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Overwhelming need for a baby

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Sophie3451 · 03/09/2024 13:53

I’ve not posted on mumsnet before, but feel like I don’t know where else to turn for advice.

I’m a 36 year old female. My boyfriend is 33. We’ve been together four and a half years and live together in a large house (owned by him).

On our first date, I told him how much I wanted children one day. He didn’t say much but also didn’t run.

Fast forward six months and he reveals he broke up with his ex because she wanted children and he didn’t. Since breaking up with her, he’d come to realise that actually he might want children, he just doesn’t know - maybe in a couple of years. He said the ex kept pushing him to start trying, and the pressure put him off - if she’d kept quiet then maybe he’d have wanted them.

Hearing what he said about not pushing him, I quietly waited for two years before asking if he was ready. He said this was a bombshell - he’d forgotten I wanted children. He still was unsure if he wanted them, maybe he would in a couple more years. His obstacles are he thinks I’ll prioritise work over children (untrue), he thinks we don’t earn enough (untrue - we have a combined income of £130k), he thinks I’ll be neglectful and he’ll end up having to look after the baby (untrue), holidays wouldn’t be as fun, our house isn’t perfect yet (untrue, it’s beautiful), we need to be perfect together as a couple.

He says he wishes he knew if he wants them, he just needs more time to decide. He thinks there’s a good chance he might want them once the above obstacles are removed. I’ve done 4 rounds of egg freezing to buy him time. He said he’d pay half of the egg freezing, but in fact only paid £3k out of the total £24k cost. I’ve poured all my savings into making his house perfect.

For the last 2 years, I’ve tried to not talk about it, as I know the pressure makes him want it less. On the rare occasions we have talked about it, I’ve made it so clear how much I want a baby, and that I couldn’t contemplate a future without children. He has said if he has to choose between trying for a baby now or losing me, he would choose to lose me, and that my feelings and how much I want children won’t feature in his decision of whether to have children. When I’ve sometimes got hysterically upset about the issue in front of him, he says it shows l’m too unbalanced to have children.

So now I suffer in silence and hide how miserable I am. I feel so desperate for a baby. I used to have so many friends, but hearing them all talk about their babies and seeing pictures of their babies became too painful, and I’m losing touch with them all. I get up early before work every day to clean and cook, to demonstrate how good I can be at running a house, to remove that excuse for him. I struggle to sleep over the worry of not having children. When the pain becomes too much, I bite and scratch myself. I am living in limbo, just existing from day to day. I barely recognise the happy person I used to be before this happened.

I feel at 36 it’s too late for me to leave him and start again. My mum had menopause at 38, and I don’t have time to meet someone else and have a baby. I’d also be homeless if I left him, and don’t know where I’d go. I really love him, he’s my best friend, and apart from the baby issue, he’s a great person. He’s very kind, good with my elderly dad, does everything he can to help me with any problems. I couldn’t contemplate a life without him.

Sorry for the long message. I feel so alone and so at a loss as to what to do.

OP posts:
GuestFeatu · 03/09/2024 15:12

He's not going to have a baby with you. This man isn't the one.

ilikeeggs · 03/09/2024 15:13

Sorry but it’s as clear as day he doesn’t want children with you. If you stay with him then you are not going to have children but leave and you may meet someone else who does have kids.

lastgreat · 03/09/2024 15:14

Why are his reasons so nasty? He thinks you'll be neglectful?! Wtaf. He sounds awful.

Justwanttosleep2 · 03/09/2024 15:15

This is one of the saddest things I’ve read on here, and I’ve been here over 15 years.

He is nothing like a ‘very kind,’ ‘great person.’

The boiling frog in a pot analogy springs to mind. You poor thing. You should leave him, but I don’t know if you will.

Noname99 · 03/09/2024 15:19

As PP have said, he doesn’t want children. Even if we put the most positive spin on it ….. he really is the lovely man you say he is and he loves you very much - I find that hard to believe given what you have reported he says to you - but even if this is true then he’s ‘forgotten’ you wanted children because he was hoping that the nice house and lifestyle you have with him is enough. He doesn’t want children. He’s told you over and over again. Again putting the most positive spin possible, may be he loves you so much the thought of you leaving is awful enough for him to sometimes say he might want them but its not what he wants is it? You know this ….you are just deluding yourself because it’s not what you want to hear. He doesn’t want children. Don’t force him into being a father. That’s a far worse thing to do to a child than your worry of deliberately having a child with no father.

Men need to stop lying to women and pretending they might want kids when they don’t regardless of how they feel about the women.

Women need to stop pressuring men into fatherhood or making them ‘accidental’ fathers

Leave him or accept a child free life.

