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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Diet Thread! Number 15! Our quinceañera!

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 11/03/2013 15:33

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon in August 2012, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like, or approximately your TDEE (see explanation below). Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average for a woman, 600 for a man, on those days.

You'll find on these threads we use a number of acronyms. If you're new to the threads, or Mumsnet in general, they might not make much sense.

WOE/WOL = Way Of Eating/Way Of Life. We use this term instead of "diet" as many of us see this as something to do in the long term.

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a website many use for keeping track of the number of calories they're eating.

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, quantifies the number of calories you burn in a day. This measure is best estimated by scaling your Basal Metabolic Rate to your level of activity. TDEE is critical in tailoring your nutrition plan to desired fitness goals. Here is a link to a calculator to help you figure out how many calories you should be eating in a day.

ADF = Alternate-day Fasting, as it says on the tin, fasting every other day rather than 5:2.

Michael Mosley has recently unveiled a new website to accompany his new book on the subject. Please go check them out, as he's the whole reason most of us are here!

I know a number of people lurk on this thread, as this is currently quite popular. Please just jump in and post if you're new- you'll find a lot of support here.

Here is a list of links to get you started with this way of eating. Please let us know if you find a new article or some other information online:

First things first, here are links to some of our previous threads: most recent one before that another one!

Another thread which breadandwine has started is a good resource for some of the links and tips that get lost in these big threads. In addition to sharing links, we try to condense some of our top tips for fasting there. Keep in mind, we all do this differently, so these are just tips, not rules. This might be a good place to catch up with us if you're feeling a bit lost!

frenchfancy has a recipe thread over here, please post any low-calorie recipes there so they don't get lost in these bigger threads!

If you've been at this a while and are moving on to maintaining your goal weight, there is a thread here to discuss that.

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

There's a link to the aforementioned Horizon programme here.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley himself, very informative if you're just starting.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Something to consider if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are learning this way of eating as we go along. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous threads, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting all the links re-copied and back into one post.

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
Breadandwine · 16/03/2013 00:52

storm! a 24 hour fast then 600 calories is not a failure - it's a brilliant success! [thumbsup]

swallowedAfly · 16/03/2013 07:05

morning Smile

24hr fast and 600cals is in no way a failure! and if you have that much weight to lose then 600 is bloody good as it will presumably be less than 25% of your tdee.

happy to find the scales still say 11.1.4 despite eating yesterday (home made cookies in the evening were yum). was genuinely expecting to have bounced up to 11.3 or something but things seem much steadier this week. am really hopeful for seeing the mecca of 10something next week and being able to say i've lost a full stone.

off to a community event for work later today with ds in tow. there will be lots of food as various communities and religions have stalls and food is the obvious bit of culture that people like to explore and it's rude not to try Wink so no doubt i will be daytime eating today for a change. i really don't want to go mad at all over the weekend though as i'm loving losing this weight and being in control.

good luck to all weekend fasters and try not to go too crazy non fasters but do eat. i'm finding now that my tdee is actually loads if i don't eat early in the day and i don't reach for giant bars of chocolate or tubs of ice cream.

storminabuttercup · 16/03/2013 07:05

Thank you all. I went to bed very early, grumpy and hungry. I've woken up today and I'm not hungry at all. Shock

I'm so glad I found this thread, at the min I may seem like I'm taking lots of support and have none to offer, but I'm on week two, give me a few weeks and ill be more helpful.

Back on the food today, I'm on a double shift at work so probably won't go that crazy. Tonight I plan on making pizza and indulging in a few glasses of wine!

Good luck to the fasters today!!

swallowedAfly · 16/03/2013 07:09

not at all storminabuttercup - we're all supporting each other. seriously everyone's posting helps. my posts are very me, me, me i'm afraid because i need to think it all out loud daily to keep me focussed and feeling accountable. i don't think anyone minds.

we're all aiming for the same thing and i think all of us are finding that being together in that and sharing our experiences, ideas etc helps us.

storminabuttercup · 16/03/2013 07:27

I think it really does help swallowed. Anyone I've spoken to in RL has been telling me 'that's not the way to lose weight you need 1200 cals a day etc etc' which is fine it works for some people. If I do that by the third day I'm fed up and I give up.

