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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 22! Put down that biscuit - you can eat it tomorrow

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BetsyBell · 23/06/2013 15:54

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads:
most recent, one before that, another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnichts for putting together all the info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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Itsaboatjack · 26/06/2013 07:48

Oh saf, what a shock for you. I really hope everything's ok xxx

I weighed in this morning...... 10st 13.0. That's 1.2lb lost this week

Prawntoast · 26/06/2013 08:05

thinking of you saf

frenchfancy · 26/06/2013 08:17

More hugs for SAF If you hadn't had the op they wouldn't have found it. Be strong x

BreakOutTheKaraoke · 26/06/2013 08:39

Have my fingers crossed for you SAF that it turns out to be nothing.

Dotty342kids · 26/06/2013 09:11

Yay for itsaboatjack, brilliant!

And saf hell, that's rubbish but thank goodness you had the op and they've had the chance to find it. LIke all these things, the sooner you know and can crack on with treatment, the better. Smile

ELR · 26/06/2013 09:50

Thinking of you saf sendings good vibes and hugs.

Weighed in this mornining and back to my lowest weight so hoping I will weightless on friday and have a new low!

bsshh the prawn and spinach curry I made was really good I added plenty of fresh garlic, chilli and ginger. I think a little coconut added would be nice too bu I will keep that for a nfd!

Chocupid · 26/06/2013 10:03

2 good fast days in this week so am pleased I seem to be back in the routine. Not a fast day today as I'm going out, but hope to fit another in thurs or Friday.
Oh saf so sorry your going through this shit, not good when your not even recovered from op yet. hope all turns out to be ok, sending hugs.

EagleRiderDirk · 26/06/2013 10:25

saf horrible news. Sending hugs and good vibes your way.

Dotty342kids · 26/06/2013 10:47

So, last night I had a completely self sabotaging binge on more chocolate and crisps than I dare to own up to Blush. Seriously, I don't know what's wrong with me some days. I suspect it was the result of seeing the next 1lb off. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

anyhow, today's a new day and whilst it wasn't going to be a fast day, it certainly is now! Just going to have dinner tonight though it may be a bit over 500 cals. Then normal fast day tomorrow. Hope that makes amends for last night Grin

SoTiredAgain · 26/06/2013 11:09

saf. Terrible news, so sorry. Sending you good vibes.

postmanpatscat · 26/06/2013 12:18

saf well done on 10.2 and sending you strength Flowers

Breadandwine · 26/06/2013 12:39

That's tough, saf! [hug]

However, the good news is that you are already doing the very best thing you can do to combat this - by fasting!

Have a look at this study, which quotes Dr Longo (one of the Horizon scientists):

www.naturalhealth365.com/food_news/kill-cancer.html

If you also google 'fasting and cancer', you'll find many positive articles on the subject.

Best wishes, B&W

eastlondonlite · 26/06/2013 12:43

I don't know if this is completely against the rules but I am not actually a mum - but this is by FAR the best thread chatting about 5:2 and I have felt like a bit of a weird lurker over the past couple of weeks. Happy to head off elsewhere if this is only for those with offspring!

I started 5:2 six fasts ago - so three weeks, today is my seventh and I'm struggling as I had a glass too many last night.

In the past I lost 5 and a 1/2 stone through weight watchers. At my lowest after work and home stress I was down to 11st4 from a high of 16st10 five years ago.

I am now at a starting weight of 11st13 (I'm 5'10) starting at 12'4 three weeks ago and I want to see 10st on the scales for the first time in my life! But I just cannot bear to go back to the days of counting everything and having a nightmare trying to eat out with friends. And WW low calorie wine is just a depressing thought.

Two questions:

  1. Am I fasting right? I stop eating after dinner on a normal day and then try and make it until about 3 or 4pm before having a miso soup or some avocado or fish - never more than 100 cals. then wait until 8pm for a fullish evening meal. Then I start to eat normally again the following morning.

  2. I find is that I need at least 400 cals in the evening meal to have any chance of getting to sleep -which leaves me with barely anything to play with during the day - I almost always go to 550 / 570 during the days as I just cannot seem to stick to 500 once you factor in every sip of skimmed milk or every extra pea. Is this ok or would I be getting much better results sticking to the 500?

Any advice would be welcome!

BsshBossh · 26/06/2013 12:49

Dotty342kids every time I see the scales move downwards on weigh-in day I celebrate by lots of treats and I've done this ever since I started losing weight early last year. I never really bothered mentioning it on here because it's not a big deal (to me) and my food intake always balances out on other days (and I continue to lose weight - give or take a few stalls - so no big deal).

