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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Counting down to August B)

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desikated · 30/06/2024 19:23

We're all going on a summer holiday....
No more fasting for a week or two...

@Cherryblossom81 @Clearingaspace @TooEarlyForBreakfastInJune @Eastie77Returns @HarpQuartet @ItRainsItPours @NewYorkNewYork24 @Saraswati

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Whale80ne · 26/07/2024 15:37

*Clearingaspace it's all gone to pot this week! *
I'm in the process of leaving work (drawn out process as there are three elements to my job, which is partly why I'm leaving for one straightforward - hopefully - daytime role) and I work with kids, who threw me a leaving lunch so I ate 15 hours into on my planned 26 hour fast day, after also having eaten sugary food and earlier than planned the day before when colleagues provided leaving cake for me 😳. To add insult to injury the excitement was too much for one of the kids and she went into a rather dramatic meltdown and I had to restrain her as I was nearest (special setting) and she scratched me really badly (definitely going to scar) and I spent the middle section of the lunch sitting outside with her, helping her calm down while I bled onto my clothes, and then had to leave early with her as she couldn't settle... Normally things like that are par for the course but it upset me more than usual because it was my last but one day and I ate chocolate a parent gave me and badly at home too afterwards.

Then two children (well older teens) aged out of the residential setting element and we had a pizza party for them and I stupidly ate takeaway pizza - there was no real need to although it was in my window at least I had dinner with my family planned.

Two of my own kids have had celebrations and we're going out to eat tonight.
I haven't got on the scales (coward!) but I'm working in my shift based setting nine out of ten days from Monday onwards, before I go on holiday and that setting is really busy and we don't sit down to eat with the children for various reasons, and its usually easier to fast there...

Maybe I'll pull it back then, but it's not gone well this week!

Surely you haven't put on a kg due to a few roast potatoes - maybe you ate later than usual and it's the actual weight of the undigested food, or water retention. 🤞

ItRainsItPours · 26/07/2024 16:54

I’ve only lost 2lbs this month but I’m enjoying the summer holidays. As long as I don’t gain any back I’ll be happy.

HarpQuartet · 26/07/2024 19:44

@Whale80ne what a lot you have going on!! I just wanted to send you a supportive salute for everything you're managing.

And @ItRainsItPours I call that a good result.

@Clearingaspace I'll place a bet that that comes right off.

Onwards and downwards (I like that - group motto).

Whale80ne · 27/07/2024 13:04

Thanks HarpQuartet

87.1 kg today - a kg up on last week but honestly it could have been a lot worse given my eating this week. Perhaps I'll get rid of this week's gain in the coming week or two and head back in the right direction before two weeks of family holiday kicks me off track again 😜🤣😳 At least I'll be sticking to regular 20:4 fasting until Wednesday bedtime and then perhaps do a 36 from after dinner on Wednesday until Friday before my late shift... hmm fingers crossed 🤞

I've got the day off today and we're having a garden picnic this evening (I live abroad and it's 35°c here but we get random thunder storms most days) so I'm making pasta salad and sausage rolls, might bake banana bread... but also green salad and fruit salad - off to buy a watermelon in a minute 🤣 but I won't eat till then anyway so should be okay even though food choices aren't exemplary 😜

Onwards and downwards 😄

HarpQuartet · 02/08/2024 07:43

Well, this month has been a bit of a parp for me - finished at 77.8kg, +2kg from where I hoped I'd be. I realised I'd stopped having any meaningful fast, so have started paying attention to that again. Hope others are feeling more on course, I will get back into my good habits.

Whale80ne · 02/08/2024 09:02

NevermindHarpQuartet - it's a marathon not a sprint and all that.

Seriously though it's a lifelong thing isn't it, recalibrating our relationship with and attitudes to food and eating learning to undo the "eat less than you want but more frequently than you need to" 🤣 "little and often" - but finish what's on your plate - but don't be/ appear greedy so don't eat to appetite - sweet food is "naughty" but it's also "a treat" and most contradictory being"naughty" is a "reward" for being good... contradictory nonsense most of us probably had unconsciously ground into us from birth to leaving the parental home.