RedRedRobot · 03/09/2024 15:19

I'm sorry, he doesn't want children. You can either accept a childless life with him or leave him and have the possibility of a family.
It sounds like he has a lovely house but he sounds like a cruel man, knowing you want children and wasting your time. He really doesn't sound good.
Be grateful you are only 36, you have your eggs frozen, you have time to get out and start your life without this time waster. You might meet someone or you could have a child by yourself, but don't waste any more time in this horrible limbo. Life is too short.

Ps I divorced a man who had half heartedly gone along with trying for a child at 35. The relationship fell apart for various reasons but my wanting a child and his lack of commitment was a big part. Luckily I met someone lovely soon after and we are ttc - I don't know if it will work out, but I'm in a better place and more loving relationship anyhow.

Good luck to you

Ava27268 · 03/09/2024 15:28

Oh OP. I really feel for you. He doesn’t want children. Not with you, or anyone. Is it not better to explain to a sperm doner baby that their daddy wanted to help mummies to have children that they desperately loved? Than to have a father who didn’t want them to be born?

AnnaMagnani · 03/09/2024 15:33

His reasons for not having a child are just so offensive to you and the relationship.

If he'd said 'it's not for me' fair enough.

What he's actually said is maybe, as long as he doesn't have to lift a finger. Oh and he doesn't trust you to be capable.

For that alone you should dump him, he's supposed to be your biggest supporter and instead he says you are crap to your face.

ginasevern · 03/09/2024 15:38

He doesn't want children, no matter how much you cook, clean or cry and beg hysterically. Nothing you do, or don't do, will change his mind. Not everyone wants kids and actually fewer men than women do. You have 3 choices. You say you really love him, so you can stay with him and build a life without children. It is perfectly possible to have a happy and fulfilled life without them. You leave him and hopefully meet someone else who really does want children or you go it alone with a baby. Either way, it is decision time.

Lwrenn · 03/09/2024 15:52

@Sophie3451
Make plans to leave, he doesn't want a child with you, or anyone.

I'll probably be shot down for suggesting this but I've single friends (by choice) who chose to become single parents and quite honestly, they're much happier as are their dcs that the children who's parents are stressed out from everything from unhappy relationships to contact arrangements.
The threads on here of miserable mothers having to do everything whilst husbands do fuck all or worse such as a post today, having to share custody of their precious children with horrible exes.
My friends used websites where men wanted to have a child but not provide or be involved day to day, but would happily meet their dc if ever asked. Gave information over regarding any family genetic problems etc, of course they could be lying but I was actually married to a man who'd lied to me about something and I discovered it during my first appointment with a midwife.

You need to get a home sorted and go single if the pull is that strong, don't waste you money and time any longer x

poppymango · 03/09/2024 15:59

Sophie3451 · 03/09/2024 14:46

It’s just so hard to leave, knowing that meeting somewhere else and getting to know them well enough to start a family will take years, and there’s no guarantee the eggs I’ve got in the freezer will be any good. There’s the hope that if I stay then he might decide he wants them soon, and I might still be young enough to get pregnant naturally.

I know it feels that way, but please believe me when I say that 1) you are still very young! and 2) it needn't take years and years. Honestly. I split up with a long term horror of a partner in autumn 2022. Fast forward two years and I'm happily planning my future and trying for a baby with the most wonderful man.

The longer you put off facing up to the inevitable fact that your current boyfriend doesn't want children, the longer you will have to wait to have the family you want. In staying with him, you are settling for less than you want and less than you deserve. Don't bother with an ultimatum - you run the risk of him resenting you and your children and possibly leaving you to do it alone.

You should be with someone who wants it as much as you do, and who respects you enough not to string you along while pretending that he might change his mind (but only if you don't bring it up). To be clear, your current boyfriend sounds emotionally manipulative and a walking red flag. You deserve MUCH better.

Sending love.

Sophie3451 · 03/09/2024 16:14

RedRedRobot · 03/09/2024 15:19

I'm sorry, he doesn't want children. You can either accept a childless life with him or leave him and have the possibility of a family.
It sounds like he has a lovely house but he sounds like a cruel man, knowing you want children and wasting your time. He really doesn't sound good.
Be grateful you are only 36, you have your eggs frozen, you have time to get out and start your life without this time waster. You might meet someone or you could have a child by yourself, but don't waste any more time in this horrible limbo. Life is too short.

Ps I divorced a man who had half heartedly gone along with trying for a child at 35. The relationship fell apart for various reasons but my wanting a child and his lack of commitment was a big part. Luckily I met someone lovely soon after and we are ttc - I don't know if it will work out, but I'm in a better place and more loving relationship anyhow.

