within the other day on mumsnet. You could look at them on amazon. I found them very helpful.

teaorcoffee · 24/02/2006 14:24

That's a relief Podkin! Can I ask about this situation then. I met another mum at the local clinic and have seen her a few times. She is always talking about different friends she has and she did ask that question and I thought for a minute and gave her a name of someone I no longer keep in touch with as I only really saw them at work.

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teaorcoffee · 24/02/2006 14:28

Thanks keziah. I need to go now, but I'll come back later to see if there are any more ideas. Thanks to everyone. This is really helping me.

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Rhubarb · 26/02/2006 10:07

You've had some really good advice on here.

One other thing I would remember is that when you are talking to people, don't interrupt them and maintain eye contact with them so they feel you are really listening to them.

Start conversations with things such as

"That's a lovely dress your dd is wearing! Where did you get it?"
You can then go on about how you'd like to find some reasonably priced but good quality clothes for yours but it's so difficult etc, they then agree about kids clothes and before you know it you are empathising with each other about the state of the market for childrens clothes.

Empathy is the key. If you have a problem with one of your children, night waking or something, mention it to one of them and ask if they can suggest a way of dealing with it, mothers love dishing out advice, they love it when someone asks them for their opinion. When you see them the next week you can say "Oh I tried your suggestion! It really helped, thanks very much!" It's a sure fire way of getting people to like you!

If you look at any mum and tot group you will see another mother on her own, either she will be quiet like you, or a newbie who knows no-one. Strike up a conversation with these, they'll be eternally grateful that someone has made an effort.

As for the non-smilers, I win them over with politeness, I never stop smiling at them and I always say hello and goodbye and eventually they will return the smiles, they have to eventually!

Never tell anyone about how depressed or lonely you might be, people tend to give these kind of subjects a wide berth, they are for discussing only with people you know well. Stick to everyday situations and circumstances, be prepared to laugh at yourself, if you make a faux pass, acknowledge it and laugh at it, they'll laugh with you and it makes you seem more approachable and laid-back.

But above all, be prepared to listen - people love talking about themselves and they love a captive audience. Have a few lines prepared for when conversation runs dry, and be ready to move on so you are not just sat with the one person, you can go and play with your tot for a minute or help bring the drinks out, so you don't come across as under-confident or dependant on just one conversation.

Be yourself. I'll bet you have lots to say to people who really know you, shyness is a way of hiding yourself, so try to come out from the shyness and be proud of who you are!

Twiglett · 26/02/2006 10:29

spot on rhub