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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Diet Thread! Number sweet 16!

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/03/2013 20:05

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
greenfig · 25/03/2013 10:29

oo good some fellow fastersGrin
dines I beleive it is because the body burns fat stores rather than stored glycogen. How was the concert?

plecofjustice · 25/03/2013 10:29

Right, first time ever doing a consecutive fast (yesterday and today), due to pre-Easter food-related committments, this was the only way I could fit my fasts in. Maybe I didn't think this through quite as well as I should have done, as also went back to hot yoga yesterday after a year's break due to injury, so feel like I sweated out more calories than I put in!

Feeling a little bit interesting now - I had something for breakfast this morning, which I don't usually do on a fast day, so not hungry, just a little bit out of it.

Looking forward to my vegan quiche tonight!!

If anyone has some encouraging words to get me through - that would be amazing!

dines · 25/03/2013 10:41

Oh the concert was really good thanks had a brill time. Scales have gone bk up Sad.. had plenty to drink and eat. Abit worried about easter aswell cus thats goin to be full of treats lol goin to try and do 4:3 this week or maybe instead of doin a full fast on the 3rd day jus go through till dinner and not limit it to 500 cals jus feeling abit bad as my feed days last week were not at 1600cals more like 2000 maybe even more..

greenfig · 25/03/2013 10:48

Wow plec impressed if nothing else! Can't offer anything experience wise but good luckSmile If I were going to attempt it I think I'd try to use as many of my cals in protein. Hth
Don't be Sad dines as everyone keeps asying this is a wol so you have to live! You just have to get back to it after 'the living'!!

ELR · 25/03/2013 10:56

Greenfig thanks yes it does help reminds me that we can just gain and loose just as quick! Noticed you are the same height and original starting weight was similar and now you are at my ideal weight so def encouraging.

Is anyone else freezing? I am usually cold on a fasting day but really cold today, I have headache too and my throat is sore and I have a few spots...... Moan moan moan!!

I ate a slice of toast last night at about 10 so need to wait until at least 2pm to get a good 16 hour fast in, then I'm gonna have thai prawn noodle soup which I made yesterday 250 calories a little more than I usually have at lunch but will have eggs for tea to keep within the 500 calories.

ELR · 25/03/2013 11:02

plec how do you make a vegan quiche? My mum and brother are vegan have been for the last 15 years or so but don't recall either if them having a quiche. They live up north so don't see them that often so they could be eating quiche on a regular basis and I'd b none the wiser! They are coming for Easter would be nice to make them a quiche.

plecofjustice · 25/03/2013 11:12

Hi ELR,

www.girlmakesfood.com/vegan-quiche/ is the recipe I used. I found it makes enough for 2 quiches in my pie tins, and comes out at 364 cals each (per MFP). I made a couple of subs, I used firm tofu instead of soft, omitted the milk and replaced with water and some dairy-free cheese sauce powder for a more creamy taste. It's been a long time since I had a "real" quiche, so I've nothing to compare it to, but I really enjoyed it. I suppose if you weren't dealing with vegans, you could add an egg for extra texture, but it's not necessary.

Don't trust her timings though, mine cooked in about 1/2 an hour, so keep an eye on them when they're in the oven.

Chocupid · 25/03/2013 11:45

pieceofjustice I did 3 fasts in a row last week totally unplanned but so fed up with the scales being stuck at 10.11, I went for it.
And tbh the longeri went the easier it was day 2 was a breeze, only on day 3 did I start to feel dizzy in the afternoon so I ate dinner earlier and went to bed!

So good luck and stick with. Smile

Whitecat · 25/03/2013 11:48

Hi everyone, I thought I would delurk too.

I've been doing 5:2 since the 7th Jan. Lack of exercise and christmas splurge meant I was 11 stone 13 when I started. I'm now 11 stone and really pleased. Overall it has been easy. Obviously when the hunger strikes and your belly is in knots it's not too pleasant but it soon dies down and you can regain control.

In the past I would have been at the gym 5 days a week and been off the pasta and bread to stay at 11 stone. This WOE is a real eye opener and in the long term I hope its going to be good for my mental health. Dementia is something I think about a lot, it seems to affect so many people and if this WOE is beneficial I'd be happy to do it forever.

greenfig · 25/03/2013 11:56

ELR sounds like me last week-freezing cold, gained 5lbs, sore throat but also had cough coming so tight chest & dry skin not spots. Hope you feel better soon.
Welcome white cat are you fasting today?

BsshBossh · 25/03/2013 11:57

Hello fellow fasters! Just got back from the gym and now sitting at my desk working catching up here. See you at the finish line :)

akarucker · 25/03/2013 12:03

My Tesco, Sainsburys, Co-op & Waitrose do not sell HP beans!! I have an Asda but it's quite a drive away so just checking to see if anyone buys them there before I make the trip. Maybe they're regional??

Whitecat · 25/03/2013 12:04

Hi greenfig yes, fasting today. I always come on here when I'm fasting, it gives me the spur to carry on.

I do Mons and Weds. Monday to rebalance the weekend excesses and Wednesday to get it over and done with quickly.

SugariceisaGoodEgg · 25/03/2013 12:24

Afternoon all, I've been doing this for two weeks now and it's going well.

I last ate at 6.00 pm last night and feel fine, many thanks to the Poster who recommended Psyllium Husks.

I've got one of those Veg Pots in the fridge for later at 334 calories but I've just looked and it's got rice in it [didn't read the label clearly]. Am I okay eating carbs on a fast day?, it's ringing a bell that it's not recommended, I can't locate my book , any idea.

postmanpatseasterbunny · 25/03/2013 12:24

whitecat you're doing great!

