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CAF and safeguarding issues, in 3rd trimester

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Keziahhopes · 02/02/2012 18:27

Hello. I have just been told I have to have a CAF due to safeguarding issues. I am devastated. I have lots of fears about this and no professional has been able to reassure me. I currently have been refused access to the perinatal mental health team, refused an appointment the last 7 weeks with the mental health midwife to help prepare me for birth... so I have sought help, not gone against it but not got it.

Am devastated. Just hoping for some reassurance and not people saying welfare of child at me. I have a long story and history that I will not go into here.

Have cried solidly for 3hrs. Can't be bothered to namechange.

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madmouse · 02/02/2012 20:01

Keziah you are pregnant!!! Smile - no idea if you are in the mood for congrats but this was such a big wish for you for so long xx

What exactly do you mean with a CAF?

I know you have a long history of wanting help and therapy and kept getting rebuffed. I hope you get what you need. Is dh supportive?

faintpinkline · 02/02/2012 20:12

The CAF (common assessment framework) may help you access the help you need. There will be a lead professional who is not necessarily a social worker and different agencies will work together to establish what support you need. It may be that this will prove to be the best way to access the help you need to deal with your MH problems. In theory the good thing about a caf is it cuts through the communication barriers between different agencies

From your post, don't seem to be talking about immediate child protection procedures but trying to find a way to prevent safe guarding issues arising before its too late.

I really hope you get the help and support you need and that your fears are not founded. Congratulations on your pregnancy :)

cityhobgoblin · 02/02/2012 20:42

Hi Keziah , have replied on other thread , and PMed , but the above posters know the issues far better than I do . bumping for youSmile

tentative123 · 02/02/2012 21:08

Hopefully the caf will be a way to unlock the help you need, and wontbe scary and lead to further social care intervention. I really hope it does help and is positive for you.

Keziahhopes · 03/02/2012 17:00

Thanks for replies. It has taken us 7 years (lots of infertility issues, but natural conception aged 36) to conceive this little baby and yes my DH totally supportive.

Thanks for information about a CAF. My logical brain says getting support would help, however having been told who would be there (know all apart from vulnerable adult social worker who will not meet me before hand, which doesn't inspire me that they are there to support me) and asked the person who told me about it, they said they don't expect any support after the CAF other than (a) what I already have - which is a care co-ordinator from my community mental health team, she is newish to me and (b) potential therapy when I have proved I am in a routine with a baby and safeguarding issues lifted - which had already been agreed after 18mth process to get it. Other help such as midwife, children centre, health visitor is what every mum is entitled to apparently. What has been denied me is what I really needed - access to the mental health midwife (the one who understands mental health conditions and birth) as my main issues and what has caused this week of absolute distress for me are anxieties about birth due to previous traumas in my life or access to the peri-natal mental health team who can provide up to 18mths psychological help (know this as friend of a friend got this for post natal depression from this team, with no CAF and no safeguarding and cleared totally to continue working with 0-3's) or support groups the peri natal team run, or individual midwife support from them to help me adapt to motherhood. My psychiatrist (last seen at 16 weeks pregnant, no plan to see me until birth either!) refused this referral twice because I have her and a care co-ordinator. I only can have access to peri-natal team if I need inpatient support due to psychosis (which I have never had before).

Therefore I have to face a CAF and safeguarding and child protection issues further down the line due to no support being put in place before birth - and they have no plans to put any in place. This goes against the NICE guidelines, but they are not policies and a CAF is.

The CAF scares me. I seek help and get told no. Therefore they are having a CAF, giving me a social worker (and despite what people may say, that is a huge threat to me and fear) and I have been told that there will no access to any support and not to expect any as it is (a) too late for any before birth and (b) not available.

So I am upset, angry and very low about it. The agencies can't be too concerned about me. The midwife who is raising child protection issues apparently in this meeting (oh yes she told me) said you are 35 weeks pregnant, see your consultant at 36 weeks pregnant - so I don't think I need to see you again. So I don't even have a midwife pre-birth to do any checks. My care co-ordinator saw me this week and has not contacted me with any further appointments to see her.

