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Tell me about OCD. Is paranoia a symptom?

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ihearthuckabees · 28/08/2010 13:01

We are having problems with a neighbour who has, we believe, OCD. This is based on the fact people have observed her checking her door endlessly before leaving for work in the morning, and some strange behaviour regarding her bins (positioning them in weird formations in the middle of the night).

The thing is, we fell our with her when we built an extension; partly our fault but not wholly, and the relationship has been very strained since, despite numerous apologies and financial offers to fix the damage to her garden.

She also seems quite paranoid, and seems to believe we are doing thing/have done things to punish/upset her. We genuinely don't feel this is the case, hence the thread title. Is paranoia a symptom of OCD? Is she seeing our actions (attempts to talk to her, resolve things etc) through a different lens?

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Jaybird37 · 29/08/2010 11:52

I don't think anyone is going to be able to give you a firm diagnosis of OCD or paranoia from a post like this. Although some of her behaviour could fit with OCD, equally it could fit with responding to voices or an agitated depression. Or, the ritualised behaviour may be completely unrelated to her attitude to you. I certainly could not judge purely from anything you post.

I think, from your point of view, I would assume that she has a different perspective on your relationship/ behaviour because that is normal; bear in mind that she may be having to struggle with mental health issues and try not to make life more difficult for her.

Why are you asking? Do you want to refer her somewhere or are you looking for advice on how to manage your relationship?

ihearthuckabees · 29/08/2010 21:45

I was looking for advice on how to manage the relationship. I have tried to talk to her but it is very difficult to actually have a fruitful conversation. It always deteriorates into a kind of passive aggressive stand off. I suppose I wanted to know if there was anything I should avoid saying/doing that may not be helping.

But I think you're right. It is difficult to discuss on a forum, and you're also right in that I don't really know whether she has a mental health condition - have had to assume from the various things she's said/done and does that maybe she has.

The whole point of posting was because I don't want to make things more difficult for her, but I also want to try to resolve things, and am worried that my way of trying to resolve things (approaching her to try to talk about things) may make things more difficult for her, IYKWIM.

I think I should probably just give up trying to resolve things.

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ihearthuckabees · 29/08/2010 21:46

Meant to say, thanks for answering my post too.

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jardy · 30/08/2010 17:46

You have apologised,offered financial compensation,and appear concerned.What more can you do,you seem very caring and concerned.I have from OCD and I do need space,so maybe you should give her some privacy and space.I dont like it if people keep asking me how I am or worse,say you dont seem yourself.I hope this helps.

jardy · 30/08/2010 17:57

I mean I have OCD in the form of recurring thoughts.I dont keep washing my hands or anything but I am highly sensitive and can relate to this ladys distress.Often people with OCD take longer to get over blips in their lives as we can only deal in straight lines.Any ambiguity is extremely distressing.Building an extension next to someone with OCD would be a highly challenging situation to someone who has this personality.If someone puts their files on my desk at work I get very upset,and its all out of porportion.I think why cant they see how much it is upsetting me.So imagine what an extension would do!It isnt your fault,but it might help if you over emphasised the boundary space,eg make sure no tree branches overlap her property and dont put a wind chime out.The thought of the wind chime tinkling and that she cannot do anything about it except complain will cause her agony.The good news about having a neighbour like this is that she should be really quiet and considerate,and tidy.You only have to tweak your life a little bit and you will have a great neighbour.Thank for raising this subject,there is a lot of misunderstanding.OCD does not mean you are very selfish for example.Good Luck!

Jaybird37 · 30/08/2010 19:09

I would agree with giving her space. If she blamed you/ was upset about the extension, she may be suspicious and worried about friendly neighbourly overtures. Don't ignore her, just keep it simple.

