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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Diet Thread: Part Four! Sit down, have a cuppa..

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GreenEggsAndNichts · 20/09/2012 22:36

The continuing thread for those of us following either the 5:2 diet or the alternate-day fasting diet. Both are two versions of Intermittent Fasting, which you can read more about here.

The 5:2 diet was featured on Horizon recently, and essentially requires you to fast for 2 non-consecutive days per week. The other 5 days, you can eat what you like. Alternate-day fasting is just how it sounds; you fast every other day. By "fasting", we mean that we keep our calorie consumption very low, around 500 calories on average, on those days.

Here is a list of the links we've gathered so far about this diet. I hope I haven't left many out, but it was a 40 page thread! This is a good start for anyone, though:

First things first, here is a link to our previous thread, which we've outgrown. Lots of good support and ideas still to be found there. Here is the thread before that..

Here is the link to the BBC article regarding Michael Mosley's findings, which was featured on Horizon.

is a link to the first part of the aforementioned Horizon, subsequent parts of that episode are linked on that page.

A blog post here gives some of the scientific explanation for why this way of eating helps you to not only lose weight, but improve your all-around health.

A Telegraph article which comments on the diet and gives a brief overview.

A study discussed here gives commentary specifically addressing the effect of this diet on obese people (both men and women), with regard to both health and weight loss. ("After 8 weeks of treatment, participants had an average 12.5 lbs reduction in body weight and a 4 cm decrease in waist circumference. Total fat mass declined by about 12 lbs while lean body mass remained relatively constant.) it also mentions "Plasma adiponectin, a protein hormone that is elevated in obesity and associated with heart disease, dropped by 30%. As did LDL cholesterol (25%) and triglycerides (32%).")

Important link if you are currently your ideal BMI: this appears to suggest the benefits for women at a lower BMI might not be seeing the same health benefits that are found on men at their ideal BMI.

And for those already fasting, here is a link to 100 snacks under 100 calories. :)

Another food link, here is a link to the BBC Goof Food site, with a list of low-calorie soups.

We often mention basal metabolic rate (BMR) here. This refers to the amount of energy (calories) a person uses when at rest; so, the basic number of calories a person needs to stay the same weight. This number is often quoted as being 2000 calories for the "average" woman, but of course is different depending on how tall you are, how much you weigh, etc. Here is a calculator which will easily help you to find out what your BMR is.

A BIG THANK YOU to all who have been contributing, btw. Most of us are new to this diet. All of the links above have been posted by others in our previous thread, and they've been very helpful. Sorry if I haven't given credit where it's due, but it was just enough of a job getting them all in one post this afternoon. wink

Come join us, and tell us about your experiences with this diet!

OP posts:
GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/09/2012 17:08

claret okay :) I did the same. I was just curious and thought I'd ask!

This forum is possibly more supportive than others on the site, though perhaps not as amusing. Grin

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worldcitizen · 22/09/2012 17:14

Wow green one size smaller is fantastic!!!!

Everytime I hear about others' achievements it makes me feel so motivated Smile

TalkinPeace2 · 22/09/2012 17:29

coribels
you mentioned eating toast and porridge on a fast day.
neither of those are very effective foods for calorie restriction.
Breakfast : 2 scrambled eggs will give you the protein hit you need to get through the morning. A BIG plate of steamed veg or veg soup is a good lunch as you can make yourself feel full for almost no calories - and something high protein : a little bit of smoke fish or good ham is nice.
But aim for high protein low carb low fat foods on fast days - it makes it MUCH easier.

TalkinPeace2 · 22/09/2012 17:31

worldcitizen
call it a way of eating rather than a diet
my uber fit yoga teacher is doing 4:3 - and she has no fat to lose !!!
so long as you keep working the muscles, they will stay :-)

Thelittlestranger · 22/09/2012 17:35

Have to agree...if I eat toast, all I want is more toast!

(I meant I never counted calories before)

Lots of variations on the fasting going on here. I guess the end result is we are all eating less, which has got to be a good thing!

I've lurked for ages, posted sporadically in the pregnancy forum when I was preggrs, then forgot my log in details. This thread encouraged me to sign up again - partially so I don't continue to bore my OH.

We have pizza tonight, and I'm going to have a big salad with it, in an attempt bit to eat so much. Healthy choices which I'm not used to making...I shall probably make up for it in wine though!!