I'm back to 86.5kg this morning so 1.5kg less than when I joined the thread but 0.5kg more than the goal I set myself and 0.5kg up from my lowest weight this month. I have been fasting every day - I like fasting through the day and eating for the first time in the mid afternoon or evening, I find it's just pleasingly simple and gives me a clarity and energy I enjoy - and honestly it's usually other people's expectations that make that part challenging sometimes (communal eating, eating as a celebration or a good-bye - going on a lot at work recently). However in the evening I sabotage myself by not closing my window straight after dinner and having a few cold alcohol free beers with DH or I'm a complete sucker for ice-cream especially if one of my teenagers spontaneously brings me my favourite Magnum 😳🤣😊 I can't turn that down! Even watermelon and grapes on the table after dinner is too tempting and although it's few calories it keeps my window open and my insulin spiked. Oh well, at least the general direction is down even if it's a very bumpy and gradual slope atm!

That said I'm on a late today in a setting where there's usually no communal eating and aiming for a 36 hour fast through to 9am tomorrow. Should be easily doable given the pattern of activity today (as long as I don't break it with ice-cream or alcohol free beers at 25 hours when I get home 🤣).

What's the plan for the thread now it is August I wonder? Do we count down to next August? 😊🤣

ItRainsItPours · 02/08/2024 09:57

Definitely a marathon, I had a good July in the but a few days before August I would not have thought that. Are we counting down to September?

HarpQuartet · 02/08/2024 10:43

Nice post, @Whale80ne thank you for all of those good reminders, and hello @ItRainsItPours 👋

@desikated if you're happy to do a countdown to September then thanking you for that, but if you'd like a month off I can make the new one tomorrow. Starting a thread twists my insides as I have an overactive sense of responsibility, but it is also good to remember that the Difficult Thing won't actually kill me 😁

ItRainsItPours · 02/08/2024 10:49

I suppose I too could start a new thread but it feels rude! I also could not be relied on to do it every month.

Fouramclub · 03/08/2024 08:24

Hi all!! I have been absent (and back to square one weight wise) and I am keen to join a new thread if there is one. In the meantime I'm going to read the posts from everything I have missed to get some inspiration.

Slightly annoyed that I started this journey a year ago and only managed to keep off 2kg. Lack of sleep, looking after kids, continuous colds, work stress have not helped the journey as I often turn to comfort eating but it is what it is. Onwards and upwards!

going to read your posts over some coffee ☕️

Clearingaspace · 03/08/2024 09:36

Hello all back from a little family uk summer holiday. Predictably my weight is back up to 182.5 which means zero weight loss this month! At least i maintained. My plan for today is just to be sensible but I need to try and get back on track asap!

@Whale80ne you are so correct about dieting and mixed messages. I really struggle with how to deal with this with my children.

welcome back @Fouramclub - ending the year with a little weight off is still a win. A lot of people end up higher weight after a diet and the weight flies back on.

@HarpQuartet @desikated @ItRainsItPours - I would also be keen for a thread for September!

Whale80ne · 03/08/2024 11:54

*Clearingaspace I had a conversation about this with my 13 year old only yesterdato get around a lack if ready made snacks y because he has been conscious of his tummy for the last year and basically said it's his body and he can decide what's more important to him, but that his growing body and brain need balanced meals but snacking is not necessary for anyone and neither is processed sugar. I acknowledged that those things are really hard to give up and said it's always his choice. *

We don't have tons of junk in the house but I don't restrict what the children spend their money on, and my boys took up baking together during the pandemic when they were 8/9 and 11/12 to get around the lack of ready made snacks, and they still do this which I don't restrict and always buy ingredients they put on the shopping list, where I don't buy packets of biscuits/ crisps.

I've no idea whether this is right. I've also been clear ever since I started fasting four and a half years ago that under 18s shouldn't fast for more than 14 hours because they're still growing (especially boys) but I know my nearly 17 year old did fast without telling me until afterwards when he went through a puppy fat phase at 14-15. We eat family dinner together (DH does with the kids when I'm working a late shift) so that kept it slightly in check but he skipped breakfast and lunch - he told me afterwards. This isn't good for growing teens (although he's managed to get to 6 ft 2 so far so it hasn't stunted his growth unless he was destined to be even taller at nearly 17!) and he's sporty and passed his exams so I don't think it did any actual damage... It's not ideal though and very hard to say "do as I say not as I do because I'm a grown up and you're not, even when there's a solid biological basis for a menopausal woman (in my case) to eat differently to an adolescent boy!

Tricky

Whale80ne · 03/08/2024 11:56

*oops the text jumped in that first sentence and I didn't proof read 😳 The ready made snacks reference belongs in the sentence about baking, not at the beginning!

Whale80ne · 03/08/2024 11:59

Also although I don't buy biscuits and crisps I do buy ice-cream 🤣 it's hard to be consistent!

