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June Music Thread

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Fleurdelise · 01/06/2017 08:00

Hello all and welcome to the June thread! Waffle did me the honours of asking me to initiate this thread as she has no access to Internet while on holiday.

This thread was first initiated by Waffle when Goo was 6 and now she's 11. It is a thread for all the musicians, big and small, to share their love (and frustrations Grin) during the long path of learning an instrument. I first joined when dd was 7 and in the process of preparing for grade 1 piano for moral support. If you read the ending of the May thread you'll realise I am still a nervous reck Smile here we are now, two years later, Dd is 9 and preparing for grade 5 piano and grade 3 clarinet, the exams are in exactly 13 days. I also have DS 15 who is in the middle of his GCSEs at the moment, he has no musical interest.

As I couldn't leave Waffle without an introduction, below is a quote from the May thread. The only correction is that I believe Rara has now turned 9. Smile

I have two daughters. Goo is 11 and in her last term at primary school. She's working towards her Grade 8 Flute (some time next year) and playing from the Grade 4 Piano book (currently refusing to take any exams, and putting off the first proper performance!). Rara is 8, may or may not be doing Grade 3 Cello this term, and is approaching Grade 2 Clarinet.

Both of them played the recorder for years, starting as preschoolers. They reached Grades 7 and 3 respectively, but sadly neither has really played since the music festival a few months ago. They are obsessed with their Flute and Clarinet, and really enjoy Piano and Cello. There won't be many opportunities to play the recorder at the secondary school they will attend, so much as I love it, it's probably a good time to quietly drop it. Recorder has given them both lots of opportunities, confidence, reading skills... and festival prizes!

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ealingwestmum · 19/06/2017 14:55

We have moved away from working harder to working smarter in our house Grin. Maybe a play on words, but is, at times harder than we think...

ealingwestmum · 19/06/2017 14:58

I don't blame you Gilly with yours being away all year. Mine on the other hand has already calculated 3 weeks away at the minimum, and is working on ideas for the remainder, given that we are only planning on being away for 4 nights together!

gillybeanz · 19/06/2017 15:07

Hi ealing

What's yours up to this holiday? Are they summer schools.
I love hearing about the different ones. I know there's a piano school at dd school, it usually does quite well.

I do feel bad sometimes when i hear about all the different organisations and schools offering such good fun for the summer, and I know that dd would like to do something with singing.

I thought maybe I could book a lovely venue near us, a very old building that charges very little, then pay her old teacher to accompany some pieces so she could record them and maybe start her own youtube channel over the summer.
Will have to get on with it, if I'm going to. Grin

Trumpetboysmum · 19/06/2017 15:08

Working smarter is a good idea ( with everything I think) but Ds isn't totally with me on this one yet!

drummersmum · 19/06/2017 15:08

DS is signed up for a jazz residential in August. DH and I have to work most of the summer but we're hoping to spend some time with him and travel a few days in July...
ealing do you mean you sat by the pool all weekend without being able to jump in? OUCH

Icouldbeknitting · 19/06/2017 15:10

Gilly I am attempting to learn Norwegian with Duolingo and Memrise. The first shows you how words are used in sentences, changing the ending depending on gender and using plurals and possessives. The second repeats individual words until you know them then carries on repeating them less frequently. I would recommend both.

DS will be away for two weeks this summer, it could be three if he gets an application in but by the time he's faffed about he will have missed the deadline. I'm letting him miss it because it's a valuable life lesson and the opportunity will still be there next year. At 17 he is able to get organised when he wants to and it's too hot to nag.

Loose "Fine" is the standard non-answer here too. The best text I had was "It's fine mum. It's all fine, everything is fine." It was three days into a residential course and I hadn't heard from him since I dropped him off.

I'm not going to mention practice tonight, he played for six hours yesterday without too much complaint so I think he deserves a night off.

drummersmum · 19/06/2017 15:12

On another note, we have piano exam date - three days after he's supposed to go go-karting with his form class. I can just picture accident, whiplash, squashed fingers... I just can't help it! Confused
If exam had to be cancelled for any reason I would die. Another term of the same pieces would just drive us all insane.

foundoutyet · 19/06/2017 15:12

Ha, Ealing, I know the feeling about the pool . I ended up going outside in the sun, to cool down!

gillybeanz · 19/06/2017 15:18

drummer

I know what you mean about the activities before an exam, or important concert.
When dd used to dance too I was a bag of nerves if she had a roller skating/ ice skating party to attend.
Mind fingers, mind legs, don't scream too loud as singing tomorrow etc.

I guess that's one positive of not having much say anymore.
She went camping on saturday and managed to cut her leg quite badly, no stitches required though.
She's a wally though so I had to make her promise me to check with nurse if it looks infected.