Another frozen faster here, but everyone else at work is complaining so I know it's not just me. I have parent consultation meetings tonight until at least 6pm, hope the sound of my tummy rumbling is not too obvious!

Whitecat · 25/03/2013 12:29

Thanks Post - chuffed.

Sugar carbs are fine but they can make some people really hungry so they try to avoid them. If you're saving it until the end of you fast then it should be ok and tasty.

daddyorchipsdaddyorchips · 25/03/2013 13:41

Last week was my second fast week. I hadn't weighed myself since the previous Monday when I started 5:2. So in less than 2 weeks, after 4 fast days, I had lost 7lbs Shock.

Ive been very strict to keep to 500 cals on fast days and during non-fast weekdays its been about 1200-1500 cals. Weekends I do not keep count eating like a pig.

I've had a big weekend but back on a fast today and won't weigh in again until after second fast day NEXT week. I find this way of weighing in helps me from obsessively jumping on the scales every morning to see very little difference and becoming disheartened.

Miffytastic · 25/03/2013 13:48

Reposting as I put this on the old thread in reply to BMJ

BMJ Have you lost 4lbs this week an a similar amount last week? in which case that is loads, I am only losing a pound a week probably because I am taking the 'easy' route of almost eating whatever I like in feast days. I do eat more mindfully but I am loving eating sweets, cheese,choc etc. I suppose it's horses for courses really - your are slogging but you're getting quicker results than me it seems

Breadandwine · 25/03/2013 14:14

dines just google 'exercise while fasting' - loads out there. And our ancestors all hunted on empty stomachs, right? Grin

Loving all the vegan talk on here! Like the look of the quiche, pie. I've saved that recipe, thanks. Of course I'd make the crust with a bread dough. Smile

No need for any fat in the crust, see? Smile

ELR I've got a vegan ratatouille pie on the 5:2 recipe thread which has been very well received. Good and hearty fare, which is what your northern rellies will appreciate!

(Not sure I've seen 'northern blokes' and 'quiche' in the same sentence, before!Grin)

Loads of T&T vegan recipes on my blog.

NurseEzzzaChapel · 25/03/2013 14:17

It seems I have changed what I have for breakfast on non-fast days. I usually have a pretty nutritionally vacant breakfast like some kind of bakery item, some hobnobs, cereal or toast or something like that. Breakfast for me was always about not feeling the nausea I used to get if I didn't eat anything rather than nutrition. After successfully giving up breakfast altogether on fast days I'm now looking at whether I really need it on a non-fast day, especially as it's usually carb heavy and not very filling.

For the last week or so I seem to have changed to a breakfast of: a 5k run! If anyone told me 6 months ago I'd be running 5k instead of having breakfast I would not only have refused to believe them but would also be trying not to be rude about telling them not to be so ridiculous!

I'm actually finding that, where my carby breakfasts would make me want to pick all morning, a 5k run keeps me full up until lunchtime. I certainly seem to get more energy from them than the carby breakfast too! Grin

Sundays are still for slobbing in my pjs and eating what I want though.

GreenEggsAndNichts · 25/03/2013 14:23

Well, today was meant to be a fast day, but I've broken it. This is the first fast day I've broken since beginning this WOE in August. However, my mum's just left to go back to the US this morning, and combined with TOTM, I just didn't feel strong enough to finish the day. I'm a bit irritated with myself, but at the same time, I know it's not a big deal in the scheme of things to fast tomorrow instead of today.

And I miss my mummy. :(

Good luck today fasters. :)

OP posts:
plecofjustice · 25/03/2013 14:28

Hi B&W

I was wondering about trying it with cornmeal instead of the tortilla - only I was feeling lazy and desperate for a quick meal after yoga yesterday.

I tried to make a rice crust a while ago and that was really nice. The problem I found was trying to properly add up the rice calories for a fast day, and having enough rice within budget to be able to make a decent crust.

The other thing I was wondering was using Cauliflower "rice" instead of rice to make the crust - that would take a good 100 or so calories off it. I'm a huge fan of cauliflower "rice", it's the best stuff ever!

plecofjustice · 25/03/2013 14:33

B&W Brown rice crust, if you're interested

www.highinfatuation.com/vegan-quiche/

I don't like the actual quiche recipe as much as the one I posted further up, the sugar was unnecessary, IMO, but the crust was delish!

monster54 · 25/03/2013 14:36

Hi all....

Congrats to all those reporting loses!!

I had a very relaxed weekend and ate pretty well eeeekkk....I do a Mon, Wed, full fast with a mini on Fri.

I'm hoping the weight continues to keep coming off slowly. I'm on a fast day to day and soooooo frikken cold. Managed 17 hours before having a cup of soup and a highlights.....pretty rubbish use of calories but I was TOO COLD!!!

And I'm on TOTM.....I found the weekend a bit tougher because of this. Although I know my stomach has shrunk and my appetite is far more sensible. I would almost always had portions the same size as DH but I find myself choosing to have a LOT less!!! Than I would of 4 weeks ago!!

BsshBossh · 25/03/2013 14:41

Ezzza I'm the same. Having given up breakfast on fast days and exercising on an empty stomach, I felt such great amounts of energy that I continue to exercise fasted on "eat days" too and skip breakfast. So even after exercise on non-fast days I don't feel the need for food until 1-2-ish. It's made me quite productive on non-fast days too as I simply knuckle down to work. I wasn't able to do this early on in my 5:2 adventure, but find it easy-ish now.

The thing I've realised is that I am a late eater - preferring to save my calories for later in the day.

Works for me :)