Clearingaspace · 03/08/2024 17:38

@Whale80ne funnily enough my dds have just baked some delicious cookies this afternoon. I do buy them crisps and what not - I definitely don’t set a great example and we all eat different food. My kids think we are an ingredients house though ironically and hate it when there isn’t food they can just eat (apparently fruit and bread doesn’t count!) yes very tricky!

Whale80ne · 03/08/2024 18:29

Clearingaspace
we live miles from anywhere and my boys think nothing of a 14km round trip cycle ride to buy crisps and chocolate bars with their allowances (that's just how far it is to the nearest shop). I also buy the ingredients for baking in large quantities and they can always bake - tbh mug cakes only take 10 minutes and they also do incredibly quick chocolate chip cookies. I'd never try to stop them but I don't think there's any harm in having to put a bit of effort in rather than eat junk mindlessly 🤣 I'm somewhat amazed they don't snack on the chocolate chips but they police baking ingredients between themselves somewhat (there was a long discussion on whether it was legitimate for DD to put chocolate chips in her yoghurt, thus leaving too few for the cookie recipe, or whether she should be buying her own especially as she has a driving licence and car...)

My own mother was incredibly and minutely controlling about food and I don't want to be like that - three of her four children have or have had seriously disordered eating and two full blown eating disorders - including life threatening anorexia and hospitalisation for one of my siblings. She obviously had eating disorders herself, passed on from her own mother and probably going back further (all my great aunts, born well over 100 years ago, thought the biggest compliment a woman could receive was the observation she ate "like a bird" 😕 and was "a slip of a thing" ...

My mother insisted that (having almost force fed small children and praised "good eating " as a virtue) once girls started puberty they should have half portions (down to half slices of toast) for fear of the absolute worst outcome - getting fat. She gave me a smaller plate than my younger siblings when I started my periods and less food, and would only give me one roast potato (the same as her) when men, boys and prepubescent girls had 3 or 4.

She removed our Easter eggs and doled them out over months as "pudding" in miniscule pieces, and threw them away when they went white with age. It was torture and led me to binging in secret, outside the house, on huge quantities once I had the freedom to buy my own chocolate - I'd never have brought it home because of the judgement and shaming.

I don't know what the right way is tbh. I know it isn't my mum's way! Banning things or severely rationing them makes them disproportionately desirable. However I didn't want to go completely to the opposite extreme and have cupboards full of ultra processed ready to eat snacks especially as I'm not always home (shift work) and it's teen human nature to live on junk if it's just sitting there...

Also when I'm chronically tired but stressed too and want to stay up and have an hour to myself I replace sleep with food given half a chance and if it's not in the cupboard it's that bit less likely I'll go out and buy it rather than go to bed!

I always have multiple loaves of bread and packs of butter in the freezer as well as what's open so tbh the boy teens often have a million toasted sandwiches when I'm out which is also hardly healthy. And they make themselves flatbread pizzas for lunch or just a snack in a few minutes with flatbread and passata and grated cheese, so barely better than stocking the fridge with frozen pizzas! They do a lot of sport though 🤣

DD is massively sporty and cooks elaborate, healthy meals - and she's nearly 19 so really I have no authority over her food except that whoever is home eats together at the table in the evening, which everyone sticks to without complaints.

It is indeed hard to find the right route.

My kids have all had a brief slightly chubby phase - DD and DS2 at 12-13 and DS1 at 14-15, but the older two are healthy weight and very active indeed, the youngest has a little bit of a tummy at 13 now but also does a lot of sport and cycling and hasn't started his big growth spurt yet, hopefully he'll be fine too, I don't think he's actually overweight.

One thing that I think is definitely important is never, ever commenting at all on their body shapes unless they actively and very specifically ask. I think our generation of parents know that but my mother seemed to think body shaming and it's twin, appetite shaming for women and teen girls, and pointing out weight loss or anyone "lovely and slim" or women who appeared to have tiny appetites with gushing approval was at the core of good parenting of teenagers. Which accounts for a lot.

Clearingaspace · 08/08/2024 21:49

@Whale80ne wow your mums method definitely doesn’t sound right with rationing Easter eggs etc, that’s very sad about the eating disorders amongst your siblings Flowers

My dc are reluctant to walk 2 mins to Tesco so sounds like you are doing an amazing job!

Clearingaspace · 08/08/2024 22:32

Shall I set up a thread for tomorrow - I will @ everyone here as I think it will be easier

ItRainsItPours · 09/08/2024 06:34

Just checking in. Hello all.

HarpQuartet · 09/08/2024 06:35

Hi @ItRainsItPours I've just posted on the new thread , see you there

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