BelinaTheChicken · 22/09/2012 17:44

Green that's great! I always think dress size is a better indicator anyway, since my weight can fluctuate by up to 5lbs a day (think I retain water a lot) so I'm never convinced by the number on the scales.

TalkinPeace nice ham, surely?

worldcitizen · 22/09/2012 17:59

Thanks TalkinPeace2 . I will read over this weekend and am trying to get myself into this.
All I did so far was getting rid of sugar, literally no sugar in the house, no in coffee and tea, and started to drink lots of herbal teas, cause they are the only ones I can drink without sugar, and have only one or two cups of regular coffee at the most, now even started to not drink coffee anymore, simply cause I am not craving it.
I am the person who would drink coffee and tea with milk and loads of sugar.
No coke, no lemonade, no fizzy drinks, and cake/pie only on Sunday afternoon with very light dinner.
And I am doing this for pat 5-6 weeks and have lost more than 4 kgs. And have got rid of lots of cellulite. Lots of cellulite all gone.

That's what I meant by getting rid of fat mass. I am 3 stone overweight and have noticed in the past 10-15 years, where my weight went up and down I don't know how many times, that even though I have had sometimes the same weight as before, the clothes still didn't fit even though the scale said, let's say 65 kg like before, but all looked different and clothes fit differently or still didn't fit. That's what I wanted to say what I am worried about.
cause I am hitting my 40's and I understand that lots of things will change anyway, and that losing lean mass or bone density is supposed to be an issue...

muriella · 22/09/2012 18:00

Thanks for making the new thread greeneggs. I've not posted for a little while, but finding it fascinating to hear how everyone's getting on.

I've quite significantly adjusted how I'm doing this. Honestly, I felt a bit uncomfortable cal counting so religiously and the spikey approach to cal counting was exactly what an anorexic friend used to do. On top of that, I was over-compensating on feed days, TOTM was a total nightmare and I'm the same weight now that I was when I started 7 weeks ago!!

So...I thought about how I ate normally when I was at my slimmest and I'm going to try just mirroring that. Basically I have an eating window midday-8pm, and so far I'm eating less, my appetite has reduced and I don't feel as though I am going without anything. I think it's similar to the fast 5 approach but obv more generous?

I still want to follow this thread though, it's so interesting hearing how everyone's finding it :)

TalkinPeace2 · 22/09/2012 18:48

worldcitizen
my yoga teacher is 50 .... most of my friends who are doing IF are (like me) late 40's to late 50's. One turned 70 this week....

belina
scrambled eggs on a slice of good dry cure ham with pepper on top is a yummy yummy meal.

worldcitizen · 22/09/2012 18:52

I guess it's true when they say it's never too late Smile

captainmummy · 22/09/2012 18:55

Worldcitizen - have you tried Low-carbing? You are already reducing carbs by no fizzy drinks, sugar etc. Reduce a bit more by reducing pasta, potatoes, wheat-products, rice - and see the weight fall off.

worldcitizen · 22/09/2012 18:59

captain thanks, I think I will do that. I'll keep this going until end of September and keep reading and getting myself into the zone.
And thought maybe for month of October start this 5:2 thing and leave out what you've mentioned.

But how would I be able to keep the energy up? When I stopped the sugar, I thought sometimes I couldn't keep on during the day anymore, but after about 3 weeks I had more energy then I remember for a long time. I also don't have crashs in the early afternoon anymore, usually was between 1:30 and 4pm.

So, would I still have anough energy if I get rid of potatoes (which I LOVE), bread (LOVE THAT TOO), rice and other wheat products? I will try, I am determined. I am sick and tired of the weight, as I do feel my weight in my ankles and knees sometimes Sad

Skinnyeye · 22/09/2012 19:06

Just Marking my place. Eating day again to day but not eaten much due to having a stinking hangover most of the day Sad

claretandamberforever · 22/09/2012 20:11

Well I've finished my 2nd day (yesterday was a fast day, today a non-fast day, tomorrow will be a fast - I'm going to do 3 a day) and I just feel that I over indulged even though I didn't go over the 1900 calories. I didn't really enjoy it, I can feel my arse expanding as we speak.

worldcitizen · 22/09/2012 20:20

clare it's not expanding, I cannot see it from here Grin

lagartija · 22/09/2012 20:31

Hello,

Not fasted all this last week (10 days actually) as I've started back to work and had some v stressful family shit going on. Hoping to get back to it this coming week. Hope everyone is well.

