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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 22! Put down that biscuit - you can eat it tomorrow

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BetsyBell · 23/06/2013 15:54

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads:
most recent, one before that, another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnichts for putting together all the info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
Talkinpeace · 26/06/2013 16:55

(((((( Betsy ))))))
How is your small person?
Are they up for a walk out to somewhere for the two of you to have supper out on such a lovely evening.
No driving if poss : or get a takeaway : chinese or Thai set menu type thing - relatively low calorie and a treat for the two of you to chillax ...

Tommy · 26/06/2013 16:57

hi everyone - I am on week 3 and I think everything is going ok except that I get really bad headaches on FDs. Is this just dehydration? Am trying to drink more water... Confused

BsshBossh · 26/06/2013 16:59

Oh Betsy big ((((hugs)))) and Flowers for you.

BetsyBell · 26/06/2013 17:03

Hmm, thinks. Tip that's a good idea, I'm not up for it tonight as although he appears fine I'm on alert for concussion and whatnot (and I'm exhausted and feel a bit on the nauseas side). I'm planning an easy tea for the DCs BUT I would love to do that with them tomorrow. That would be a lovely thing, just thinking about doing it has perked me up a bit, thank you x

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Talkinpeace · 26/06/2013 17:11

Betsy
Meals out are always good for the soul.
We often eat out when DH is away. I go for the most complicated salad on the menu, or even better two or three starters so I get small amounts of something yummy. The kids tend to have chips because that is what we do not eat at home.
Have yourself a big glass of milk to calm your nerves and put a bottle of cava in the fridge for when your DH comes home. Just because!

Talkinpeace · 26/06/2013 17:11

Tommy
Yes, almost certainly dehydration. Have at least an extra pint of water a day when fasting.

somewherebecomingrain · 26/06/2013 17:11

saf so sorry to hear it. But it sounds like the earliest poss diagnosis - almost pre-cancer - so you prob have no need to worry as you say.

I'm fasting partly as a preemptive measure cause it looks like there is a cancer gene in my family. Also cause I want to look good Grin

Have to say I did 16:8 today and it felt about right. I've not quite understood how others are talking about repairing their overindulgence a because whilst doing strict 5:2 I've felt like a raging vortex of hunger even on NFDs. I think that may be a signal that 5:2 is too much while breastfeeding

Meanwhile my mil who is 75 and is doing 5:2 and has been overweight all her life and has terrible arthritis and mobility issues has had an NSV! Basically she needs new trousers as hers are all too big! And she ordered all these xxxxl clothes which is her normal size and they were way way too big. I'm so happy for her. This will mean she can walk and drive more easily, wash and get around. Unfortunately she's not feeling well today but this is such a lovely result, more moving than me wearing a size ten today (which I am - flukey cut I think but still).

Dotty342kids · 26/06/2013 17:23

Oh Betsy that does sound really horrid. Gosh, what's going on today - seems like bad news all over this forum Sad
But! And it's a big "but", today's nearly over so have a cry if you want to, even if it makes you a big snivelling mess on the phone to your DH and then get yourself to bed. I bet you conk out from the exhaustion of it all.
Hope your little one (and you!) feel better tomorrow.

ELR · 26/06/2013 17:44

betsy hope you and your little one are feeling a little better, Tip is right meals out are good for the soul you will really enjoy it tomorrow and it will be something for you all to look forward to.
And like dotty says have a cry if that's what you want it does make you feel better.
somewhere that's great news your mil must be feeling great! 16:8 sounds like its working for you so just carry on but if that gets too difficult you can always leave it until you have finished breast feeding, we aren't going anywhere!

Tommy · 26/06/2013 17:44

thanks - will drink more tomorrow. Was going to leave it til Friday but am going to a leaving do at lunchtime and I can't resist a buffet!

Inlovewithchocolate · 26/06/2013 17:53

saf...sorry to hear your news... Keeping my fingers crossed for you.

virginposter · 26/06/2013 18:10

saf hoping for positive news for you. Hugs for you and Betsy

EagleRiderDirk · 26/06/2013 18:26

betsy sounds awful. Hope lo is ok and you're calming down.

BetsyBell · 26/06/2013 18:57

Thanks so much everyone, such a lovely supportive lot. Flowers I did have something to eat (nothing especially nutritious...), spoken to DH and I'm feeling a lot better. Just hoping for a good night's sleep and tomorrow will be far nicer.

Hoping saf gets better news from the specialist x

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Southeastdweller · 26/06/2013 19:14

We're all here for you saf if you want to let off steam. Good luck and stay strong.

Glad you're feeling better betsy.

SoTiredAgain · 26/06/2013 19:22

Betsy, how awful. Hopefully you will get a sound night's sleep and tomorrow is another day.

Successful fast day today. Level 2 of shred (first day - nearly killed me off) and nice dinner. Feeling a peckish now so will drink water and see how it goes. Only have about 25 calories to play with so not many options there so water it will have to be. Grin

SoTiredAgain · 26/06/2013 19:23

I seem to have lost my commas somewhere. Grin

akarucker · 26/06/2013 20:01

Blimey, a lot happened today.....
((((SAF))))
((((BVB))))
((((anyone else in need today))))

JB30 · 26/06/2013 20:02

Sorry to hear of your trouble Saf - early diag is a blessing as all others say.
Oh Betsy my dd split her forehead at 2, the amount of blood it was like something out of Carrie. We got it paper stitched and she loafed her head in her sleep bursting it open again. Was so upsetting, poor you on your own but sounds like you're perking up a bit. Tomorrow will be better.

Good 16:8 round my way, crap day at work as mental busy but good from a distraction pov. Nsv of size 12 trousers, ok they are a bit generous but they closed, spillage at acceptable non offensive level Grin
FD coming up tomorrow, menu planned - locked & loaded, rearing to go Wink

Southeastdweller · 26/06/2013 20:12

bssh I've just polished off some bread and cheese from La Fromagerie. The cheese was a sheeps one called 'nuns of Caen'. Not cheap but the quality was divine so thanks for raving about it the other day. I keep forgetting to go there. Really blissful to eat with a glass of red vino Smile

Bramblesinforrin · 26/06/2013 20:30

Popping by to give ooh s to all who need it. ((Saf))

Un mn xx

peplum41 · 26/06/2013 20:47

HI

Saving today's and most of yesterdays posts for tomorrows fast, but couldn't help noticing a couple of hug alerts are required, for saf and Betsy Flowers

Plus thanks to bssh for finding yet another excellent link.

BsshBossh · 26/06/2013 20:56

Southeastdweller their cakes are lovely too

MichelleRouxJnr · 26/06/2013 21:36

Hi
I hope I'm not butting in here - seems a busy thread with lots of other stuff besides 5:2ing going on.

Hope everyone who's been having a hard time is doing ok.

I've been 5:2ing for 8 weeks (have lost 7lbs Smile).
I usually fast on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but this week have various things on so changed it to Monday & Tuesday.

First time I've done 2 consecutive days but I found it much easier!

Does anyone know is there any reason I shouldn't stick with Monday & Tuesday?

Is it better to separate FDs?

I love that it's Wednesday and as well as enjoying a feast day, I'm not thinking that I have to fast tomorrow.

Any advice appreciated, thank you.

Talkinpeace · 26/06/2013 21:53

MichelleRoux Love your name!
Of course you are not "butting in" you are "joining in"
Breadandwine often does uber long fasts. Most of the rest of us do non consecutive because its easier and makes fitting in with kids simpler

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