Good luck to you

Thanks. Well done for walking away and I’m so glad things have worked out for you. Very best of luck to you with ttc, I’ll have my fingers crossed for you.

OP posts:
Sophie3451 · 03/09/2024 16:15

poppymango · 03/09/2024 15:59

I know it feels that way, but please believe me when I say that 1) you are still very young! and 2) it needn't take years and years. Honestly. I split up with a long term horror of a partner in autumn 2022. Fast forward two years and I'm happily planning my future and trying for a baby with the most wonderful man.

The longer you put off facing up to the inevitable fact that your current boyfriend doesn't want children, the longer you will have to wait to have the family you want. In staying with him, you are settling for less than you want and less than you deserve. Don't bother with an ultimatum - you run the risk of him resenting you and your children and possibly leaving you to do it alone.

You should be with someone who wants it as much as you do, and who respects you enough not to string you along while pretending that he might change his mind (but only if you don't bring it up). To be clear, your current boyfriend sounds emotionally manipulative and a walking red flag. You deserve MUCH better.

Sending love.

Thanks for your kind advice, and good luck with ttc, I really hope it works out for you. Sending love back to you.

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Itneverrainsinsocal · 03/09/2024 16:25

@Sophie3451 what a horrible situation. Having a baby is an incredible thing, but it is completely life changing, and no matter how much you want it, you don't know how you will find it. What if you got post natal depression / anxiety? This man hasn't shown any sign that he would be supportive in any way. It may not be as simple as you being able to 'run everything' to ensure that his life doesn't change once a baby arrives. There will be very testing days / nights where you need support from a loving partner who's willing to parent 50/50 with you.

I think you can walk away from this knowing you really gave it your all, so no regrets. It doesn't sound to me like he will be changing his mind. I know that intense anxiety feeling where you just want to scratch your skin off - trust me its no way to live and definitely not when its caused by stress created by your partner. Having a baby can intensify any leaning towards anxiety that you already have. And btw its not a shortcoming to be an anxious person, but you have to accept yourself as you are and make a wise choice of partner, for the sake of yourself and any future kids. I'd leave and put everything into meeting someone else that wants children as much as you do.

Have you confided in friends or family IRL? What do they say?

BabyShaark · 03/09/2024 16:34

I don’t think you and your partner are a good fit.

Stay with him if you can imagine a future without children. That said, you might split up with him over other reasons at some point, and might look back regretting not having done it earlier (when getting pregnant naturally was still easier).

Judging from your post, you cannot imagine a future without children. So reorganise your life and find a partner who does.

36 is not too old for that. I didn’t meet my DH until I was 38 1/2 (the halves start counting again at that age 😸)

We ttc when I was 40, had DD when I was 41. You’re a spring chicken. Even if it takes longer (and considering your mum’s early menopause), you have your eggs. You could in theory have kids at 60 😸

Not with your current partner though, his view on the matter is abundantly clear.

RedHelenB · 03/09/2024 16:44

Sophie3451 · 03/09/2024 15:10

In his defence he has told me I should be imposing a deadline on him, and not telling him what it is, and that if he hasn’t made his mind up by the deadline that I should leave him.

So do that then. My suggestion for the deadline would be tomorrow, he isn't going to change his mind.

Sophie3451 · 03/09/2024 16:56

Itneverrainsinsocal · 03/09/2024 16:25

@Sophie3451 what a horrible situation. Having a baby is an incredible thing, but it is completely life changing, and no matter how much you want it, you don't know how you will find it. What if you got post natal depression / anxiety? This man hasn't shown any sign that he would be supportive in any way. It may not be as simple as you being able to 'run everything' to ensure that his life doesn't change once a baby arrives. There will be very testing days / nights where you need support from a loving partner who's willing to parent 50/50 with you.

I think you can walk away from this knowing you really gave it your all, so no regrets. It doesn't sound to me like he will be changing his mind. I know that intense anxiety feeling where you just want to scratch your skin off - trust me its no way to live and definitely not when its caused by stress created by your partner. Having a baby can intensify any leaning towards anxiety that you already have. And btw its not a shortcoming to be an anxious person, but you have to accept yourself as you are and make a wise choice of partner, for the sake of yourself and any future kids. I'd leave and put everything into meeting someone else that wants children as much as you do.

Have you confided in friends or family IRL? What do they say?

Thanks. Yes I’ve spoken to friends and family. My family think I need to leave him asap, but my friends all really like him and think I should wait for him to come round. We’ve both spoken (separately) to his friends too - his friends agreed he needed to make his mind up, but said they think when he does he’ll decide he does want children, which obviously gave me hope.

