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1st camp for ds, ideas on what to take

57 replies

Jesusgirl · 28/04/2012 18:17

I was out shopping all day for ds's 1st weekend camp and got really confused. I had a list that we were given but I wasn't really sure what to get. We got a sleeping bag, but we might have to return it because his feet were touching the bottom of the bag! I'd really appreciate any advise on what extras to take. Thanks.

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Mutt · 03/05/2012 17:15

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titchy · 03/05/2012 17:39

Ds didn't even unzip his holdall! Grin

Oblomov · 03/05/2012 20:37
Smile Titchy, I assumed you meant he came home with no clothes, despite them being labelled, because he had lost them all. Not that he had worn the same one's all week. Suspect that may happen here!!! Mutt, I am sure you are right. The memories will be worth the exorbitant price !
titchy · 03/05/2012 20:39

Nope - he wore the same clothes all week...... He was mingling! Apparently was too embarrassed to get changed in front of the others in his tent Smile

titchy · 03/05/2012 20:40

Minging... Bloody iPhone!

BackforGood · 03/05/2012 20:45

I remember one camp ds did, he managed to come home in the same clothes he went in (a weekend rather than a week, fortunately) but had managed somehow to leave his bag out, open of course, in the rain, and everything in there came home sodden! Grin.
This is going back about 8 years, (and about 30 or 40 odd camps ago), and, although he hasn't managed that one again, I can't say he's got much better. It's just, now he's older, you don't tend to feel everyone is blaming the mother quite so much Wink

mankyscotslass · 03/05/2012 20:54

DS is going to the Jamboree in Essex in August, for a week. He will still be a Cub, infact only one of 3 cubs going from our unit, the rest are Scouts.

We did some serious fundraising and the cost for the week including transport is down to about £100, which I thinik is brilliant value.

I just hope it's not as muddy as his last summer camp, it took 3 weeks to get his boots clean. Not to mention the state of my bathroom after he got showered!

cece · 03/05/2012 20:59

DD's Guide Camp is £150 this summer. Shock

BackforGood · 03/05/2012 21:00

Yes, but to the people going Shock at £150, wait until you get the letter home from school about the residentials they book. You can double that, at least!

Oblomov · 03/05/2012 21:19

Backforgood, its not the cost. Per se.
I went on the french exchange when I were about 15 (donkey's years ago) and that was cheapish. Then I went skiiing,and that was tres expensive.
I know that trips are expensive at schools these days.
But I had this image. of beavers,cubs, scouts. lord baden powell. subsidised. cheap as chips. poor penniless boys whose paretns didn't have enough money for new trousers so cut them off to make school shorts. that kind of thing. Wink Going on cub camp for all of £3.75 , £6.50 at a push. Seriously, when I first got ds into beavers at 5, they mentioned cub camp, seemed like such a long way off, for big boys. And I stupidly assumed, that it would be heavily subsidised by the organisation. so would be cheaper. cheaper. maybe £75. Twas a shock when the £150 hit me eyes.
Obviously out of touch with reality , me.

cece · 03/05/2012 21:27

Yes I have just paid for her school PGL trip as well - £365 Shock

BackforGood · 03/05/2012 21:31
Grin Most of my dcs camps have cost £30 - £40, but most camps tend to be for a week. This weekend my 2 dds are going on camp (extra day as is Bank Holiday and they use the full extra day and don't get back until Monday evening), and it's £55 each, but that includes coach travel there and back. Price of fuel at the moment, it would cost quite a bit to get to the site they are using if we all had to take them. Most expensive was the £2000 + we raised for ds to go to the World Scout Jamboree last year Grin. In another way though, it's the only camp where we've not directly paid anything - it was all fundraised. Different groups operate differently. Some put more time into fundraising, and can then subsidise the camps, others find parents prefer to pay than to arrange and attend the bag packs / quiz nights / car washes / etc.

HQ have funding available for families in financial need (I know not everyone likes to apply, and also that this doesn't help the "I'm struggling a bit but don't quite fall into that category" group of people though).

BackforGood · 03/05/2012 21:31

week weekend

cece · 03/05/2012 21:35

Yes DS1 going this weekend and his is £45.

DD's is for a whole week - 7 days

talkingnonsense · 03/05/2012 22:18

Scout camps aren't usually subsidised, unless you mean the group has fundraised for them. We have paid £40 for 2 nights this bank hol, includes all food and activities, but not transport. Suspect insurance takes a chunk of it.

RaspberryLemonPavlova · 03/05/2012 23:24

My DCs arrived home tonight to say their Scout trip at half term has been reduced by £40 each to £125. Hurray. That is down to fund-raising (lots of bag packs) but they also apply for grants like neighbourhood forum.

Explorer Scouts seems particularly good at sourcing grants.

There is a thread running elsewhere about the cost of school trips!

talkingnonsense · 04/05/2012 07:29

Also it occurs to me that food bought by a careful shopper with a cost co card, is going to keep the camp cheaper than a big sainsburys order- food is expensive and cubs eat a lot!

Bletchley · 04/05/2012 07:54

Don't send the pillow. Or the blanket. He just needs the sleeping bag and a bedroll.

Suitable shoes I always interpret as hiking boots.

They never get changed and there is no point sending any soap, though I always do. If you are lucky he will use the toothbrush.

hattifattner · 04/05/2012 08:21

If you look at the breakdown for camps, then you will realise the costs are tight as they can be.