catsrus · 22/09/2012 21:41

hi worldcitizen - as you've seen some people are very keen on low carb. I'm more in the "avoid refined carbs" camp for general health reasons. So white flour, white rice and anything that contains them. I eat whole grains and I love potatoes, I have no desire to cut them out of my diet - for me this has to be a WOE that is sustainable long term, which means nothing is forbidden but some things will be rarely eaten and other things will be eaten in moderation. Last night we had a chinese take-away and I did have some white rice with my calorie laden dish Shock and it was real treat Wink.

Today was a fast day, and I was OK, lots of veggie soup for lunch, a hard boiled egg mid afternoon (I had the nibbles!) a red cabbage dish for dinner and I'm just having a glass of Wine now. Tomorrow we are out for Sunday lunch with family, so roast and all the trimmings.

I have lost 10 lbs in six weeks, my BMI was 'high normal' to start and I want it to be 'mid normal'. I love this WOE because it does not make me a slave to food, anything is allowed.

worldcitizen · 22/09/2012 21:47

catsrus this is soooooooooo uplifting. It would be very difficult for me to give up potatoes, I don't need much rice and with all the sweet pie and cake stuff and ll the refined things, well for me it's all has to go, but I do want to be able to eat well with little cake/pie/trifle indulgences on Sunday. Would make invites and parties not so difficult to attend.

What is WOE??? Ten pounds in six weeks is amazing. Your fast day sounds so yummy and I could see this working as I do not need to eat every day that much, especially if I have eaten well two days prior to that including meat, then I am more than happy to have a day without meat and with food on a lighter side.

GreenEggsAndNichts · 22/09/2012 21:56

End of fast day here. I'm glad I stuck to it, despite attending the bbq today. I didn't miss much (it was a community thing so the meat would have been bog standard whatever!) and now I'm free to enjoy some nice (naice, even!) things at the food fair tomorrow.

I avoid carbs on fast days. This has been through trial and error; if I eat some, I get hungry, which isn't a great thing on a fast day.

I don't avoid them on eating days. I'm not saying I load up on them (I avoid white rice and pasta, mostly because I know if I eat a small amount I will just want loads more!) but they do exist in my regular diet.

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hoops997 · 22/09/2012 21:59

world I believe it's way of eating, I love the fact it's not a diet cause there's so much pressure attached to that word.

Toady was fast day today and I struggled but made it, made the mistake of having a meal early on so was mooching in the kitchen this evening, won't be doing that again!

cats I hope I lose 10lbs in 6 weeks, I'll be near my goal then :)

hoops997 · 22/09/2012 22:01

I eat wholewheat pasta, is that low carb?

Thelittlestranger · 22/09/2012 22:02

WOE = Way Of Eating

Wink
worldcitizen · 22/09/2012 22:06

GreenEggs yes that's the issue, eating refined carbs means for me wanting and craving more, same with eating bread, not so much when eating rice and potatoes, thankfully don't like pasts much, only eat it if I have to.

Yes, hoops diet is not good, eating well and healthy for life is much better. I am probably always going to have to watch myself, possibly like an Alcoholic who doesn't drink anymore.

worldcitizen · 22/09/2012 22:07

Way of eating, okay Grin Sorry, am not an English native speaker, so do not always get those acronyms easily, get Confused sometimes.

rosemarysage · 22/09/2012 22:38

I don't low-carb but try to stick with healthy wholefood ones as much as possible (I prefer the taste of these as well which makes it easier). I sometimes have porridge on a fast day and I find it filling, but I use Stevia and Cinnamon to sweeten and flavour it rather than sugar. I often have something likes beans as well on a fast day, or lentil soup, and now that I have discovered how low salad is in calories I will be eating more of them as well. Grin

Like other people have said I wouldn't eat bread or toast myself on a fast day, as I think it is not filling enough for the calories in it and sometimes I am hungry again fairly soon afterwards, at least by comparison to some other foods. I am going to experiment a bit trying out different foods on fast days to see which are more filling.

For the first time in ages I am craving biscuits (I've managed to only eat a few), and cheese hmmm think it is the time of the month coming on again, a week early Angry I hope to fast anyway Monday or Tuesday as I only did one fast-day this week.