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Would anyone like to talk about loneliness?

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BehindtheBikeSheds · 12/05/2012 12:14

Very nervous about putting the words down, but would really like to talk about loneliness.

I am lucky enough to have a partner, but I can't make relationships with other people. I try to but it doesn't work. It has always been like this.

I have worked hard on making myself better company etc but nothing seems to work. I can see a future where when my partner is gone (we are not so young) I will be alone. The fear of the future and the pain and shame are overwhelming at times.

I would like to know if anyone else has ever felt this and how they deal with it.

If this would be better off on the relationships thread, or if this has all been said before, sorry in advance.

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madmouse · 12/05/2012 13:32

Do you know why you find relationships so difficult? Are you very shy? Can't imagine people could possibly like you? Badly hurt in the past?

BehindtheBikeSheds · 12/05/2012 14:21

Perhaps a mixture of all three. I'm good at the superficial level - finding something to say to a new person, focusing on them, etc - but as relationships develop, they always seem to go wrong.

Thank you for taking time to reply, I was worried about writing.

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madmouse · 12/05/2012 20:27

Are you afraid to give of yourself thinking the other person probably doesn't want you in their life?

Gumby · 12/05/2012 20:29

Do you have children?
I find it easier to make friends through them, so invited their friends round leads to opening a chat 'are you Frank's mum? Would he like to come & play' for example

MrsMuddyPuddles · 12/05/2012 20:49

How do things go wrong after the acquaintance stage?
And, yeah you're not the only one with friendship worries.

zookeeper · 12/05/2012 20:51

I joined a singing group and slowly made friends - a shared interest is the way to go

BehindtheBikeSheds · 13/05/2012 10:49

Thanks for replies
I think often, I become the 'spare part' in friendships. I don't contact people, months can go by without them contacting me, and I don't have anyone apart from my partner that I can share my real feelings with.

I am beginning to wonder whether I just expect too much - whether it would be better to keep my friendships at the acquaintance level. Zookeeper, I used to be a member of a singing group and enjoyed that.

It just leaves this awful black feeling of not being acceptable. I have recently lost two people very dear to me and wonder if bereavement makes it worse - it whips the covers off relationships, so to speak. You can't really go back after it.

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MrsMuddyPuddles · 13/05/2012 22:35

Why do you not contact people? I've lost several friendships/drifted apart because I was always contacting the other person, and it got old/I started to worry that they weren't that interested in maintaining a friendship or I started playing stupid 'when will they call me' games For me, it's more that I'll try to organize something, say a party, and only a few of the people invited will show up :( I've started giving up on trying to arrange things with more than one person at a time because of this.

Bereavement quite possibly could be affecting things for you; would you consider counciling about this?

BehindtheBikeSheds · 14/05/2012 07:47

Thanks Mrs Puddles. I am having counselling - what I'm finding out isn't good, though. My counselling just confirms that relationships are difficult and some people will always be more lonely than others.
I feel for you, Puddles. It's hard not to mind. I don't know what the solutions are.
I guess as well this thread is a bit depressing for most people, sorry.

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MrsMuddyPuddles · 14/05/2012 12:05

I feel for you, too, Behind the bike shed :( I think this whole board would be depressing for some people, so try not to let that stop you, no need to appologise ;)

They say anything worth doing will be difficult... I haven't managed to sort councelling out for myself in recent years yet Blush

BehindtheBikeSheds · 15/05/2012 21:31

Why not, Puddles?
What do you think could help you to sort it out? Money, time, thinking you're worth it?