Don't worry about it :)

BsshBossh · 26/06/2013 12:56

Hi eastlondonlite :) Welcome to the forum - loads of non-parents on here so don't worry!

Well done on your weight loss so far. Looks like you're doing fine - the miso/snack at 3pm-ish & the larger meal at dinner all look good. You don't seem to be going much over 500 cals so all fine there too. You'll find as you progress on your fasting journey that you might be able to skip the 3pm snack and just eat a 500 cal dinner. But even if you don't, it's okay. Let your weight loss be your guide.

Breadandwine · 26/06/2013 13:07

saf, have a look at this thread on the 52fastdiet forum:

www.52fastdiet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=3940

eastlondonlite · 26/06/2013 13:13

Ok thanks BsshBossh I am going for a no snack day today with just too coffees and a million cups of herbal tea! Smile If I make it I am buying a pair of trainers I've had my eye on for two months.

Do you find 2/3pm is horrible and then hunger pangs gone by 6ish? It seems to go like that for me every day. Any tips for those tough hours?!

I do have one amazing top tip for dinners if anyone is interested - fish pie! There is a version at Waitrose that is 269 calories for the whole ready meal whcih means you can have a large side of peas. At Sainsbury's there is a fish pie that is just below 400 and it is cheesy packed with salmon, prawn and spinach and so nice I used to have it as a treat on a fast day. Marks and Sparks has a similar fish with mornay sauce and potatoes - which is 310 ish and tasty.

BsshBossh · 26/06/2013 13:51

I drink loads of water during tough hours and also just keep myself very busy. I have a very sedentary job but I work from from home very flexibly so I time my gym sessions and all chores for my "tough hours" :)

BsshBossh · 26/06/2013 13:53

Breadandwine you always come up with the goods (and not just baked goods!) Flowers. Love having you on these boards :)

mehefin · 26/06/2013 14:50

Best wishes to you saf

and belated thanks to Bssh for the interesting link. Eating less often is definitely the way forward for me and I feel much better for it.

Dotty342kids · 26/06/2013 15:25

BsshBossh, thanks for kind words following on from my posting about last night's horrid chocolate fest! Sounds like you deal iwth fast days similarly to me. I zumba in the morning to distract me from hunger then come home and work like mad. Then from about 4.00 onwards I start thinking about / preparing my FD dinner Smile

angelabbie · 26/06/2013 16:19

sending you good thoughts SAF.

I have just bought some almond milk and will make a cuppa in a bit to see how it is. I have ordered some kidzfiveaday after seeing how healthy it was and supposed to be very tasty and low cal so though it would be good for a FD will let you know if it is worth the money.

VIRGINPOSTER I am in awe, I can not see that happening to me but you never know!!

swallowedAfly · 26/06/2013 16:19

afternoon. thanks all. interesting links. am a fair bit calmer after another conversation with my surgeon today who is getting me in to see a specialist who told him to tell me not to panic and it may well be something that doesn't even actively need treating at this stage for all we know. think my surgeon panicked me a bit because he couldn't tell me much as it's not his field.

anyway i am breathing a bit easier.

hope i can maintain that 10.2 and build on it when i have the energy.

Talkinpeace · 26/06/2013 16:21

eastlondonlite
welcome aboard. Breadandwine is a grandad so we are a very welcoming crowd!

(((( SAF )))))
A horrible shock but statistically, catching it early your chances are really good.
You'll get referred to a specialist really quickly and the whole system works v v well.
One of my swimming ladies had a lump spotted during a mammogram and the operation afterwards was day surgery and she carried on coming to the gym (sometimes just for coffee) right through her treatment and is on the clear.
If you get a choice of centres, get as many recommendations as you can as the surgeons really vary.
And as B&W says, fasting will actually help especially during this.
Flowers

BetsyBell · 26/06/2013 16:52

Horror day today. I will have no adult company this evening so am going to unburden on here. Spent hours in A&E with an injured child - lots of blood, head glued back together - DC is fine but I seem to be suffering more. I had one of those weird night's sleep where I woke up for hours so now I just feel empty, wrung out and exhausted. DH is away for work (unusually) so it's just me to look after everyone and really I just want to curl up and sleep off the shock. Haven't even spoken to DH since it happened - text sent so he knows but I will just immediately burst into tears when he calls. Am tearing up now tbh.

Sigh

This has turned into a possible impromptu fast day - haven't had time to eat much and not feeling up for anything either. I feel so wretched I might as well make this a fast, I'll only eat stodge if I don't. I doubt I'll want to fast tomorrow now.

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