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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Diet Thread: Part Four! Sit down, have a cuppa..

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 20/09/2012 22:36

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet. Both are two versions of Intermittent Fasting, which you can read more about here.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon recently, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.

Here is a list of the links we've gathered so far about this diet. I hope I haven't left many out, but it was a 40 page thread! This is a good start for anyone, though:

First things first, here is a link to our previous thread, which we've outgrown. Lots of good support and ideas still to be found there. Here is the thread before that..

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

is a link to the first part of the aforementioned Horizon, subsequent parts of that episode are linked on that page.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Important link if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

And for those already fasting, here is a link to 100 snacks under 100 calories. :)

Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Goof Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.

We often mention basal metabolic rate (BMR) here. This refers to the amount of energy (calories) a person uses when at rest; so, the basic number of calories a person needs to stay the same weight. This number is often quoted as being 2000 calories for the "average" woman, but of course is different depending on how tall you are, how much you weigh, etc. Here is a calculator which will easily help you to find out what your BMR is.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are new to this diet. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous thread, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting them all in one post this afternoon. wink

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

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HappyOrchid · 23/09/2012 16:03

Am now on third eating day in a row & getting fed up of food!

Am looking forward to fast tomorrow, but will prolly be starving as am having veggie lasagne for tea and the pasta always makes me hungry.

I have so far lost very little weight, about 4 - 5lb, all of which went in first month. Then have maintained, but have put jeans on today and there weren't enough notches on my belt. All v. strange.

See you all tomorrow.

GreenEggsAndNichts · 23/09/2012 16:12

Yes, the Shred is something I often recommend, because yes I think it is a good way to get a decent workout in a short period of time, but also because it's just 5 quid. If you try it and it's not for you for whatever reason, it isn't a big loss (cost relative to other videos out there- not trying to tell you everyone can afford to throw around fivers, ofc!) I know a friend who wanted a workout DVD for home and asked for suggestions. She'd seen the infomercial for this DVD set and really had her heart set on it. I suggested the Shred to her, as I knew she hadn't worked out in... ever, probably :) and could use the easy/medium/hard difficulty options. No, of course, why spend 5 pounds when you can spend 100? 100 pounds must mean she'll lose weight faster!

She has, of course, discovered it's meant for people who are already fit, very fit, who want to perfect themselves. She's all but abandoned it, as it doesn't have an easyish mode to allow you to build yourself up to the level of fitness needed to complete it.

Ending rant now. :)

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MandaHugNKiss · 23/09/2012 16:23

Perhaps said friend might appreciate the shred dvd for christmas, green? At least that way, she might end up fit enough to make use of her super-duper dvds? (gotta admit, the name of it is making me laugh; almost like what the makers think of you hidden in plain sight: Insanity? Really?!) Grin

worldcitizen · 23/09/2012 16:46

Excuse me, one quick question???

When there is weight measurement in stones so there is 11.5 or 12.7.....how far up does it go behind the point. And what is it called? Also pound?

worldcitizen · 23/09/2012 16:49

Green would you need lots of space in front of the TV to do this workout

rachelblythe · 23/09/2012 17:09

Hey everyone, happy Sunday :)
I bought the DVD last week and did my first 20 minute shred workout this morning, on level one, following the modified easier lady steps, rather than the more intense lady. Felt like i had a good work out, at times i thought my arms were going to drop off, but then each 'move' only lasts for 30-60 seconds, then you are targeting another muscle so the pain moves elsewhere! I really enjoyed it. and felt great after. as it has been so long since i did any decent exercise, to begin with i am going to just do this on my feed days for a couple of weeks, until my fitness levels increase, then i might attempt on fast days too.
I've now lost 12.5lb in 6 weeks, lost 10lb in the first three weeks, then nothing for about 10 days, then another 2.5lb in the last 10 days. I've only got another 1.5lb until i reach target, then got to try and sort out some kind of maintenance plan. I get compliments on my new slimline figure everyday now, and i can't believe how easy it has been to achieve. Everyone seems to be doing so well.
My next task is to start getting a bit more adventurous with my food and cooking on fast days so it doesn't become boring.

worldcitizen · 23/09/2012 17:27

rachelblythe do you need much room space to do this work-out???

worldcitizen · 23/09/2012 17:28

And congrats by the way!!!!

loulou969 · 23/09/2012 17:37

Hi world it goes up to 13 pounds then it's onto the next stone eg: 9 stone 13 pounds then 10 stone.Feed day for me. Had one piece of toast then a pork dinner with 9 veg counting the potatoes! Will be on fast day 1 tomorrow so will have same but without potatoes and just 1 piece of pork rather than 2.
it seems quite simple as long as you plan a little ahead. Really getting into it now and my vegan daughter has nearly said I told you so (regarding the type of food I now seem to be eating most of on fast days) Smile

MandaHugNKiss · 23/09/2012 17:37

world you need enough room to lay down and hold your arms out to the side, so not much room at all

worldcitizen · 23/09/2012 17:47

Oh thanks so much. I will try to get this DVD then. 20 minutes is something I should always be able to build in 3.4 times a week, no excuses. I simply cannot go to the gym or be locked to certain dates and times.

I am 5'3 and heading towards 40 so if I could be back down to something between 9 1/2 and 10 stone I would be forever grateful. I think I will never be 9 stone like so many years before and even 9 1/2 might not be possible anymore, but I do want to be fit and toned and have a healthy muscle mass and a better muscle/fat ratio. I think that's my aim. And yes I have thankfully not any illnesses yet, but also would like to prevent them as much as possible, which is why all of this sounds very good. Thanks a lot.