Sorry for ranting - it is keeping me awake at night, waking me up in the early hours. I have a range of mental health labels - which has never given me access to any NHS support in 5 years, so now I feel I am being punished. I did eventualy get 6 sessions with clinical psychologist last year, who said my actions and behaviours are classic trauma reactions (mentioned CPTSD to me) and not that of someone with a personality disorder, but as she is not a psychiatrist she can't label me or re-label me. I got a BPD label 2years ago without any assessment for it - the then CPN labelled me, literally himself, then 4 months later the psychiatrist agreed to it (no formal diagnostic tools used) and the CPN then got funding to run a DBT group in the nearest City and apparently my label was one of which securred funding for the year long therapy and individual therapy that he ran with 2 others. Oh and guess what - I was not invited to this therapy!!! Challenging this label has caused more problems for me, so now services see me as threatening - and having raised a formal complaint 2yrs ago for a variety of issues (much of which upheld, but led to worse treatment of me) which is my concern about the CAF and social service involvement (told they will be at the meeting - obviously not to support me but for safeguarding issues and then to progress to child protection issues) as this is a way for services to get back at me. Any service that cared about its users would not - in my opinion - have refused access to a service such as peri-natal mental health - that can assist their patient. My psychiatrist told the peri-natal mental health team I already have a big package of care in place and do not need their services. I don't see how a cpn who has no children even of her own and is not midwife trained and is not a therapist can equal a whole team of specialist workers. The CAF cannot give me access to this team as I needed their support pre-birth and that is now too late.

sorry - an essay. Don't expect anyone to survive reading it.

My brain is telling me to have baby, legally separate from my DH who is desperate to me a Dad and give him total custody. That will spare the child from child protection for years to come as he is physically and mentally well. My midwife said they are not concerned about me, only the baby and there will be nothing put in place for me as that is not their job at the CAF.

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madmouse · 03/02/2012 20:31

Hi Keziah - unfortunately it is relatively common for cptsd to be misdiagnosed as BPD. Having had bad cptsd I kindof can see why that might happen, but I would expect a professional to know better.

Don't be daft re legally separating from dh - it would not make a difference anyhow as they would not believe that you would be totally uninvolved with child so would raise the same issues anyway, and you would all miss out. Besides you may well find that as soon as you meet this small person growing inside you that you can no way!!! stay out of its life. You will be a mum you know.

Common sense says just see what CAF brings first. But I can understand you not having any faith in it.

Keziahhopes · 03/02/2012 20:47

After the way I have been treated by services, such that the complaint officer even apologised I can't trust them. I could totally miss out on this child - I am the sort of person who can do that, because I know from experience I would rather block the pain of losing later on that now and I can't risk that at all.

The paperwork is not so much the issue - but who they are involving in my life and not caring about me and the baby and dh but about covering their own backs, ensuring I have procedures in place to give me no help and to stop me complaining legally.

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cityhobgoblin · 04/02/2012 13:39

That's exactly right , madmouse " I can understand you not having any faith in it" .Very painful to see you feeling like this *Keziah, when I know some of what you've gone through to have this child

From following developments with you over more than a year , I think you & Dh acted with great care & restraint in picking what you appealed about over the way you were treated , and am so very sorry the upheld complaint means you have been further isolated ( I remember you posting about this over a period , & do feel the LA has been acting to protect itself & appear as if you don't meet criteria for services)

I'd agree this process is a threat to your family , given that team will be composed of profesionals who have already flagrantly acted against your interests , but think it is also a danger for you to speak of feeling driven by these processes to walk away in the child's interests - they would use that against you , refusing to see your fear was caused by their protracted course of action

Appalling that there will still be tnothing in place for you and hope you can receive advice from a solicitor - where the hell are you supposed to find the money - it's down to their labels you aren't earning more !

Am concerned for your physical health , the stress can't be good for BP etc & am worried by what seems to me truly patchy care in recent weeks - glad ob who knows your health issues will be seeing you again soon .
Lots to cover but am slow this week , sorry - will PM as soon as can

Really hoping someone with experience will see this & give more advice

Keziahhopes · 07/02/2012 19:18

The stress of this over me is horrible... taking away joy in my bump. Birth due in coming week, induction date planned if not spontaneous as need to deliver by 38 weeks.

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cityhobgoblin · 08/02/2012 10:14

Hi Keziah , surprised at the very sensible new date for delivery but obviously distressed for you at the way this is overshadowing this unique time

Feels tactless to say am very excited this is the big week

If you still have a day or two , perhaps you'll find have the chance to explore more options for advice / support , but you probably only have time now to continue to prepare yourself for the birth < sage > , and to have rough plans in place for your next contact with services , as I'm sure you've been trying to do . Hopefully there will be no need for things to escalate

Sending very best wishes for a calmer timexxx

Chocattack · 08/02/2012 21:48

(((Keziah))). Have posted mush in other thread Smile

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