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MrsMuddyPuddles · 16/05/2012 06:51

About 2 weeks ago now, I read something (in a chick-lit book that I'd read before) that triggered incredibly intense, terrifying emotions and lead to me to that scary, suicidal place again . I've been waiting until this has passed and I'm a bit more settled in myself before "going there" again: I want to look at these thoughts and emotions when I'm strong enough to look them in the eye rather than take another look and promptly jump off a bridge

This is in part because when I asked about councelling at my GP's, she said she'd put me on a list but that she "wasn't comfortable" with me getting that sort of treatment right away, but that by the time the waiting list was up, she felt I'd be ready for it. (And even before this current depressive episode (started in Oct-ish if not before, so NOT caused by this "episode"!), it was plain old laziness/thinking things were basically sorted from the last time I went through counciling. Grin )

I dunno, maybe I'm being daft and it's always going to affect me this badly? though why someone's behaviour only sounded familiar when I read that book previously and positively terrified me this time around... unless it's just depression lieing again?

BehindtheBikeSheds · 17/05/2012 05:47

Could you not negotiate a half-way house with counsellor - that initially you won't go 'too deep', you'll just 'be with them' - so you can build up your trust etc?

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MrsMuddyPuddles · 18/05/2012 16:38

I did something like that previously when I had councelling Blush it took me about a year to get to the real serious stuff, then I moved areas before I got it sorted so I feel like I need to just jump right in, when I start.

But, anyway, talking about/fixing me isn't talking about lonliness :o (thanks though!)

Have you been feeling less alone this week?

springydaffs · 19/05/2012 19:01

Hey OP, I know how you feel. I'm having a bad day on that front

I wonder if it's shame tbh. Like a deep shame/rejection that you (we) aren't worthwhile, that there's something wrong with us. it's tosh, mind. really, it really is.

In my dreams, I do wish I could find a community that is, well, not judgemental. I have found a group - a depression support group - that somehow has this astonishing ability to just accept one another as we are . It is a great relief - though it is not necessarily a social group (we do have socials but people are quite poorly sometimes and can't get the social side sparked up...). What it does, being in a community that just accepts , is that it makes one less self-conscious (self-critical), and therefore who we are can come out with no fanfare; it isn't a deal. It's great, actually.

where are they today??

I find that I am gravitating much more towards people like this ie people who have suffered enough a bit that they don't cast the first stone iyswim. They know that people need to give them some slack, be not so quick to make a judgement, or a bar that is set at a particular place that must be jumped or watch out!; so they give others slack. I find that I am currently unable to take the 'normal' (normal! what's fucking normal when it's at home??) rough and tumble of 'normal' social interaction.

Here's the thing: (if I may just ramble on this Bad Day): there is such a fear/risk to intimacy and it could be that, as intimacy looms, we panic. Rabbit/headlights. I know that I have, parituclarly in primary years, been judged and 'categorised' to a relentless degree. I recently became, briefly, quite deeply involved with some people who, when I met them, immediately gave me a critique of what they thought of me. It was not welcome and I found it alarming! They were quite complementary but it just seemed bizarre to me. I don't meet people and think 'hmm you're blah and blah and blah' - it doesn't occur to me. It's judging really: ah yes, you belong in that box. (ridiculous! I may be in one box one day but in an entirely different box another. Human beings are complex, no? varied!).

I find all the categorising a bit erm claustrophobic if I'm honest fuck off with your judgements and your categorising. But maybe that's just me - and maybe that's just me at the moment . Things are not good for me right now - as they very probably aren't for you BikeSheds re bereavement (knocks the stuffing out of you) - and that can magnify things re underlying anxieties - particularly social anxieties - can take on giant, distorted , proportions.

You've managed to establish a close relationship with one person - hats off to you, it's no mean feat! - so you're not entirely incapable of intimacy. You can make a relationship work. Social relationships are far harder to pin down though - you can sulk with your partner but you can't (necessarily) sulk with a friend...

btw do stop apologising for your thread. You're obviously feeling very ashamed of what you perceive as appalling social failure and think it's going to be bringing everybody down. You talk as if loneliness isn't the scourge of the modern age and huge swathes of people groan under it! Any number of people will read your OP and recognise it. It's the top taboo subject these days, which hardly helps eh?

resists apologising for long and rambling post Wink

BehindtheBikeSheds · 27/06/2012 21:12

Puddles and Daffs (an appropriate combination!) firstly sorry I have not replied sooner to this thread. It is symptomatic of my problem - I felt a bit ashamed of 'outing' myself and so didn't dare look at it again until now. Which was not very constructive of me. If either of you are still there - thank you for your kind and thoughtful replies.

