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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 22! Put down that biscuit - you can eat it tomorrow

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BetsyBell · 23/06/2013 15:54

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

NFD = Non fast day

NSV = Non scale victory

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads:
most recent, one before that, another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the tips and links that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful.

A HUGE THANK YOU to Greeneggsandnichts for putting together all the info and resources into one concise OP text, much appreciated by so many 5:2ers!

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
BsshBossh · 27/06/2013 14:06

mttum I have a small fistful of rice.

Dotty342kids · 27/06/2013 14:07

BssBossh* do you add tinned tomatoes to those spice / veg combos?
They sound lovely btw, might try out the sweet potato / red pepper and spinach one....

Dotty342kids · 27/06/2013 14:09

haha BssBossh, my husband says similar about my shepherds pie!

Emilythornesbff · 27/06/2013 14:10

bssh I am concerned about the possibility of over eating tomorrow. Must see how it goes before committing long term to totals.

Dotty342kids · 27/06/2013 14:10

mttum, one chapatti or a handful of rice for me. chapatti makes me feel fuller so I prefer that (and I can scoop up the sauce with it)!

BsshBossh · 27/06/2013 14:11

Dotty I only add (fresh, not tinned) tomatoes to the paneer dish but that's down to personal preference as I find tomatoes overpowering to a curry (tends to dominate the flavours).

mttum · 27/06/2013 14:31

Mmmm, curry, this is my kind of forum! Grin

Off to get some chappattis now!

Inlovewithchocolate · 27/06/2013 14:51

OMG... Curry talk has made me ravenous.... It's my favourite... Going to have chicken curry tonight

Dotty342kids · 27/06/2013 15:12

Sorry folks, perhaps BsshBossh and I should divert ourselves over to the recipe thread Grin

BetsyBell · 27/06/2013 16:16

Ooh curry talk Grin - I love home made curry on a fast day too. I usually do a spinach/tomato/chickpea thing with some protein poached in a portion of it (fish or an egg usually), maybe with some dhal too. All very easy to do without much oil. I might have half a chapatti with it but usually no carbs as I can't be trusted to stop at half, or a spoonful of rice.

Mango powder Bssh? I'll have to look out for that :)

As a compromise I'm doing a couple of 16:8 type fasts today and yesterday (18:6 really), lowered calorie but 500, more like 1000 to 1200 I think so I hope this will still give me some health benefits and overall calorie reduction to keep me on track this week.

Amazingly, despite the trauma of yesterday, I didn't think to reach for the readily available G&T! I must have been in shock to have forgotten about it...

OP posts:
Dotty342kids · 27/06/2013 16:37

how is your little one today Betsy? And yes, agree that curries are fab Grin

peplum41 · 27/06/2013 17:17

Hi yes Betsy, wondering the same. Like your 18:6 plan.

Is it me or is todays thread really foody? Curry is the best. I shall have to locate some mango powder, bsshbossh! Do you just treat it like a ground spice?

mttum, I'm a lapsed vegan, eat no meat and small amounts of unfarmed fish. It's easy to be a bit carb heavy, so that could contribute to a larger midriff. It is best to treat this as long term, as more likely to stick with it. Blokes tend to lose easier, plus you get that extra 600 cals. And no totm!

emily'sbf hello, did you have a nice holiday?

BetsyBell · 27/06/2013 17:23

Dotty He's fine today thank you, he got a bit tear-y last night but he's back to normal today, in fact I keep having to remind him it would be better if he didn't run around! I feel fine now too - I think I was in shock, weird as it's certainly not the first time we've been down to A&E with a DC, maybe I always get like that but forget.

We won't go out for a meal tonight after all but we did get to eat ridiculously early instead as not waiting for the DH! I'm sure if I were left to my own devices I'd generally only eat around 11ish and 4ish each day. Doesn't really work for family life though!

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BsshBossh · 27/06/2013 17:44

Curry talk has made me hungry too. Glad I actually have curry planned for tonight's dinner Grin. Mango powder is amchoor powder. You just use eg half teaspoon for tangy sweetness. It's a nice to have spice but not essential.

3 more hours and I can break my fast and have dinner. Hurrah! Not sure about weighing in tomorrow as TOM and no gym/exercise at all this week due to work (even though I ate less to compensate)...