Sorry to hear about the problems you have Jardy.

jardy · 30/08/2010 20:55

Hi Jay,thanks for that Smile

ihearthuckabees · 30/08/2010 22:02

Thank you both for your insight. I think the extension has really upset her, even though she didn't object to it at planning stage and seemed unconcerned when we told her we were doing it. In retrospect, I think she didn't want to discuss it and just wanted the conversation to end. (I didn't know she had OCD - if that's what she has - at the time). There's nothing we can do about it now though, so i agree that the best thing is to just leave her alone and accept she isn't going to forgive us.

(By they way, you're right in that she doesn't have much to do with us/anyone else in the street, but wrong about the tidiness thing. Her response to her garden damage has been to make the bit of her garden that butts on to ours as messy and overgrown as possible, including dumping rubbish on it! But I know OCD isn't about being tidy, even if that's how lots of people characterise it.)

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jardy · 31/08/2010 10:24

Hi iheart,really sorry to hear about her dumping on your land.I am not inconsiderate like that at all,infact I would be so delighted to have such a lovely neighbour as you are I would try very hard to make things as tidy as possible.I did have a neighbour like yours.Everything was ok until we got two kittens and then all hell broke loose every time the kittens went even an inch on her land and she became very nasty indeed,calling us filthy etc and sticking jagged tin lids in her borders,hundreds of them,looked very unsightly as well as imagine the damage it would do to little kitten paws.I am not sure what this woman has now but I agree with your solution about keeping your distance.At least she hasnt got a barking dog or plays loud music all the time!Also we did move and the worse neighbours we had were young and beautiful with two gorgeous children.Again it was the cats,they hammered on the door and shouted over the fence if our cats wandered on their garden.It got very very nasty and ended in a fight between her dh and my dh.My cats lived to 21 and 23.I wouldnt have a cat again though because of the hassle with the neighbours!Good Luck,you sound lovely and in time I hope she appreciates that you have been trying to see things from her point of view.

ihearthuckabees · 31/08/2010 12:21

Jardy, that's awful about your cats. People can be SO intolerant, and although it is annoying when cats do that, it's hardly the end of the world.

Somehow, people don't seem to see that we are all living next to and near each other and there should be a sense of sharing that space as a community. It's the same with people who get hacked off by children playing near their house, or parking cars on 'their' bit of the road (in front of their house). It's so insular and petty. I have lots of lovely neighbours too, and it makes life feel so much safer and comfortable and relaxed to know they are there and looking out for each other.

(By the way, the rubbish isn't on our land, it's on hers, but just right next to ours. It's kind of an open plan set up (1970s housing estate), so it could easily look like it's ours.)

Thank you for making me feel better about how I've handled this. I do try to be a good neighbour, but was starting to doubt myself!

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Earlybird · 31/08/2010 12:29

How exactly was her garden damaged?

How has she responded to your apologies and/or offers of compensation to fix her damaged garden?

ihearthuckabees · 31/08/2010 20:04

She has refused to accept any compensation from us or accept our apologies.

Her grass was damaged and her hedge was removed without her permission.

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jardy · 02/09/2010 10:55

To be honest I would be very upset,and I am sure most people would be,if their hedge was removed without permission.I want to be supportive ihearth because I know what it is like to be in your situation,and YES I totally agree with you about people who get hacked off about children playing near their house and parking the car in front of their house.I am intrigued-please can you let us know how her hedge was removed without permission and and her grass damaged?Did she come round first AND THEN you offered to apologise and pay compensation OR did you make the first move?
However the fact that you want to understand her,and have tried to make amends sounds like you are a thoughtful and kind person,I can`t therefore understand why her hedge was taken down unless it was a complete misunderstanding.

ihearthuckabees · 02/09/2010 14:40

Jardy, I know it sounds bad, and I nearly put all the details in to the reply early bird, but then I felt like I was being defensive, so I just put the bald facts down. But I will explain.

The hedge situation was a bit complicated - we wanted to build up to our boundary, which meant building where there had previously been a garage with a side-access pathalongside it. Next to this was the edge of her garden, which was planted with a tall hedge. Hope you can visualise.

