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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Diet Thread! Number 15! Our quinceañera!

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 11/03/2013 15:33

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
greenfig · 19/03/2013 11:04

Morning all. BVB is the JM thighs workout good? I need sleeker thighs, def don't want to bulk them up!
Well done CTTM that's great! 4lbs is a fantastic start it will soon start to show if not alreadySmile
V encouraging monster fab to eat more to lose more!

BetsyVanBell · 19/03/2013 11:06

BMJ I do it because if I see a raised weight then I lower my eating/up my exercise accordingly.

I gained weight without realising over the period of 2 or 3 years simply because I didn't own any scales. Prior to this my weight was self regulating. It suits me as I don't have a big emotional response to the numbers and I enjoy recording the data and comparing it to my food intake and exercise levels.

BetsyVanBell · 19/03/2013 11:07

greenfig no idea yet as I haven't even opened the box! I like the Shred though but find it doesn't work my legs out as much as I'd like.

ComeTalkToMe · 19/03/2013 11:31

Thanks greenfig, I need to not get despondent as the numbers fluctuate day by day, or actually stop weighing myself so often!

Also, I mean to say I discovered quorn fillets yesterday which at 55 calories per fillet, I find a pretty good food for a fast day.

plecofjustice · 19/03/2013 11:37

Hi Everyone,

Just wondering if anyone has combined a fast with a Bikram Yoga session? I'm probably going to have to fast this Sunday, as I'm not going to fit 2 in this week otherwise, but was also intending to go back to Bikram, having had 6 months off due to injury and illness, etc. Has anyone fasted and done Bikram and had any problems with the heat, etc?

Thanks

Daisy1407 · 19/03/2013 12:08

After my fast day yesterday i woke up today and felt great i got up at 6am and did a 3 mile run with my BF - He is alos fasting with me on my fast days - the scales for him are going down down down down - MEN EH! GRRRRR

Im on an eating day so popping out now to get some lunch

Happy fast day to the fasters and YOU CAN DO IT!

systemsaddict · 19/03/2013 12:15

Fast day today. The morning started very badly - scratchings in the loft in the night [urgh] and then dd wound ds up causing a just-before-school meltdown. I don't need to add exercise when carrying a struggling 6 year old boy into school regularly Sad

But you know what? I am really pleased to be fasting today - with everything else to worry about, it is actually a relief not to have to think about food. Planning one or possibly two cup a soups during the day, then a weightwatchers ready meal this evening. I normally cook most meals from scratch but I deliberately decided to do this in as easy a way as possible, and it has definitely helped me!

I also do find I'm eating a bit less on my non-fast days. I'm not monitoring TDEE but I have noticed that I am full quicker and eating a bit less rubbishy sugary stuff in between meals. Not at the craving vegetable snacks stage yet but I guess it is a process!

BlackMaryJanes · 19/03/2013 12:20

Betsy What about gains due to water retention?

BlackMaryJanes · 19/03/2013 12:24

ComeTalkToMe quorn fillets! What a great idea! Have you tried them yet? How big are they? Are they filling? How do you cook them?

katiegirl · 19/03/2013 12:46

Hello everyone. I'm new to the 5:2 WoE.

I've not long been home from travelling for 5 weeks, while I was away I ate quite well, mostly vegetable based meals, and have lost a bit of weight as a result. I'm not sure how much because I don't have amy scales, but enough that I can notice in my clothes and in the mirror, and a few other people have also commented. I really want to keep up with eating more healthily now I'm home (it's much easier when someone else is cooking though!), and have decided to incorporate some fast days as well.

I had my first fast day last Thursday, it wasnt very well planned though, I only really decided mid morning that I was going to do it. I was at work but it was very very quiet so I was really aware of my stomach rumbling (I wasn't at my usual place where it's normally so busy we often don't have time to eat), and the other people I was working with noticed I hadn't eaten. I ended up sharing a jacket potato with one of them because I didn't really want to say I was intentionally not eating. So I had that - half a jacket potato with a little cheese and a little coleslaw and salad, around lunchtime then nothing else the rest of the day I will definitely be having my 500 calories as late on in the day as possible from now as that's when I'm most likely to be tempted if i feel hungry. Today I'm planning to have tomato soup and a cauliflower curry. I haven't added up the calories yet but I know it will be under 500. I'm going to make the soup shortly so it will be ready when I want it and I'm not tempted by something else instead.

