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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Diet Thread! Number sweet 16!

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/03/2013 20:05

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
LaurieFairyCake · 23/03/2013 21:29

My favourite soup at the moment is Yorkshire Provender beetroot, horseradish, parsnip and ginger

Spicy, tasty bastard.

I had to make cakes once on a fast day - NEVER again - I swear people next door heard my stomach growling angrily. Grin

LaurieFairyCake · 23/03/2013 21:30

Also want to hear from you Minty

Are you not losing weight because of a stall, an illness, or because you're already perfectly lithe?

akarucker · 23/03/2013 21:37

laurie that soup sounds delish. Is it a fresh tub or a can? Will have to try some.

GreenEggsAndNichts · 23/03/2013 21:41

Spiral SaF etc, I hope you don't actually stop posting in these threads. I go through periods when I can post frequently, and some when I can only skim, but I always appreciate seeing your posts.

I, too, find this the most sustainable woe I've ever tried.

OP posts:
LaurieFairyCake · 23/03/2013 21:41

Fresh tub.

Lovely to meet loads of soup fans Smile

And to meet others not hanging about their kitchens on fast days doing fancy cooking. I can barely wait for the soup to heat through by 5pm Grin

keirahmum · 23/03/2013 21:42

Im a bit of a lurker on these threads but find them v supportive- to summarise Ive been a lifelong dieter but this is a WOE for life - keep posting btw HP beans 3 for £1 at poundland - bargain Smile

BetsyVanBell · 23/03/2013 21:55

laurie I've really gone off alcohol too - wine affects me horribly. I did have a glass of beer today with dinner (home made healthy curries, yum yum) which has been fine but wine is not the same anymore and gives me terrible hangovers. Not sure how I feel about it.

Mind you, I went off cheese & butter for a few weeks at the end last year - tasted weird and didn't enjoy them but I seem to have found my taste for them again... [sigh]

I tell you what, I'm a huge soup fan but I'm getting bloody sick of it [shakes fist at winter] Would love to eat some raw, cold veg & salad now please.

Nice to see we can go back to being a lovely supportive, sharing thread now! Welcome all newcomers, please pull up a chair and share your experiences. But do read all the OP and links too.

Big hello to the occasional posters who've popped up today :)

Talkinpeace · 23/03/2013 22:00

(((Mintyy))))
I am SO impressed that you are sticking with it.
For those who are new to these threads, Mintyy (the other bits of her name change but that is always in there) has been in 5:2 land since last autumn.
She does everything right but does not lose weight.
Personally I find her persistence for the other health benefits inspirational.
And would love to find a medic who could work out which bit of her endocrine system is playing silly beggars.
On the other hand Mintyy the fact that your DH is losing weight will help you both stick with it for the long term and make you both healthier people .

MintyyAeroEgg · 23/03/2013 22:10

Aww thanks Talky. Although I whinge a lot, I quite enjoy the fasting days Smile. Did one today actually as I was out to lunch with friends on my usual fasting Thursday. Had Innocent Mexican veg pot for lunch and a ham salad for supper, including a cheeky hardboiled egg.

I really will get round to going to the docs for a proper investigation shortly. My GP has said she will do the full range of tests and seemed sympathetic. I am sure, in her experience, that most overweight people are losing weight on this woe.

I like to lurk on the thread.

silverbeetle · 23/03/2013 22:23

BetsyVanBell I've also gone off alcohol, well white wine as that's all I drink. Been having 1-2 glasses at the weekend on this WOL instead of half a bottle a night which was the norm before this Blush. Don't enjoy it much any more and last two times have gone to bed with a headache Confused. Maybe I should try red or G & T instead or just give it up completely?

Had a mini fast today, waited until 2pm then had a nice big tuna salad for lunch, as lovely as it looked it would have been so much more enjoyable to eat if it wasn't so bloody cold. I have so many layers on, vest top, long sleeve jumper, large chunky cardi and the central heating is on!! Surprised I could get the fork to my mouth I look like the Michelin man, you should see me when I'm out walking the dog! It takes a good 10 mins to de-robe, I feel like one of those Russian dolls Smile

Hopefully when spring finally arrives I can throw all the jumpers off and shout 'tadar' and unveil my new body (not all of course, don't want to be thrown off the thread)Blush

Hello to all the newbies and good luck to all those fasting tomorrow.

LaurieFairyCake · 23/03/2013 22:26

Minty - have you posted what your eating on here before?

I love a puzzle - any chance your eating while asleep (I'm serious, there's someone I know who does this) ?