I figure if I can only 'diet' two days a week then this WOE is perfect.

Grin
BetsyVanBell · 16/03/2013 07:46

storm Just think how those people will all change their tune once they see you losing weight whilst glowing with health and happiness... then they'll be asking tips from you!

You did amazingly yesterday - I hadn't quite clocked you'd done a 24 hour fast! Respect! - I've only done a couple of 24hour fasts - usually aim for 16/17ish and it seems works better for me to have 2 meals on a fast day.

The wonderful thing about this WOE is it's flexibility :)

Minimammoth · 16/03/2013 07:50

Weighed in this morning at10lbs9.5oz. Which means I have lost 3lbs since starting a month ago. Am pleased with that. Managed two fast days this last week, and am keeping cals low on feed days too. But feel my spare tyre is deflating.

dines · 16/03/2013 08:07

Hi all stepped on the scales again today bit worried as it was a feed day yesterday but the scales have stayed the same smile I have lost 6lb and have been doin the woe for 3 weeks.. I've never been able to lose any weight before this woe because I wasn't able to stick to the other low calorie diets that wud deprive u of everything u loved. . I'm jus wondered about maintaining, once I've lost wot I'm aiming for how do I stay that way?

frenchfancy · 16/03/2013 08:12

Minimammoth Keeping cals low on feed days isn't necessarily helping. You should, on average, keep to your TDEE. I think that whilst 3lbs in a month is good, you would actually lose more if you weren't too low on feed days.

Itsaboatjack · 16/03/2013 08:20

Made it through the evening. Had a cup of tea with milk at about midnight before I went to bed, but was happy with that as I'd managed to stay away from the snacks.

Was rewarded on the scales this morning, now down to 11.10 after staying at 11.12 for nearly 3 weeks :)

swallowedAfly · 16/03/2013 08:51

glad you got a decent shift itsaboat Smile

pouring with rain here and really not feeling like going out to this event but i will no doubt make myself. has anyone else noticed knock on effects in their self discipline in other areas since starting fasting? i honestly feel like i've become stronger in other areas and more resilient emotionally and stress wise since doing this.

think i've been learning it's safe to stretch myself and a bit of discomfort won't kill me and will soon pass. that has far wider implications than just food.

catsrus · 16/03/2013 08:57

One of the best things about this WOE - actually the best thing IMO- is that it helps us reset our appetites and regain control over eating. Dines don't worry about maintenance until you are about 4-7 lbs from target.

Some of us have paused at that point to get a really good sense of what kind of week we need to have, food-wise, to stay at that weight. So basically a deliberate plateau for a few weeks, learning how to maintain above target. Remember the less you weigh the less your TDEE is - so we will have to relearn what the right amount of food is to stay at a stable, but lower, weight.

We are avoiding the whole "diet to target > start eating normally > put weight on again" problem.

I've been doing a 9.4 - 9.8 bounce for a couple of months and am now ready for the last push down to 9.0 - 9.4 territory Grin. I find the "no food" fasting easy on days I'm busy so I think doing that (without calorie restriction) will be my main maintenance strategy long-term - with all those great health benefits!

catsrus · 16/03/2013 09:03

You're right SaF - I got up very early this morning to get on a train, in the rain, to go to an event - I had the energy to do it rather than a Saturday slob about - which I do enjoy at times but this would have been a "should have gone to that" occasion Blush. Once out of the house and on the train I'm really glad I made the effort.

SaltyandSweet · 16/03/2013 09:48

Hello everyone, occasional poster re-emerging! I've been on 4:3 for about 4 weeks now, with just under 3 stone to lose to get to my healthy BMI (and also, not coincidentally, my happy place!). I'm 5'8 and started at 13.2, now 12.2 so very happy. Almost as good as the numbers on the scale moving downwards is the feeling of being more comfortable in my clothes and generally having more energy.

I find fasting doable, not easy (especially as I'm currently a SAHM and my kids are always demanding food) but definitely not as hard as it was my first 2 weeks on this WOE. I also think I'm over the initial "eat eat eat" mindset for eat days and I'm more aware of actual appetite and don't eat just because I can, like I would have pre-WOE.