I won't be weighing myself for quite a while as I'm one of those who is easily disheartened by the scales. I know if I eat like this I will lose weight because I know how I ate before, so weighing myself isn't going to make a difference. My BMI has been around 31 and dress size 16 for quite a while, my aim is to get it down to 25-26, and a size 12. I haven't been that since I had my daughter (age 9!), shorter term aim is to wear a skirt this summer that I wore 6 summers ago, just because I remember feeling good then. It zips up now which is a big improvement but is too tight to wear.

I made this for my night shifts at the weekend. I've had the recipe in my file for a while (I have a massive file of recipes I'm trying to work my way through). It was delicious and really filling, would be great for a fast day meal. You could substitute the sweet potato for butternut squash to make the calories lower. I love sweet potato though. www.womanandhome.com/recipes/439499/spicy-lentil-and-sweet-potato-stew

For fellow chocoholics have a look at this site. I'm thinking about ordering a kit. chocchick.com/

Speaking of chocolate I have yet to have any sort of Easter chocolate. This is quite achievement for me, I love Creme eggs/mini eggs/malteaster bunnies etc and usually eat loads in the run up to Easter (by run up to Easter I mean as soon as I've devoured the Christmas chocolates). I will have some at some point because I don't plan to stop cut out anything like that completely, I'm just trying to make healthier choices and be more in control.

tracedw · 19/03/2013 12:48

Hi all, i normally fast on a Monday but yesterday was a Bank Holiday here (thank you St Patrick) Grin so am fasting today.
So far i have had 2 coffee's with milk and plain water, i am really hoping to hold out until at least 5 or 6pm today for a change, i normally have a light lunch at 2pm ish but DH (who fasts with me) has flown to London this morning for the week and so i'm mixing things up a bit ,see if i can hold out.
Plus those few cheeky glasses of red Wine has set me back a few hours ,last one was at 10pm last night, couldnt resist though!

BlackMaryJanes · 19/03/2013 13:22

tracedw What's it like fasting with your OH? Some days I wish DH would fast with me, but then I come to my senses - two irritable hungry fasters together? Recipie for disaster!

shoppingbagsundereyes · 19/03/2013 13:32

Hi all, am new to this thread but have been following the 5:2 diet for 4 weeks so far. Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong as I've only lost 4lbs in the month? ( have nearly two stone to lose so it's not that I'm not fat enough).
I've been sticking to around 1600 cals on non fast days, once a week I eat about 2000 and I eat 500 on the two fast days. I tend to spread the 500 through the day, so a banana for breakfast, homemade vegetable soup for lunch and something like prawn salad for dinner. If I've got 50 cals spare I eat an oat cake. I've been tracking calories really carefully using myfitnesspal and honestly haven't let a single item of food or drink pass my lips without adding it on.
So why such a slow weight loss?

artemis17 · 19/03/2013 14:01

Yes Yes Yes!!. For all you slow losers like me (thats not meant to sound offensive lol!!) finally a loss...a whole 1lb, Grin not bad considering ive not moved for 3 weeks. That takes me to 3.5lb (in 7 weeks) of the 7lb i want to lose :). I dont have my own scales, so i dont see the smaller weight losses, so its only a whole llb that i notice on Boots scales. Its got me feeling motivated again as i know it is working. :)

Dotty342kids · 19/03/2013 14:17

Blackmaryjanes I fast with my DH and find it really useful actually. He is keen and seeing the benefits for himself and that helps to keep me going on days I might be struggling. Neither of us is a "grumpy faster" though, might feel differently about it if we were!
shoppingbagsundereyes, welcome to the thread! My loss is similarish to you, and my desired weight loss is also similar! I wonder if you're not quite eating enough on your non fasting days? What is your TDEE as I suspect it might be nearer 2000 and therefore you're not eating enough? Sounds daft, but people often find that when they eat more (not to excess of course!), that they lose more.
artemis, great news! Oh, that must feel good!