HollyuponPoppy · 23/03/2013 23:03

Hi all, I just registered specifically to post on this thread. I've read all the threads-all 16!-and have so enjoyed all I've learned and the amazing camaraderie here. And the incredible patience!

Anyway, I started 5:2 at the end of January, and have lost about a stone. I probably don't need to lose much more, but will continue using my new WOE now, as I seem to have completely retrained my eating habits. My DH started 2 weeks after me and has lost the same amount as me. A couple of other friends have also started, and the DH has lost 11lbs. I have experienced dehydration headaches to start, solved by er, drinking more water, a little light headedness which passes if I stay hydrated, cold on fast days, alcohol makes me feel strange very quickly, I now only eat when I'm hungry and I'm no longer the biggest supporter of the cheese industry.

I endure daily confused ribbing about my "broth days" from my fabulous coworkers as a side benefit! If any of them are lurking they now know who I am...
So thanks all- you are a great group!

virginposter · 23/03/2013 23:51

spiral,minty,saf and anyone else who has been put off posting, please don't stop posting on here, your input is very valuable and greatly appreciated by the majority who come here. We don't know eveything about this woe yet and so it's good to have so many contributors with questions and answers.
I personally know 10 people doing this woe but suspect that there may be more.
I've been here from the beginning (although I didn't post at first) and it's been interesting to go from 'newbie' to 'oldie' whilst losing 21lbs through trial and error along with many of you. Now, (even though I'm so close to target) I like to lurk a lot and let the 'second' wave take over but I still follow every day and am always surprised when someone puts new knowledge on here for me to soak up. Thanks again to everyone.

Without all your inputs I wouldn't be in this very very happy place, slim, healthy and yes I guess just a little in love with Dr MM (sigh) after all, without his programme I would still be fat and unhappy with myself Grin

Nettnett · 24/03/2013 01:06

I too, tend to lurk, rather than post, but I also follow every day, and take inspiration from all the positive and kind comments that are made.

There is a generosity of spirit here that is quite heartwarming

Like BreadandWine, I use broccoli as a base for the chicken vindaloo curry(suggested by someone many threads ago) that I have on fast days, a huge plateful, with a serving spoonful of the curry(250 cals) really does make me feel that I have had a 'proper' meal.

Breadandwine · 24/03/2013 01:31

Welcome Holly - nice weight losses you're reporting there. We love to read about those!

The thread seems to have got back on an even keel, which is good to see.

Minty have you had your thyroid checked? Probably a stupid question, but there's a thread on The Fast Diet about thyroid problems preventing weight loss.

Just been watching 'Why are thin people not fat?' Horizon programme from 2008:

www.52fastdiet.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=21573#p21573

There's a theory on there that obesity could be caused by a virus! Not so sure about that!

swallowedAfly · 24/03/2013 06:36

morning. thanks for kind words and sorry for getting a bit blunt yesterday.

have bounced up to 11.3.4 today but i really did eat lots of rubbish late at night and haven't erm gotten rid of any of it yet shall we say so i was expecting that. we had a takeaway and then i ate ice cream. revisiting old habits. it actually wasn't enjoyable so hopefully easy to avoid next weekend.

half wishing it was monday so i could do a fast day - not sure i'd manage it on a sunday as we usually have late lunch with family. will ponder.

might have a gander at that video b&w

HotPanda · 24/03/2013 07:39

Fast day for me today.
I had dinner at friends last night with a fair bit of wine. Cotton wool mouth this morning and a massive headache. Lots of water already today, I know I need to rehydrate.

From being bunged up earlier in the week I now am experiencing the opposite end. I'm sure your all pleased to know that!

akarucker · 24/03/2013 07:50

Urgh, totally disgusted with myself this morning. Had a huge eating day yesterday-well, well, over my TDEE. Although my appetite hasn't seemed to have adjusted yet, I have to say that I am feeling the effects of eating rubbish quite a bit, which is good.

The scales of course show a bounce back up again, but I expected that. I'm on ADF though so back on a fast to recover today. I'm looking forward to being able to control my eating days a bit better, but I'm not there yet. I've had years of overrating, so I know it's going to take more than a few weeks to readjust.

One day I'll move to 5:2, but I'm not ready yet. So far ADF is working well for me, and I'm actually quite pleased that I'm feeling this sort of food hangover this morning. I feel it's a good sign.

Itslifejimbutnotasweknowit · 24/03/2013 07:51

Interesting reading about your experiences with alcohol. I learned the reason why you need less for the same effect shall we say, a long time ago.

As you all know, the body reduces the food we eat into glucose and then the liver converts this into glycogen which is stored in the liver and muscles, excess of which is then converted into fat.

