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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

The 5:2 Thread number 20! Officially a score.

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 20/05/2013 08:27

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has a website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting. (I highly recommend this for an overview)

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
MummyPigsFatTummy · 21/05/2013 21:13

OK first fast day nearly over and dinner tasted FANTASTIC - chicken with a spicy rub (yum) and mixed veg. Going to have an orange shortly to bring me up to 500 cals.

Had a boiled egg and banana for a late breakfast at 11-ish and that was me.

It was tough though. My next fast day is Thursday - aiming to do Tuesday and Thursday as Friday I am with DD (3) and I don't want to be snappy with her. Would I be better going for Monday and THiursday or doesn't it matter? My roommate at work does Tuesdays and I thought it might be easiest to eat or not with him.

Please tell me I will have lost loads by next week Grin even if I booze it up a bit at the Elderflower Fields Festival at the weekend?

Miffytastic · 21/05/2013 21:24

agteacht I am the same weight as you and also desperate to be 9 something!
The no snacking article has definitely tipped me over into TIP's way of thinking and going to try to do it as much as I can. I do find I need a snack after running though to stop feeling wobbly.

I am nearing the end of fast day #2 (fasted yesterday as well) and it hasn't been awful but I can't bloomin wait for breakfast!

myjoy · 21/05/2013 21:31

rolf as a comfort eater myself, I'm trying to use fast days to examine my use of food for things other than what it is good for (nourishment). I view this as being a life long experiment and will probably be making adjustments constantly. What's working for me now is learning to feel hunger and not panic and to pay attention to why I want to eat sometimes. What am I trying to avoid, in other words. Maybe I sound like a hippy but I think we must be gentle with ourselves and try to stop the punishing inner dialogue. Or at least be aware of it.

Someone said up thread (sorry for rough paraphrasing), come rigidly to this and it will be rigid with you. Be flexible and you will find the same.

Whatever our ultimate goals we are all doing IF to achieve wellness and I think we can only do that when we look inside and out.

Southeastdweller · 21/05/2013 21:35

Just posting to enthuse about a new FD food discovery - Heinz squueze and stir cup a soups. Only one nasty ingredient (absorbic acid) so not bad compared to the ones by Batchelors and Ainsley Harriott. The one I had was minestrone, cost 65p from my local supermarket and really tasty. It's also only 76 calories!

NoWayNoHow · 21/05/2013 22:15

Wow, so good to see all these great meal ideas!

So, Day 1 of fasting is done. Having had breakfast at 9:30 I found 2-4pm the hardest as I was SO hungry, but after that I found it really easy to push on through till dinner, and I didn't even finish the gigantic salad portion I had with my chicken.

Have kept going I think largely do to copious amounts of decaf tea and coffee, and fizzy no sugar squash (5 cals) in an effort to trick my stomach into thing it's eaten.

I've got to say though - if today is anything to go by, this WOL is going to be completely sustainable. NFD tomorrow with friend round for dinner (there will be wine) so going to have a late and healthy breakfast, light salad lunch and protein heavy dinner and NO SNACKS!! Wink

Breadandwine · 21/05/2013 22:25

Agree about having your sweet treat (if you really need one) directly after your meal - before you even clear the table - as then your ghrelin "full" switch will stay on so you'll only have a small treat.

And also, by not eating your sweet later in the evening, you ensure that your hunger switch doesn't get turned on again. As soon as you finish eating, your hunger switch starts to reset itself - and you can start counting your fasting time.

I've just made a conscious decision not to eat anything in the evening. I've always been a conscientious eater in the evening - but I've found it easy to avoid this once I'm counting hours for a fast the day after. From now on, I shall declare to myself that once dinner is finished - I'm now 'in the zone'.

I shall let you know how this goes.

Dear B&W Just to pre-warn you that i will be holding YOU responsible for what I see on the scales tomorrow. I have made flat bread this evening from my sourdough starter with more flour , parmesan , sundried tomato onion chilli and herbs i.. This is entirely YOUR fault after what you said about experimenting with pizza crust .. (yummy though!_) (oh yes, and also I hold YOU responsible for the fact I broke my fast today .. )

Just so that's clear to all .. its not my fault . but his .. !

You can't get away with passing the buck like that, Laska! Where in those instructions I gave you did I say parmesan? Grin

But you know that on this WOL you can eat what you like on your NFDs - just not how much you like!

I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in you! You've been held up on these threads as a paragon of virtue when it comes to fasting - and now look at you!

What do you think Marcus will say when he finds his voice?

Perhaps the above 'in the zone' idea may work for you.

(But, having now read all the comments directed at you, maybe you don't need my advice! Grin)

Ellen, did I direct you to the GF post on my blog? Think I may have. At least you now know where you stand - and you may still be able to get GF flour on prescription. Best wishes, anyway.

Cheers, B&W (Currently planning for a 2-hour session tomorrow where my line manager has kindly recruited 20 parents and 16 children! Shock)

Lazytoad · 21/05/2013 22:29

Armadillo, so excited to hear that this diet is helping your pmt!! I was meaning to ask if anyone had noticed reduced pmt. I get it so badly and have tried so many things with no results. I am just coming to the end of fast day 2.