LooseAtTheSeams · 19/06/2017 15:26

Gilly don't blame you for wanting her at home and well done to DD on her report! Good luck with the GCSE Italian, I'm sure she'll love it. Hope her leg recovers quickly, though, that sounds painful!
Drummers gulp! Mind you, I think the go-karting is pretty safe and I'm sure he'll be careful!

ealingwestmum · 19/06/2017 15:39

oh drummers, it was seriously hideous. And the sun beat through the ceiling glass both days like a green house, no doors open, or air con. At one point during a break, DH and I contemplated doing a reggie perrin. I got a "noo muuummmy' when I texted her to say would it be ok if we just had a quick dunk whilst the whole centre watched, just a little one? Grin. Foundout, I do my best on this thread as a side line to try and put off parents with potential swim kids taking it to competitive level!

Gilly, one of those weeks is with Kent music service at Benenden School, she's being doing it for 4 years and loves it. Violin only in symphony, her little foray with boarding without full immersion!

On a side note of perceived failure in our children's eyes, this weekend my DD had a very strange anomaly mid race. She misjudged the wall and turned about 10 metres short, stunned, carried on to finish her race (another 2 lengths of the 4 x 50M pool), all due to her very poor eyesight and unfamiliar pool. The audience gasped, but realised she was not having an asthma attack or anything more serious, just her pride hurt when she got out. Her coach (without my input) got her cancelled from all the remainder backstroke events,...because she'd cried. I was livid, as I know her better, and that getting back on the horse was the right thing to do, irrespective of what the end performance, but she had her coach on side. And mean mum on the other.

This morning, she said she'd wished she'd not cancelled them. And knows how hard it'll be next time, if there will be a next time (due to short qualifying window). Such tough lessons when things go wrong, but all very necessary for them to learn more about themselves, including feeling emotions when things go pear shaped. Our experience with music exams has been no different, and all very valuable, even if not entirely pleasurable.

ealingwestmum · 19/06/2017 15:52

Drummers, how about digging deep into pockets to bribe every one of your DS' class mates to let him win, or putting on your best threatening DO NOT BUMP MY SON ONCE face? Grin

Fleurdelise · 19/06/2017 18:05

Dd had to go to an ice skating party a day before her clarinet grade 1 exam and a rope climbing party two weeks before the last exams. I kept thinking she'll break her arm but luckily nothing bad happened.

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Greenleave · 19/06/2017 18:24

Agreed with Loose, go karting is safe.

Only, Double, Kutik, Prada and/or anyone else who children are above g5 violin, mine havent started learning vibrato at all...is this a (massive) thing to worry for g5 exam. Our new teacher showed us once then it hasnt mentioned again. I asked her about it when I saw her last lesson and she said it likes cream on top, not required. She will show us again after the exam.

drummersmum · 19/06/2017 18:26

ealing can you imagine what the parents would say if i did that Grin ?
I'm sorry to hear about your DDs upset. Valuable lessons are just also horrible moments.
gilly good on her for a good music report though why aren't i surprised Wink ? Hope her leg's not hurting much.

drummersmum · 19/06/2017 18:29

For 16-25 year olds grade 8+. BBC proms youth orchestra. They're looking for brass, percussion and something else. Check it out:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3LrQQRr0V0bN4hk6gHqpsLz/bbc-proms-youth-ensemble

Fleurdelise · 19/06/2017 18:58

Right I now have more time to read in more detail: Gilly well done to your dd for her good report. I loved the "I can't reduce my practice time to 4 hours" story. Grin

Ealing it is really hard to see them upset about something they are passionate about, I can only imagine what miniealing felt like. Sad That's the reason for which I think dd will need to do some sports competitions next year, in sport there's only one winner (well, plus two other places) which will teach dd it is ok to lose. With music you pass/merit/distinction an exam (or you can fail in some rare cases) but while it is disappointing I don't think it is the same like in sport where you can see 1 winner and 10 losers (sorry, don't know what else to call them) so you can see there are lots of kids moving on and the life doesn't end with a lost competition even though it is upsetting.

Green did I tell you how much I like your dd from the stories you tell us about her? She's ace!

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drummersmum · 19/06/2017 20:38

icould why Norwegian?

Icouldbeknitting · 19/06/2017 20:54

drummers It is our holiday destination this summer - I was aiming for please and thank you but this morning I was learning air pollution, sky and planets. It's interesting, a lakeland fell is clearly related to a fjell (mountain). The verb ending doesn't change (unlike French) which makes life simpler but verbs come in three genders which seems like two too many. I'm probably spending upwards of an hour a day on it and (surprisingly) enjoying it.