When you loose weight, by what ever means, your stores of glycogen become depleted, especially in the liver. Alcohol (or ethanol) has an extremely fast uptake in the metabolism and without the presence of glycogen to slow it down, does go straight to the brain. So quick effect for less alcohol!

I too have discovered the benefits of nice warm soup for lunch on a fast day. Have been on 5:2 for Since beginning of Jan and initially did not loose anything. Then began to loose 0.2 of a lb a week. Recently that shot up to 2lbs a week and while I've been on holiday have been doing a 4:3 and lost another 2lbs. I'm one of those who doesn't loose dramatically at the start of a diet, its like my body wants to wait and see before letting it go.

BetsyVanBell · 24/03/2013 07:55

I have also overdone it this weekend, like SaF said some old habits revisited and not enjoyed. Perhaps we have to endure the odd day like that just to make sure we are committed to this WoE? I've woken up feeling very stodgy and lethargic, a way of not really felt for weeks (barring the old cold). I'm not weighing in, I already know what I need to do!

There's a chicken in the fridge so I'll cook a heathy Sunday lunch (steam-roast the chicken in a pool of stock/wine, lots of veg), and if I make the main meal early enough then I get a good start for a nice long fast for tomorrow's fast day! An easy 24hours of no food.

I think I'm about 10 weeks into this WoE - I've never done any 'formal' diets before but I know from my food diary that when I've been actively trying to lose weight I can only manage a couple of weeks or so at a time of calorie restriction and that it was only too easy to let the eating increase gradually until I was firmly entrenched in snacking and larger portions again. Fasting still resets my appetite each week and keeps my portion sizes sensible - and presumably my stomach stays nice and small!

Another thought (sorry, mammoth post!), some people have mentioned worrying about eating oddly in front of their kids - I've been pretty up front about what I'm doing and why it's beneficial and demonstrating positive healthy eating - my fast day meals are some of my best as I aim to make them as nutrient dense as possible. And obviously making the point about it not being suitable for growing bodies. Having said that, the kids usually eat a plainer version of what we have anyway so they're used to seeing us eat differently to them! (Yes I've fallen into that trap [grateful this is not a judgemental MN thread face])

melbie · 24/03/2013 08:01

Just checking in. Have been reading this thread for inspiration as everyone is doing impressively well! It is nice to know it should be worth it. Today is the end of my first day fasting and I am starving but I am sure it is just the usual first day of a diet stuff. I also went for a swim for the first time in ages so I think that probably made me a bit more peckish

I only managed until 3pm until I ate and now have had all my calories and it is only 1830 here so I may need an early night Blush I have just had meal replacement sachets so I did not have to calorie count but I am wondering if I would be better having a big salad or soup on my next fast day. I was hoping the carb free thing would make it easier but there are some fab meal ideas on here so I might try them

I think I will have a cup of tea for now and am just hoping the next one is easier. I am on night shift though so will be a challenge.

Thanks for being here!

BetsyVanBell · 24/03/2013 08:02

ItslifeJim what you say about alcohol is true but I used to be thinner and drink far more - it's not a feeling of getting drunk quicker but that the wine doesn't even taste nice anymore and making me feel hungover instantly. My brain is slow to catch up with this and is still telling me to have a glass or 2 even though I don't want it! I might have a look on the other forum later and see if they've got any further info on it. I'm intrigued!

ErikNorseman · 24/03/2013 08:07

Melbie, meal replacements really aren't good. Do try to plan a good, low carb, high protein and veg meal for fast days, it will fill you up so much more.

I too overate yesterday but I'm not beating myself up, I enjoyed myself! I also discovered that Camembert is delicious!

Itslifejimbutnotasweknowit · 24/03/2013 08:23

I've spent my life not eating breakfast and being a stick insect. I learned to eat breakfast and in recent years put weight on. Now I teaching myself to go without breakfast again - lets hope that as part of this WoE I now stay slim (don't want to be a stick insect again though).

Aftereightsarenolongermine · 24/03/2013 08:24

Morning all! Not been on here for over a week for one reason or another. Had hospital check on Wednesday where specialist informed me my results were 'way better than last time'! :o but foolishly I forgot to ask for old & new results to compare!

For people who can't be bothered to read all the threads or who have a life I've been on this WOE since August & have lost 3&half stone. My BMI was 36 & is now 27.3 a significant improvement.

I have to say I had got a bit fed up with some of the negativity about this WOE from some posters (felt a bit suspect to me) but glad that is all sorted now. & I know several people on this WOE.

Thanks greeneggs for thread