Is 8.30am acceptable time for piano practise?

[Minimimimi]

We live in a semi and our piano is on the side of our neighbours (not by choice- but only place available due to position of heating et al)
Both my children plays the piano and I have always made sure that piano practise is during acceptable hours 6-7pm during term hours and after 10am weekends.

However- due to lockdown- my sons actual lessons are now at home, weekends 8-10am. (Normally we go to the teachers house at 8am)

I have done everything I can to delay touching the piano first thing and the first 30 minutes is spent on theory, thus the noise starts at 8.30am.

The children are grades 4 & 5 and they are actually playing the piano rather than piano bashing. Youngest is age 7 and still go to sleep very early. The piano teacher does not have any other slots.

Is 8.30am too early?
Does anyone know the legality of piano playing at such hours?
AIBU?

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Depends on your neighbours. We wouldn't be happy with it as we work Mon to Fri so like to have a bit of a sleep in on the weekends.

If they are early birds then they might not mind.

Too early. Dh plays music at that time on the weekend and it irritates me even if I'm awake. We're detached so the neighbours can't hear it.

I had a bad (lockdown) day yesterday, stayed up late watching West Wing, someone's car/house alarm went off this morning, I was murderous, if I knew that my Sundays were going to be disturbed on a regular basis I would not be happy.

YABVVU - but I suspect you know this.

I also agree that it completely depends on your neighbors and think that you should just talk to them about it.

8.30amI would consider to be fine. In fact any time after 6am would be fine. I'm always surprised at the number of people on MN who would consider it to be too early.

On a weekend?? Really?

The only people I know who get up that early on a weekend either have very young children or are working. Even those with young children may still have one adult having a lie-in. The house opposite me have a child who plays drums and his drum kit is in a shed in the garden. They used to let him practice early on a Sunday until all the surrounding houses complained at being woken up/disturbed so early on a weekend. There was also one morning when he snuck out at 6.30 and woke the whole street!

There are rules about building work on a weekend due to the noise so of course it's unreasonable to play music loudly early in the morning.

Yes, but you can do building work from 8 am can't you - so 8:30 clearly would be absolutely fine for music practice.

Far too early not till 10 am.

@onemouseplace

Yes, but you can do building work from 8 am can't you - so 8:30 clearly would be absolutely fine for music practice.

It depends on your local council but most don't allow any noisy building work on a Sunday and bank holidays.

@onemouseplace

Yes, but you can do building work from 8 am can't you - so 8:30 clearly would be absolutely fine for music practice.

Most considerate people wouldn't though, especially on a weekend.

And honestly, if you want a good relationship with your neighbours you really should be mindful of excessive noise early in the morning. It's just basic respect 🤷🏼‍♀️

My council rules on construction:

Construction works involving building new properties or extending existing ones are typically undertaken by construction companies or builders and in these cases it is recommended that the hours for noisy activities be limited to between 8am and 6pm Monday to Friday, 8am and 1pm Saturday, and not at all on Sunday or Bank/Public holidays. Contractors should also ensure that they employ the principle of ‘best practicable means’ to limit the noise generated.

Not at all on Sunday or bank holidays.

8.30 am wouldn't bother me at all, I've been awake for hours by this point, and DH (who is an owl to my lark) can sleep through anything. Since they can actually play the piano I don't think you should worry too much, most people won't be bothered and might quite enjoy it, but a thread like this will attract the kind of people who will complain. Good thing none of them live in the countryside, the farming day starts well before 8.30am.

Rather than asking randoms on Mumsnet, please just talk to your neighbours. It all depends on their situation. 8:30am wouldn't bother me at all, even though I work from home, but then I'm an early riser, also piano practice doesn't bother me, so perhaps I'm not typical.

Your neighbours will appreciate it if you consult with them. It shows consideration, and they will be more cooperative.

I was going to say this :
Speak to the neighbours. They are the only opinion that matters.

As there are plenty of people who are up and about at that time - generally parents of little ones, and the long retired (going by my road WhatsApp Group)
but now I see that they have already asked you not to, and that they think it is too early, then you know where you stand.
Of course there is no specific law about it - I'm surprised you think there would be - but what you have to decide is do you go with what your neighbours would prefer, or carry on, even though you know they aren't happy about it.

I too am surprised there really is no time other than that early on a Saturday morning. But you make your own decision depending on how much it bothers you that you are planning to do something every week that is going to really annoy your neighbours.
Obviously you are then foregoing your right to expect their older dc not to play their music at midnight, when they are likely to be up. Depends how much that bothers you.

Speak to your neighbour.... Every situation is unique... my daughter practises at 6.30/7am every school day, then in the evenings. No mornings on a Saturday and Sunday is later in the morning usually. We share a wall with another family. They are up from 5.30am, every day, they delight hearing her and are very encouraging. I have considered moving homes but wouldn't go to a house with a shared wall, because of our early mornings

It's hard at the moment from both sides because music lessons are happening at home but it also means neighbours are likely to be at home more than pre-covid. DD1 plays a brass instrument (she's a decent player, grade 8 standard) and usually attends a junior music conservatoire on a Saturday morning. When lockdown kicked in, her 9am jazz band took place remotely, from our terraced house. She used a mute but felt bad about playing so early on a Saturday even though we'd checked with the neighbour who was fine about it and, thankfully, more then happy to hear DD1 playing. When it came to registering for this year, I put in a request not to have early morning brass for the sake of the neighbours.