Before drawing up our plans, we asked her if she'd be willing to remove her hedge (as there would be a wall in its place which would offer the same/more level of privacy than the hedge), and also because this would make the building work much easier to do. She was very relaxed about it, said no problem, she wasn't that bothered about how her garden looked etc.

To be honest, I felt a bit awkward about it, and so made my DH also go to ask her about it a few months later, before the architect got going with the plans. Her response was the same i.e. no problem, so we went ahead with the plans, engineers' drawings and so on.

The day before the builders were due to arrive I went to warn her that the work was due to start the next day. I also said, "Are you still ok about the hedge?" assuming all would be well based on the previous conversations. She said she didn't know what I was talking about and denied having given us permission. Not knowing what to do, I suggested that maybe she would like to discuss it with the builders, hoping once they explained what was due to happen, she'd be ok with it.

The builders arrived the next day, I told them she wanted to talk about the hedge, they said they didn't want to wait til she got home from work and they were planning to take the hedge down straight away (I had not known they were planning this).

I know that what I should have done is say "DO NOT TOUCH THE HEDGE" very firmly, but I didn't. I felt under pressure. I also had to leave the house to take my son to school (DH was working away at the time) and so I kind of didn't say anything more and just left. The builders, of course, tore the hedge down. I have to accept responsibility for that, which is why I went round to her house at the earliest I could (about 2 hours after she had arrived home from work) and apologised/grovelled and said we would replant the hedge once the work had been finished. She didn't approach us, it was always us approaching her.

The grass was damaged because the builders had open access to her garden (no hedge there!) and drove their tractor/machine thing on it. I also went to apologise about that and promise new turf (this was day 2 of the build). I was not responsible for that damage, and indeed DH and I were really annoyed with the builders over it and told them, but you know how builders can be. They don't really care - just want to get the job done and dusted. I was unable to apologise this time personally as this was the point that she stopped talking to me/answering the door, and so I had to relay a message through her (teenage) daughter, and put it in a note.

I feel as if accepted that the hedge thing was my fault, but that we did our best to make it up to her. She never objected to our planning application, yet seemed surprised that we were building a two-storey extension (I discussed this during the hedge-apology when she was still willing to talk). Our plans were all based on her being ok with the hedge removal (although having seen it torn down I can totally understand her upset, as it looked like a bomb had hit the place).

But what can we do? We can't turn back time - the damage was done, we accepted responsibility for it made genuine offers to make amends, all of which have been thrown back in our faces (I know I sound petulant). Added to that has been what feels like a campaign to 'get revenge' (constant dirty looks, strange behaviour with her bins, letting her grass become very overgrown next to our driveway - petty things really, but they build up a horrible tension). This is why I posted my original question, because I am so confused about her motivation. Is it revenge or is it a method of coping that is shaped by (possible) mental health problems.

Having written this, I feel that maybe the possible mental health issues shouldn't even come into it. I feel presumptious thinking about them, when I don't know anything really about her.

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jardy · 05/09/2010 19:47

Hi ihearth,I have been away,but I was curious to find out why her hedge was taken up.I really feel for you because it is one of the situations in Life where you keep sliding down the slippery slope,you dont mean these things to happen but it just evolves.Of course you couldnt stop the Builders pulling down the hedge,and you must stop reproaching yourself.All the ground work -scuse the pun,had been done.She probably did want to appear helpful and it is easy after an event to regret been generous,the fault is where she then tried to blame you when in fact she did agree.So please draw a line under this,she agreed,she changed her mind,now she is blaming you when she should really take some responsibility herself.Its no-ones fault,just one of those things.You do come across as caring and concerned,if you werent,you wouldn`t be on here.

ihearthuckabees · 05/09/2010 20:29

jardy, good to hear from you. I have come to the same conclusion as you. I need to just ignore her and leave it. Thanks for your insights.

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jardy · 07/09/2010 19:58

Good,take care and stay strong,it was just one of those things Smile

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