I do know that I will have no practical use for it as everyone will be eager to demonstrate their english other than I would be able to knit complicated things while watching scandi crime drama. I can knit and read subtitles but I can't knit from a chart and read sub titles. I'm assuming that I have the vocabulary and sentence structure of a five year old but it is more than I had two months ago.

ealingwestmum · 19/06/2017 21:09

It is really hard Fleur, but unless children are so unbelievably able to hit success first time, each time on everything they do, then it's also really normal to see them upset. I see what you mean about sport, but it so depends on what they do, and to what level.

For example contact/team sports (like football, netball etc) you can experience the black and white win/lose analogy that you use. Where it can get more grey is when the win/loss is filters down to the striker/shooter/goalie as examples. There they are more exposed, and the risks higher to feeling success/failure as an individual vs the collective team. Even though they are in a win/lose sport. Disappointment is disappointment.

Picking an individual sport such as swimming, or athletics as examples, is a little more complex, as they are competing more against themselves to strive improvement against their own ability, and does have similarities to music advancement. One can attend a swimming or athletics meet, win all the heats, races, competition...and still lose. Because they didn't beat their personal bests. No amount of medal collecting on the day overcomes this. Or they came first in their age, but last in the race (because it has put children in by their seed times, not age). And age isn't relevant for all sports. So winners can still feel loss because they came in 10 secs slower than their last time), and those that lost, can feel great (because they took 10 secs off their last time). it's all relative to where they are at in their development.

What is the same is that these type of sports focus on the same thing. It's the effort, the attitude, the attendance, and work done in training. like music has with practise (excluding the flukes that can do both without work). The exam, or meet, is the "opportunity" to reflect of this. BUT, like with anything, the nerves, injury, dodgy piano...or whatever the curve ball of the day is, they can produce a result that is not reflective of their hard work. Shit happens, but a good coach, like a good music teacher will not focus or dwell on this, but will move on, and encourage the child to learn from it, as it happens to the best of the best. All the time.

Btw swimming is also a sport that many exceed to high level, but hate/don't compete. Just like musicians who do not feel it necessary to have an examiner determine whether they are good or bad. The benchmark should be against your own, as there's only a short window where you can assess performance against, say age, physique, years spent learning instrument/sport etc. At some point it all becomes a level playing field. The 55 yr old chess player losing to a 10 year old knows that feeling well Grin

We've sat many exams now across violin, piano and voice, and some of the results are bang on, and others have been as a result as a cock up or 5, and it's hugely frustrating. But we talk about how much easier that is to stomach than the child who's frozen mid performance, taken themselves off stage and not returned. Yet they are brilliant normally. This is for us, I know not all children can brush off so easily.

But I try and get DD to battle through all the things she does as the development curve that includes maturity is the same. Sometimes I am not very successful but I endeavour to keep trying!

onlymusic · 19/06/2017 21:12

Green, read here, page 2
us.abrsm.org/fileadmin/user_upload/syllabuses/violinComplete16.pdf

^Vibrato: The use and control of vibrato, and its effect on tone and shape, will be
taken into account by examiners, who will be assessing the overall musical outcome.
Pieces whose full musical effect is heavily reliant on vibrato tend not to appear in the
syllabus before around Grade 5.^

onlymusic · 19/06/2017 21:13

Fleur, I also love stories about mini green!

Minimusiciansmama · 19/06/2017 21:23

Hahah my girl went on a school trip 10 days ago and had to go down a really crap cliff path after two days of torrential rain, and still hadn't stopped. I stood and had a conversation with her TA about if it was seriously going ahead- all I could picture was her broken wrist with (now) 6 days before her piano exam!

Wafflenose · 19/06/2017 21:27

Goo really likes sport, but is incredibly clumsy. I think we have a couple of suspected broken fingers and a badly sprained wrist this academic year. Always just before an audition or exam, of course! We had to pull her out of County auditions because of the wrist, and were really worried about NCO for a while!

One of my littlies is probably going to give NCO a go this year. It depends entirely on how much work she puts in to developing the higher register over the summer, as she's currently behind Rara. But technically perfect.

Greenleave · 19/06/2017 21:42

Love Ealing posts, love your honest sharing, love your daughter attitude and resilience towards all her commitments.

Only, Fleur: may be because miniGreen isnt a "girly" girl, she is "weird" and careless, she isnt "clever" with tricks. (And I love yours too).

Only: its already too late and no one shows us so we will accept that we wont have the creamy top, this to know what we should expect with the result. We had 30 mins practice tonight (well, on and off as Minigreen has a natural urge that for every single violin practice section she always needs a long loo time and I made sone smoothies-left over fruits so we had a sip).