TellMeLater · 23/09/2012 18:44

manda thanks for remembering I nearly gave up, you're right I was feeling very disheartened about my lack of weight loss - 7 weeks I have waited for the scales to move and finally it's paid off.
So pleased to be back in my maintainence zone. It's so scary when those scales are climbing week on week and nothing seems to make them move the other way. I've lost 1.5 stone since this time last year and it's proving hard to keep it off.

TalkinPeace2 · 23/09/2012 19:11

worldcitizen
UK people weigh themselves in stones and pounds.
A stone is 14 pounds
So ten stone is 140 pounds
A pound is 454 grammes - or for ready reckoning half a kilo
so a weight of 10 stone 10 is 10 x 14 plus 10 pounds = 150 pounds or 75kg

American people weigh themselves in pounds so will talk about wanting to get to 120 pounds - which is 8 stone 8 or 60kg in UK versions

TalkinPeace2 · 23/09/2012 19:12

tellmelater
The thing to hold in your head about this Way of Eating is that the weight loss down to a healthy weight is a side effect of the larger aim - which is a healthy cardio and hormonal system.
You may not be getting the weight loss, but you may well be already getting the longer term health benefits.
Hang on to that thought.

worldcitizen · 23/09/2012 19:47

Talkin thanks a lot. I lived in the U.S. and there we would always talk in pounds, no-one mentioned stones, and I couldn't figure out why 60 kg which were here 120 pounds were 132 pounds?! So, I got told there is more than two "American" pounds in a kilo and I would always have to multiply with 2.2????
And I only know I am 5'3 cause I was measured there Grin

What would they recommend for a woman of 5'3 and late 30's or early 40's to be. Around 60 kg right or 9 stone right?!

TalkinPeace2 · 23/09/2012 19:53

yup, that would be BMI of around 22.5 - which is slap bang in the healthy range

worldcitizen · 23/09/2012 20:08

Thanks Talkin I have not set this as my goal though. I have put 10.5 as realistic goal and will be delighted if I get there and might even want to stay there and maintain, should there be an option of another half stone the I will know then.
Right now I am 12.10 (converted on my mobile) and I want to start beginning next month and give myself until end of March to lose this 2.5 stone.
By what I am reading here of all the success stories, it is realistic to achieve. Thanks again

worldcitizen · 23/09/2012 20:11

At the moment I can hardly imagine to get back to 9 or 9 1/2 stone, it's just so far away and I cannot remember how that feels and looks like, which is why I think envisioning 10.5 is more motivating for me.

Someone or a few mentioned small steps and smaller goals and do one after another...this might be the key not to get disheartened to easily...hopefully.

GreenEggsAndNichts · 23/09/2012 20:14

oh wow worldcitizen I am originally from the US and I thought there were 2.2 lbs to a kilo, not 2. Shock I am a firm convert to the metric system, though (I mean it all makes so much sense! Everything in 10's and 100's), so I weigh myself in kilos and convert to pounds when I'm posting on these forums.

I can't abide by stones. Wink So posting in pounds is my compromise.

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worldcitizen · 23/09/2012 20:22

Wow MN is great for lots of things. Talkin has given this great efficient explanation which I couldn't find like that on the internet, so I saved it into my phone now.
And Green now you're also one step ahead Grin MN is great

Laska42 · 23/09/2012 20:29

Hi again all, fasted again today (after a nice eating and Wine Friday and Saturday) and experimented by just having the one meal early evening instead of splitting it into breakfast and dinner. So my one meal was a lovely aubergine tomato mozzarella cheese thing and it felt really satisfying.. Don't think I could do just one meal on a work day though as I'm always hungry in the morning so, I think I do need to have breakfast if I'm going to be out all day ..

D cold and wet here though and I felt pretty shivery this afternoon because I was so hungry .. i've put the heating on!

Think ill make some soup tomorrow and will have to start thinking of lovely veggie casseroles for fast days I think..! (next one Tues) but I'm now starting week 5 (I think) and am about 9-10lbs down. I reckon this is such a doable WOE for me I think I can easily stick with it

My..this thread moves on quick!

Laska42 · 23/09/2012 21:18

have any of you been keeping up with Dr John Briffa's blog? Despite not getting any royalties myself Sad I've been advocating people read his book 'Escape the Diet trap' for a while ....which I was totally amazed at when I read it (having thought I knew everything about diets!... have been at it so long! )

Anyway, I've just read an article he published a few days ago on high fat diets and fasting in mice
here

and another one here on bread .. which does ring true with me although I love the stuff.. (but don't eat it much these days)

GreenEggsAndNichts · 23/09/2012 21:46

WC also you can just put it in to google and you'll get a reponse. Just type "60 kilos in pounds", "150 pounds in stone" or whatever you want converted, and it will do it. Tis lovely. :)

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rachelblythe · 23/09/2012 22:34

World, MANDA is right it doesn't need much room. If you can swing your arms all around you, then you have probably got enough room. Although i have only tried level 1, but i doubt it changes much, just gets more intense.
Been an eating day for me today, yesterday too. Ready for a fast day tomorrow. Bought me some glorious skinny soups to try, they all sound very tasty with not too many calories, looking forward to trying one of them tomorrow.

muriella · 23/09/2012 22:36

Laska Thanks for those links. I just got Waist Disposal from the library yesterday (they don't yet have Escape the Diet Trap). Thanks too for rec-ing Briffa in earlier threads. Interesting stuff.

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