Betsy glad your DS is feeling better. Kids are so resilient aren't they!

Dotty342kids · 27/06/2013 18:04

Bssh mine's cooking now. Have had a few mouthfuls of this and that in the last couple of hours to take the edge off Smile

Glad to hear your DS is feeling better Betsy

ELR · 27/06/2013 18:12

Evening all, all this all of curry is def making me more hungry!
Had a pretty tough day was ok just feelin a little week till after this afternoons school run and then came down with a terrible headache came on almost intantly and thught i was going to fet a migrain! I have drank loads so not dehydration. Im not sure if it was the combo of, pilates, having hair done and fasting but it was a killer. I had planned baked cod with peppers, fennel and capers in a tomato sauce for dinner but thought if i ate something along with 2 asprins it might help so have had a portion of thick soup out of the freezer, am feeling a little better but am still really hungry as it was only a small portion.
I've got 100 calories left for the day any ideas what I could have?
Was thinking porridge with water and a spoon of thick single cream that would be 135 but open to suggestions?
Welcome back emily

ELR · 27/06/2013 18:15

Sorry for all the typos!
bsshh I sometimes use tamarind paste for tangy edge would mango powder be the same sort of thing?

BsshBossh · 27/06/2013 18:24

ELR porridge might be just the soothing, stodgy thing your body needs right now. To be honest, if I were in your situation, I'd push the boat out and add honey to it :) Mango powder has a sweeter edge to its tangy-ness whereas tamarind, to me, is just plain tart (though yummy!).

JB30 · 27/06/2013 19:18

Coming to the end of this weeks second FD - went good but I have 23 cals left and a bad craving for something nice Sad Hard to break years of post dinner snaffling, always waiting til kids gone to bed and then inhaling all manner of muck, high cal/low val. I'll have to find something to distract me, apart from crisps. I could do the ironing...but I won't Wink
Excited about my official weekly WI tomorrow, last Friday I was 11.11.4 - from my daily check scales is going down nicely, I should use this happy feeling to fight my inner fat munchy monster!

mttum · 27/06/2013 19:47

Fingers crossed JB

peplum, good point about the carbs on a vegan diet, i will try to watch out for that. Vegans are normally expected to be thin, but we can eat a fair bit of fat and sugar when we want, and also when we don't mean to!

BsshBossh · 27/06/2013 19:51

JB I keep those Hartley's 10 cal jellies in for FD puddings and/or Cadbury's Highlights hot choc sachets and dream about the Ben & Jerry's ice-cream I'll be having tomorrow on a NFD.

BsshBossh · 27/06/2013 19:52

mttum I was an overweight vegan once upon a time. I actually lost weight when I resumed eating flesh again!

mttum · 27/06/2013 19:58

Just had my stir fried veg and tofu, with a nectarine to take it up to 600 cals. Already planning breakfast!

I find I tend to be in the breakfast eating camp, although not always. If I have a good breakfast I tend not to get hungry again until early afternoon, and I also seem to find I'm not picking late at night to make up calories. Different if I eat late at night though, then I'll often skip breakfast. Tomorrow, though, a big bowl of fruit salad followed by porridge then toast with tahini and marmite, all washed down with a cafetiere of fresh black coffee. Can't wait!

Oh, I do love the flexibility. My 86 yo father, on the other hand, thinks I've gone mad, not eating "normally". Alright for him, he's been as thin as a rake all his life Envy

mttum · 27/06/2013 20:01

Bssh, I know what you mean, but I am vegan for ethical rather than health reasons so I'll just have to watch the carbs, as peplum says. Grin

amigababy · 27/06/2013 20:05

hello everyone, I'd like to start tomorrow with Friday and Tuesday being my fast days, I want to lose 10-14 pounds before my holidays at the end of August. I was dairy -free and veggie but I've been eating cheese and dairy stuff recently.

I'm half way through the c25k program too, and was basically calories counting, but cannot shift a pound, I'm hoping 5;2 will do it for me, I'm such a serial snacker and sugar monster. so lots of benefits to gain from this WOE.

taking note of the curry ideas and also soups, time to get the slow cooker out I think