KaleyX · 21/05/2013 22:29

Hi fellow 5:2ers Day 1 of fasting is also done for me!
Wow, I'm rather chuffed with myself, I thought I was going to be faint with hunger but I held out until 6pm (Shock at me not eating for a whole day LOL that is unheard of!) then I had a small tuna sandwich with light mayo on 1 piece of toast and a huuuge sugary cup of tea which totaled 300 calories. I was stuffed after that which made me think wistfully perhaps my stomach shrunk during the day. I felt so buzzed today! Bring on the next Fast Day Grin

Tomorrow I'm planning on baking this bad boy, I've been craving this for the past week....mmm

Talkinpeace · 21/05/2013 22:41

kaley
glad you are enjoying it but can I be really boring and say that you are much younger than many of us : what we do NOT know is the impact of fasting on fertility.
Bulimia and anorexia are certainly terrible for it, fasting should be OK, but you need to be aware that your system is not like old crocks like mine ....

Dotty342kids · 21/05/2013 22:45

OMG Kaley, what did you do that to me for?!
Oh................

KaleyX · 21/05/2013 22:45

Oh no,TiPI wasn't aware of this at all! Do you know of any studies on the effects of intermittent fasting on fertility??
Anorexia is constant deprivation though isn't it, this is only twice a week.

KaleyX · 21/05/2013 22:48

Hahaha Grin I know Dotty doesn't it look incredibly delicious! I have assembled all the ingredients and I'm just waiting for tomorrow afternoon!
Salty caramel is heavenly.

Dotty342kids · 21/05/2013 22:51

No more talk of sweet goodies, TIP will tell us off Grin

Southeastdweller · 21/05/2013 22:55

My god kaley I was feeling sleepy until I clicked on that link, now I'm wide awake and thinking of salted caramel...will have to hunt some down after work tomorrow.

plecofjustice · 21/05/2013 22:55

"absorbic acid"

Presume you mean Ascorbic Acid? It's not that bad a thing, a variant of Vitamin C with anti-oxidant properties.

Breadandwine · 21/05/2013 23:03

Oops! That last post of mine was meant for the maintenance thread!

(Not very good at this multi-tasking lark! Confused)

fluffypillow · 21/05/2013 23:03

Well done kaley Smile great start.

Todays fast was quite good. Last ate at 5pm yesterday, then had a hot choc at 8pm last night. Had a couple of coffees this morning with skimmed milk. Managed until 3pm, then had a cup of hot water and marmite (this always seems to pick me up , as it's this time of day when I start to feel a bit 'spaced out').

Dinner at 5pm was quorn chilli with rice, runners, carrots, peas and broccoli! soooooo yummy. I have to really try to stop myself making 'nom nom nom' noises when I have dinner on a fast day Grin the food seems to taste so much more delicious!

I have also had bucket loads of herbal tea..........a life saver for me on fast days. I now have a whole range of flavours next to the kettle! Gives a bit of variety. I'm just enjoying a clipper 'sleep easy' blend, which is really nice.

Looking forward to breakfast now, but I know when I wake in the morning, I will have to force myself to have something, as I never feel hungry the morning after a fast, strange Confused

Love the feeling I'll have tomorrow after a successful fast day, you can't beat it! I always feel euphoric! and very light Grin

Tomorrow I will have a lovely lunch out with DD. She's only two, but we 'do a girly lunch' on a Weds after toddler gym Smile So I'll be treating myself to something yummy!

Good luck to all fasters tomorrow. I'll be fasting again on Thursday!

KaleyX · 21/05/2013 23:07

Southeastdweller Grin
Thanks, fluffy :D How long have you been following this w.o.e for?

fluffypillow · 21/05/2013 23:09

kaley I'm only 4 weeks in, but I've lost 11lbs Smile I'm loving it!

headintheclouds · 21/05/2013 23:12

dotty The chicken dish is from Good Food Website ,just search in recipes for chicken mustard. I do my own version to cut the calories but I use a skinless fillet (200 cals) I used 10 g grated cheddar ,1 teaspoon of boursin mixed into 1 tsp wholegrain mustard (approx 60 cals). Cut a slit in the chicken add the cheese mix and wrap with 1 slice parma ham (34 cals).bake in oven for 30 mins. It is gorgeous .. If I was clever Id link it for you but I never seem to be able to link on an ipad.

Dotty342kids · 21/05/2013 23:15

ooh, that sounds really nice headintheclouds, I'll hunt it out in time for next week's fast day Smile

agteacht · 21/05/2013 23:41

miffytastic hopefully we'll both see a 9 soon!! In the next 2 weeks?? How long have you been doing this for?
You are braver than me - there's no way I could attempt no snacking yet!!

virginposter · 21/05/2013 23:48

MizK stick with it and you will find that with each fast you think less and less about food especially if you keep really really busy.

Also I found that the first place I noticed my weight loss was from my tummy and waist so hopefully you will not be an apple for much longer Smile

virginposter · 21/05/2013 23:58

headintheclouds thanks for kind words. Even though I'm an 'oldie' I am still following these threads every day and always learning. I used to be a 'No Snacker' when I was at the beginning of this woe and losing regularly (I'm now maintaining), but over time the odd treat began to creep in. Now I too am on the NoS and so far this week have stuck to it. It's inspiring for me to read everyones tips, ideas and experiences and to see those of you who are now more experienced helping the 'newbies' so well done to all of you Smile

Itsaboatjack · 22/05/2013 00:31

omg kaley that looks awesome. Salted caramel is my biggest weakness.

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