Most groups budget for £5 per person per day for food. Then you have camp fees, which vary from £3 to £5 a night, or if indoor, considerably more.

The biggest cost is the transport - hire of a minibus and petrol. £500 a week for bus, plus several tanks of petrol.

Plus you have staff costs - the leaders are already giving up holidays and do not get paid, but their costs also have to be covered. Plus their petrol to get to and from the shops every day to feed the little treasures...

When on camp, most groups try and do a couple of trips (usually about £8-10 a head these days, often more) plus they will have some adventurous activities - climbing, archery, abseiling - these things all cost money, albeit the cost of the instructor who is usually a scout leader in the area of the camp.

Theres other stuff like the cost of gas to cook with. Tent maintenance (our tents need to be fully replaced every 4-5 years because some kids do not look after their kit, do not open the zip properly before climbing out etc. ) New tent pegs (cos they leave them in the ground). An ice cream while out and about. Fish and chips on the last night (so the leaders can de-grease the cookers and start packing up)

So:

Food for 7 days: £35 + fish and chips
Camp fees: £21
2 days out £16ish
2x activities @ about £4 each £8
Transport costs - works out about £30-40 per person
so we are already £110+ up.

Now add in the costs for leaders divided by the number of kids.....usually about another £25-£30 on top.

ANd thats assuming that a lot of the activities are free or given free by the leaders.

Any profits from camp are ploughed back into the group to replace mess tents (£1000 for a new one), tables (they take a beating) pots and pans, utensils, chopping boards, and consumables like washing up liquid, sanitiser, washing cloths, scrubbers, foil, cling film, sandwich bags. ALso things like emergency dashes to the laundromat to wash and dry wet sleeping bags and PJs......

There are no subsidies from the scout association - where would that come from? They do not fund raise, and the capitation (membership fees) we pay to the SA go to training the leaders in things like first aid, child protection plus the own internal training about the methods and approaches to scouty things - like how to run a camp and how to light a fire and how to wield an axe....)

Groups might fundraise to subsidise camps (ours used to) but inevitably parents can't be arsed to support, so that falls by the wayside, or its the same 10 parents doing the organising and shelling out money.

Many people want something for nothing, sadly.

Compared to school trips, which are £300+ for just 4 nights, scout and guide camps are incredible value for money. £150 for a week away...thats about £21 a day. Less than a pound an hour. Pretty good value in my book for an adventurous, well supervised, activity rich holiday.

hattifattner · 04/05/2012 08:44

back to OPs post, Id include the following to the list above....

a large plastic bag - pref v. thick plastic like a rubble sack, for wet clothes.

Take one more sweatshirt/jumper than you think you need.

Pack at least 2x more socks than days.

A small hand towel (for toothbrushing etc), plus a large bath towel.

top trumps cards go down well!

waterproof trousers are a really good idea.

Sleeping bag: Buy and adult sized, good quality. If camping soon, Id buy a cheap fleece and sew it into a tube as a sleeping bag liner. You can buy liners, but they are expensive. It just keeps them warmer.

another campfire blankie - just a big old cosy fleece for sitting around on chilly evenings.

an inflatable rollmat if finances allow. They are very comfy. The foam ones are also fine.

No china plates/cups/bowls - melamine or metal. In a drawstring bag

Mark everything - sew on lables, and nail varnish on cutlery if you want it back.

Water bottle.

Have him sleep in a tracksuit. Noone wants to be seen walking across the field in buzz lightyear PJs

SUncream (hahahaha! Grin )

Please do not send sweets for midnight feasts. They leave the wrappers everywhere and the sticky stuff attracts ants into the tent. Also, food left in tents can attract other things like badgers and foxes.

Ragwort · 04/05/2012 08:52

Just to add, please don't pack 'expensive' or 'designer' clothes and/or trainers - some parents love to complain when they come home damanged if they haven't been lost Hmm.

We've just planned a weekend camp for less than £10 - it really does depend on what the camp site fees are, that is the biggest expense for Cubs and Beavers.

Just a plea as well - I am sure all Scout and Guide groups would love more help and support ........... please think about it so that more children can enjoy the great benefits Smile.

Ragwort · 04/05/2012 08:55

PS: And a 'thank you' to the volunteer Leaders is always appreciated; the amount of work and effort that goes into the planning and running of these camps, including giving up so much of your free time, is huge - and very parents actually say 'thank you'. The comment I often get is 'great, we can have a child-free weekend' Grin.

hattifattner · 04/05/2012 09:47

I once had a parent bring us all a bottle of wine each at the end of a week away. Grin

Ive also had parents collect their child without so much as a nod or a thank you or even a goodbye.

In once case, a parent failed to collect her cub. When phoned (about 40 mins after scheduled collection time) , she said she thought it was collection the next day, and she was in big town 30 mins away, so could we just wait.

This after a week long camp, coming back to base, putting away kit, hanging tents to dry and a 5 hour journey via mini bus. We were all knackered, desperate to see our own families, and yet two of us had to stay with the child until mum showed up. SHe was really cross, and really short with her little girl (aged 8) who had been sobbing. SHe walked off without so much as a thank you.

So nice to be appreciated.

cece · 05/05/2012 10:56

Just dropped DS1 off. It was freezing. All the boys had thick coats on except DS1 who had a thin waterproof! Blush

BackforGood · 06/05/2012 22:54

Well, layers are best. Hopefully someone will tell him to put another sweatshirt on Smile

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