Unlike other posters, I've found that I sleep like the dead now, on both fast and eat days. I wake more rested too. My only thing so far is that often on eat days I feel a bit nauseous in the morning, and my appetite has changed so much as has my attitude to food (eat only what you really want basically) that I need to have things in the house I really want to eat to avoid my day turning into a mini-fast which I know isn't good to do too often.

These threads keep me on the straight and narrow as well, I love hearing your success stories and how you get over little blips, helps a lot.

SuzyFigge · 16/03/2013 10:13

Heard so many positive things about this Smile Monday will be my first fast day. Wish me luck Smile x

Itsaboatjack · 16/03/2013 11:44

Thanks saf, I do feel a lot more positive in general on this woe. Even if a fast fails, it's not like the sense of failure you can get on a diet diet, you just know that you can do it another day. I think that diets in general can be quite depressing, but his woe feels a lot more positive which I agree rubs off on other parts of your life, which has to be a good thing. In fact I'm just waiting for dh to get home to mind the kids so I can go for a training run, 7.5 miles planned today. With this wether I could easily have found an excuse not to go before.

Welcome aboard and good luck Suzy.

Hi salty, a stone down already, that's excellent.

akarucker · 16/03/2013 13:02

Does anyone know if there is a recommended length of time/weight to drop on doing ADF? I've been doing it for three and a half weeks, and I'm down 7lbs. I find this really motivating, as I tried 5:2 for two weeks prior to this and lost zero! My mindset is still to binge on eat days, so I'm really hoping that ADF will help my appetite and mind adjust accordingly. BUT, I don't want to sabotage my weight loss plan by overdoing the ADF. Is it ok to continue ADF for a while (I have about 4 stone to lose)?

Minimammoth · 16/03/2013 13:04

Frenchfancy thank you for that advice. I will bear that in mind.

Breadandwine · 16/03/2013 13:27

akarucker If you're happy doing 4:3, I should carry on doing that. We have a saying on here, "Whatever works for you!"

Congrats on the weight loss so far! Smile

reikizen · 16/03/2013 13:30

Just dropping in to say I've been doing this since midway through Jan and although I have not weighed myself (I know I will get discouraged if the results don't come quick enough!) my clothes feel much looser and I can see the visible results in the mirror. The main thing I love though is the sense of control I now have over my eating. I have spent 25 years feeling fat and miserable, guilty about binging and now, bam! I can eat like a normal person. I just eat some nice things and some healthy things and don't go to bed every night feeling a failure for 'breaking my diet'. I don't binge on my non fast days amazingly because I know I could eat it if I wanted to! I can't recommend it highly enough.

LillethTheCat · 16/03/2013 13:42

Hi,

Ive been wondering about this for ages now. I like the sound of it and have a couple of questions. Is there a FAQ bit anywhere? Obviously that's not the questions, but I bet you've heard them all before and I wouldn't want to repeat anything I can find out for myself IYSWIM

frenchfancy · 16/03/2013 13:49

Hi lilleth If you read the first post in this thread there is a good explication, as well as a link to the hints and tips thread which has loads of useful info and links. Once you've read that don't hestate to ask questions. Just remember it is really simple , no foribidden foods just eat 500 cals 2 days per week then eat normally for the other 5.

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greenfig · 16/03/2013 14:04

Thanks BMJ will have a look.
Catsrus can I ask what are your plans for the last push? I am at about the same stage as you with regards to weight loss & lowering my range to 9-9.4, but quite new to 5:2. If you have stabilised, I am interested in how you lower to get that final loss. Not in a great hurry to get there as I'm happy but as you brought it up any thoughts greatly welcomeGrin
Welcome newbiesSmile

swallowedAfly · 16/03/2013 14:20

didn't make it out due to disappearing dog antics. mayhem.

have had lunch for the first time in ages - made a bubble and squeak type thing out of the left over mash and veg from last night and a couple of eggs. yummy and filling. am now having a G&T to recover from stress of dog drama who has been safely found and bathed and blowdried btw thankfully.

incidentally i noticed at the shop that slimline tonic has 3 cals per 100ml and normal tonic has 5 cals per 100ml! why on earth would anyone bother with slimline and all the artificial sweetener nonsense for 2 calories per drink? i wonder if people realise how little there is in it or just assume slimline is loads less?

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