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Music Specialist School Discussion

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Kutik73 · 10/06/2018 22:58

Sorry, this is rather long…

We’d never considered specialist school route for our musical DS, especially at such a tender age (he is Y6). However, we’ve recently started seeing it could be an option in possibly near future.

The state secondary school DS is supposed to start from September has good reputation with a wide range of extracurricular activities and music is one of their strengths. However, they also hand out heavy amount of academic work daily, and basically keep their pupils pretty busy. Keeping teens busy could be a good thing, especially for those who may get in trouble or glue themselves to screen otherwise. But DS loves music and he likes to immerse himself in music more, but in reality, he’ll have less time for such freedom once he starts secondary school. The additional journey time is another thing. It takes 45 mins to get there, whereas it’s only 5-10 mins currently.

A friend suggested we could see specialist school as a small private school with strong music activities rather than a place where all DCs were aiming to be professional musicians.

Her logic is, the class size is a lot smaller than the state secondary school so pupils get more attention hence learn more efficiently, all the while there is no compromise in music studies. DCs who are keen to keep up academic work on top will manage to get good enough GCSE results for decent sixth form if they decide to pursue other than music for A level/uni. Although sixth form seems the most popular (and sensible) time to join specialist school, KS3 is actually the best time because if DCs change their mind on course, it’s easier for them to return to ‘normal education’ possibly at sixth form with good enough academic record and musical ability strong enough to be a music scholarship material. But if they stay focused on music and in fact decide to take it seriously, starting early will only become beneficial. Though, it depends on circumstance of course, and instrument. DS plays violin/piano for instance - hence early start can be rather important.

However, I heard and read some scary stories about music specialist school while I was researching. Some claimed they felt like they were living in a prison, some expressed unhappiness (even though they recognised the benefit and appreciated their fortunate position), some teachers talked about very able young musicians going to specialist school as a huge mistake, etc…

DS innocently expresses strong desire to go to music specialist school. I, as a parent, wish him happiness more than anything. By accepting his desire and letting him go where he says he likes to go, am I pushing him into a harsh and scarily competitive world unnecessarily? Or, like my friend suggested, it could be a lot more flexible than I may have been thinking and in fact could be good alternative KS3 education for musical and academic DCs?

Any thoughts/knowledge/experience would be greatly appreciated…

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claraschu · 28/06/2018 20:51

Sounds like you have it all thought out!

I know a few of them used to get a diploma, but I doubt that more than a couple (if that) take exams. It sounded like you were concerned about arranging the exams, so I was just saying I don't think there is any reason to bother.

The pupil at the school might have been talking about internal exams too. At YMS they all play Bach at the end of one term, scales and etudes at the end of another, and a short piece (often virtuosic) at the end of the third term. Some of the kids take it seriously, and others barely notice it...

hertsandessex · 28/06/2018 22:54

In our experience also interest in exams fades away although depends a bit on the teacher. However, the school does take of exams when needed and there is an ABRSM exam session at the school. My son told us last week that he was doing grade 8 this week (not on main instrument) His teacher had just booked and neither teacher or son wanted to tell us in case we started worrying or pressurising. We haven't even been asked to pay for it although I guess we will be billed next term. Personally while not needed to be a musician I still think useful to have when it comes to getting teaching jobs.

PS went to an amazing concert at school tonight and reminded me how brilliant it is. Just incomparable to anything I've seen at several normal quite musical schools, state and private.

Kutik73 · 28/06/2018 23:05

Personally while not needed to be a musician I still think useful to have when it comes to getting teaching jobs
I am totally with this.

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Kutik73 · 30/06/2018 15:43

Oh dear, seriously a problem here. We worked out how much we have to pay based on our gross income and sort of decided we could just manage the fee. But someone just told me the amount of bursary would also be affected by the house value you own. Is it true? I must check with the school but it'll be on Monday... We didn't include that on our sum so if our property affects the amount of the fee we have to pay we may have to give up. I don't think we can pay the full fee, no way... I think it's more likely as that's how other independents' bursary works...

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Paulweller11 · 30/06/2018 15:55

Our MDS scheme doesn’t ask for house value- I think it’s the same for all the specialist music schools x

2ndSopranos · 30/06/2018 15:57

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hertsandessex · 30/06/2018 15:57

No nothing to do with house value or any other assets for that matter (unlike bursaries for independents). You could have £1million cash in bank and wouldn't matter. It is the income that counts.

hertsandessex · 30/06/2018 16:00

PS the above comment refers to the MDS element which is the same for all the schools. Of course there may well be extra bursaries or scholarships offered by the school which could be a different story and more like normal independents.

claraschu · 30/06/2018 16:22

They don't ask house value. I think that unless you have a very large income you will get significant financial aid.

folkmamma · 30/06/2018 16:31

Wading in on the bursary chat... is the same criteria applied for the MDS towards Conservatoire fees?? When you say 'a large income' what sort of range are we talking...?? Trying to assess our chances!!! Thanks

hertsandessex · 30/06/2018 16:36

Rough guide - - total income from all sources £30k then pay £1.7k boarding, 50k then 4.8k, 80k then £10k and gradually increasing up to 185k income. (Various deductions for other children etc.)

hertsandessex · 30/06/2018 16:37

Various other non-MDS bursaries/scholarships also available depending on circumstances.

folkmamma · 30/06/2018 16:44

Thanks! That's really helpful. We're in a non-boarding situation hoping for MDS (or equivalent) help with JD fees but worrying about whether we will qualify for any assistance as on paper we earn a 'reasonable' wage (of which every penny already goes out on living and music lessons 🙈)

Paulweller11 · 30/06/2018 17:51

2nd Soprano- glad she enjoyed it

SwayingInTime · 30/06/2018 18:20

It does seem a bit bonkers that it’s assessed on entirely income rather than assets but I suppose it would cost so much more to make a more accurate means testing that it would cut into the money available to fund awards.

Kutik73 · 30/06/2018 19:57

Thanks for rescuing me from the panic attack! As someone wise told me I just have to complete the form ASAP and find out the exact amount. Hopefully our work out is it too far off the reality.

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Kutik73 · 30/06/2018 20:49

Swaying, maybe I am being naive but I don't see it 'bonkers' but rather 'oasis'! I am slightly fed up with being placed in the black zone - not poor enough yet not rich enough....

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Kutik73 · 30/06/2018 20:51

Hopefully our work out is it too far off the reality. = Hopefully our work out IS NOT too far off the reality....

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Kutik73 · 30/06/2018 20:52

2nd Smile

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SwayingInTime · 30/06/2018 22:21

I know that feeling Kutik! I actually meant outgoings not assets, was typing before thinking. I think there must be a wider range of financial situations among applicants now (compared to when the scheme began) mainly due to to house prices, especially in London.

SwayingInTime · 30/06/2018 22:22

And I hope your calculations prove correct, we are still waiting to hear for next year, it’s very st

SwayingInTime · 30/06/2018 22:23

Again with the fast typing!

...Very stressful.

Kutik73 · 30/06/2018 22:25

Gosh, so we won't know how much we have to pay every year until this late?? That would be super stressful...

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SwayingInTime · 30/06/2018 22:52

We are awarded money by the Choir School Association and one other body who seem to make it up every year and make you fill in a huuuge form and have someone visit you (to check you aren't hiding a supercar collection I presume) and then they have a meeting and then faff around some more and then ignore your emails for a bit and then maybe give the school some money, by which point theyve usually threatened legl action Shock. I am hoping the MDS are a bit more organised!

Kutik73 · 30/06/2018 23:05

Shock[shockShock

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