shoppingbagsundereyes · 19/03/2013 14:27

My TDEE is 1800 as I'm a lazy bugger :) I thought it was best to stay well below the TDEE in case of miscalculations ( or over pouring of wine). Am considering trying 4:3 to get things shifting faster but not sure if that's a good idea or not.
I actually find fast days much easier than the 1200 calorie diets I've done in the past. Allowing yourself almost nothing seems simpler than trying to only choose low calorie stuff

LillethTheCat · 19/03/2013 15:00

Ive not done too well my first week and Im only on day 2 so Im trying to work out a plan to make up for it the rest of the week.

My TDEE is 2098.

Monday - 1200 calories
Tuesday - No breakfast, but went out for lunch and dont dare work out calories. So nothing else to eat all day, which Ive done loads of times if I have a big lunch so not worried about all that.
Wed - No breakfast, small lunch and dinner, try to stick to as close to 1000 calories as possible.
Thurs - Big lunch, small dinner (I go to a course and only have a snack at 4:30 anyway usually)
Fri - nothing till lunch (I get the shopping in on a friday so can get lots of low calorie food in so I can do better next week)

Does that sound OK?

NurseEzzzaChapel · 19/03/2013 15:07

Booo! My official weigh in this morning has me 1lb heavier this fortnight. Tsk. Well, I think I know why. I suddenly have easy access to lots of naughty things to eat since returning to the UK and, although I wouldn?t say I?ve pigged out, I think I may have eaten more bad things than usual. Ah well, I did plan to track my food for a fortnight on MFP when I got back to Britain so I plan to do that starting from today to see where I?m going wrong. Still, I?ve lost just over a stone and a half altogether so that?s something to be happy about.

artemis17 · 19/03/2013 15:19

Dotty thanks, it does feel good as ive waited 3 weeks for that 1lb., so slow but rewarding when it finally happens.. I guess as its taking so long its going to stay off once i move to 1 fast a week to maintain. Anyone here maintaining now?

Itsaboatjack · 19/03/2013 15:29

Lilleth, it sounds fine for a calorie restricted diet but its not 5:2.

If you want to try 5:2 then you need to have only 500 cals 2 days a week and then eat up to your TDEE the other 5 days.

BlackMaryJanes · 19/03/2013 15:31

So I've invested in some keytone sticks, thinking they would be motivating.

I haven't ate since 9pm last night and I just weed on a stick - result? Big Fat Negative. Surely I should of at least got a faint result? Trace keytones? Hmm

ComeTalkToMe · 19/03/2013 15:49

BlackMaryJanes I did try them yesterday, they're the size of a small chicken breast. I cooked them in the microwave and had them with lettuce but think you're supposed to cook them in a sauce, so I might try with some chopped tomatoes next time. They're protein based so I found them quite filling.

NurseEzzzaChapel · 19/03/2013 15:49

shoppingbagsundereyes, 4lb in 4 weeks is good. You're not doing it wrong. 1-2lb is the standard recommended rate of healthy loss. We all wish it would be closer to 2lb a week, but 1lb per week is fine. I always see an average of 1lb a week as being really good. I've been doing ADF or 4:3 for 28 weeks and I've lost just under 22lb altogether. A friend of mine has been doing 5:2 for 10 or 11 weeks and has lost 5lb so far.

I'd say: focus on how much more easily this WoE fits into your life and lets you have a social life and eat the things you like and imagine how you'll look and how good you'll feel if you keep losing 1lb per week by the end of the summer, or by this time next year.

LillethTheCat · 19/03/2013 15:49

I know that Its but I dont have any really low calory stuff in until I go shopping on Friday. and I did try to stick to it yesterday, buts it is kind of difficult when you first start out!!!!

LillethTheCat · 19/03/2013 15:50

calory = calorie

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