OP posts:
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/09/2024 17:05

Sophie3451 · 03/09/2024 14:46

It’s just so hard to leave, knowing that meeting somewhere else and getting to know them well enough to start a family will take years, and there’s no guarantee the eggs I’ve got in the freezer will be any good. There’s the hope that if I stay then he might decide he wants them soon, and I might still be young enough to get pregnant naturally.

He won't. There is zero chance he will wake up tomorrow and decide he wants to have a baby with you.

Every day you stay with this future faker is a day you're not free to meet someone who actually wants to have a family with you.

peoplewatched · 03/09/2024 17:10

I didn't want children but dh did, I was so in love with dh I had a baby so i didn't lose him.
Said child is a grown up now with learning difficulties, autism and ADHD I have accepted that he will always need my care and never move out.
Dh couldn't cope so with the demands of a child with disability.
I've done all this on my own.
Don't get me wrong I love son very much but it's a big commitment especially if you're only half sure it's what you want.

ActualChips · 03/09/2024 17:10

You need to have laser focus and concentrate solely on housing yourself and finding a better man who won't string you along.
Every hour you throw away analysing this scammer of a man is an hour gone. He's got you like bait on a hook, draining your savings and robbing you of your fertile years. Step in to your life and take action, every hour counts at this point. He's openly goaded you into dumping him with his dickish deadline comment. Take him up on his offer and get him dumped.

Olika · 03/09/2024 17:12

I think you should walk away. This man doesn't want children and even if he does in let's say in 10 years time it's too late for you. Putting that aside the things he says to you are just horrible. This is not the kind of man to have children with, to build life with. It doesn't sound like he actually even respects and values you. I understand you love him and have hopes for you two but it's not enough. You need to be compatible, a team that works together towards the same goal. You should be with a man that has your back and supports you. Man who knows what he wants and does what he says. When you being a child into a relationship it put a certain pressure on both of you that lots of couple are not able to handle and based on what you have told about him I am afraid this man will walk when it gets hard and both of you are sleep starved on a level you have never experienced.
I walked away from my ex and I met my now DH 6 weeks later. We have a DD and I am so content and my soul is in peace. I know I am with the right person. There is no guarantee you will meet someone else but throwing your life away with a man like this is not the solution either. Don't stay with him out of fear.

yellowroses78 · 03/09/2024 17:12

He's behaved terribly. These are the years for you to start having kids and he's knowingly wasting them. It's one of the worst things a man can do to a woman in my opinion.

Itneverrainsinsocal · 03/09/2024 17:14

Sophie3451 · 03/09/2024 16:56

Thanks. Yes I’ve spoken to friends and family. My family think I need to leave him asap, but my friends all really like him and think I should wait for him to come round. We’ve both spoken (separately) to his friends too - his friends agreed he needed to make his mind up, but said they think when he does he’ll decide he does want children, which obviously gave me hope.

Do any of his friends / family have young children? Just trying to get an idea of how much insight he has into family life. I think it's quite telling that your family feel you should leave. Family often see more clearly how a relationship is impacting us, whereas with friends we don't often spill all the horrible details.

I think, bottom line, its such a huge, fundamental issue to disagree on. And its a red flag that he has never been certain, and it's not like it's been a few months, its been years... he might be sitting there thinking the same way you are but in terms of never having children. I.e. "she's waited this long and she's getting older, which gives me a bit of hope that she will drop the issue soon..."

saveforthat · 03/09/2024 17:19

He has you well trained. You keep quiet so he doesn't have to talk about it and then when you (understably) get upset, he uses that against you. Why do you want children with this piece of shit. Leave him and pursue single parenthood. He will never want children with you.

Tigerlilies82 · 03/09/2024 17:22

Sophie3451 · 03/09/2024 14:46

It’s just so hard to leave, knowing that meeting somewhere else and getting to know them well enough to start a family will take years, and there’s no guarantee the eggs I’ve got in the freezer will be any good. There’s the hope that if I stay then he might decide he wants them soon, and I might still be young enough to get pregnant naturally.

It will not take years once you meet the right person, who is on the same page as you. I met my DH at 39, married at 40, first baby 41 and currently pregnant with second baby at 42. In my late 20s/early 30s I dated a guy for seven years who theoretically wanted marriage and children, just never sure when and he had all the same excuses/concerns your DP has. I wasn't sure I wanted kids myself at that point or at least was fine not having them so it wasn't a dealbreaker but I ended up ditching him anyway, life is too short to wait around on someone who is lukewarm on the relationship and afraid of responsibility and commitment. You may not meet someone else, but it sounds like you have a far better chance of meeting someone than things ever working out the way you hope with this guy. You deserve far better than what he is giving you.

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