How are you both now?

Daffs, your support group sounds wonderful, I would like to find something like that. Agree that social relationships (for me, anyway) can be even tricker to define than romantic ones. I do feel it's the 'new taboo'.

Sometimes the loneliness is so deep, it's like a physical pain. I am trying to deal with it at the moment by 'not minding' but it's impossible to do for any long period of time.

Puddles I would really think about returning to the counselling if you can.

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wheniwishuponastar · 27/06/2012 21:19

Does your partner have friends?

BehindtheBikeSheds · 27/06/2012 21:30

He has a few, but is very happy to keep them low key. He sees this as just 'the way people are'.

I think I could accept that, but watching other people, I know it's not just the way people are - some people are very good at making and keeping connections.

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kerstina · 27/06/2012 22:52

Mrs Muddypuddles what was the book that triggered the unwanted feelings ? Sounds awful to have a book stir such intense feelings.
Some people may be very good at making and keeping connections but it does not mean that they have not been hurt in the past.

stookiesackhouse · 28/06/2012 01:09

I can empathise :( I feel lonely all the time.

It is a black cloud that is always with me. I suffer from anticipatory grief too. I am having counselling to try and help.

I think it has been exacerbated by my dreadful love life where I have been rejected several times. But it stems from childhood. I used to dream I woke up and was the only person left on earth - with years of solitary ahead of me. I would feel sad for days after but was too ashamed to tell anyone.

I just wanted to share. Loneliness is a taboo. I certainly don't talk about it in RL.

BehindtheBikeSheds · 28/06/2012 07:24

You are right, Kerstina. I should be wary of creating a 'me versus the world' scenario. I know everyone has been hurt, in some way.

I guess it's about balance. If you lose someone, but you have some 'credit in the bank' - some good, lasting connections - then you still feel all that hurt but maybe it doesn't rock your sense of self?

Does that make sense?

Stookie I feel so sad for you. When you say anticipatory grief, is there someone that you love who is very ill?

I'm not sure where we are going with this but just the knowledge that we're not alone in feeling alone helps. Can we keep sharing, tell us more if you can?

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fuzzpig · 28/06/2012 07:37

I am lonely too. I am crap at making friends and keeping them. I think if it weren't for Facebook I would have lost everyone. DH is a loner too but he likes it that way. I don't.

I recently found out I have Aspergers which explains pretty much everything about why I struggle with these things that most people can do easily. I don't feel much better about it though.

stookiesackhouse · 28/06/2012 09:05

Yes it helps to share with people who feel the same I think.

With me, I don't have a problem forming lasting connections, but I still suffer from this dark, insidious loneliness.

The anticipatory grief isn't for someone ill. I spend a lot of time worrying and getting upset about when\if my parents are no longer here and when my pet dies. I know that might sound silly but it's because they are the only people/things I know who are always there for me :(

I was rejected by three partners in a row - two after a few years because they didn't want to commit long term, one because he had a serious breakdown - so the fact that three people I really loved left has affected me really negatively.

I guess loneliness presents itself in very different ways.

I have applied to volunteer to drop in on some older people in my community who are isolated. I think it might help me to help others who are lonely too.

Behind and Fuzz, how are you feeling today?

BehindtheBikeSheds · 29/06/2012 18:58

Stookie, the volunteering sounds like a great idea. You'll see that you matter to people. That can be very affirming.

I'm sorry to hear about your past relationships and can completely understand why that would leave you feeling isolated.

I am wondering if it is something about shame, as Springy was saying above. For example I can think of other people who have been rejected (not to diminish your experience Stookie), but they brush it off because it's 'all the bastard's fault'.

I'm not saying that attitude is right either. Just that taking all the blame on yourself - if that's what you're doing - could distort things.

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