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Lifting and getting stronger with Caroline Girvan: 2025

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BigButtons · 12/04/2025 12:02

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TheNoisesAbove · 11/06/2025 10:54

Thanks for the recommendations for Heather Robertson for some cardio add-ons to CGX workouts, and for DanielPT - I've tried a full-body kettlebell workout and it was great for switching things up.

My add-on recommendation is Mady Morrison on YouTube - she does brilliant mobility, flexibility and stretching workouts. I've swapped Caroline's warm-ups and cool-downs for these before and after a CGX workout, and I feel so much better for it - I'm much less stiff, and my range of movement is really improving. Similar format to CGX with the no talking and beeps between exercises.

I gave up on Max - it just didn't motivate me at all. I've gone back to Iron on the app, which I didn't finish first time, and I'm loving it this time round. Has anyone any recommendations for what to follow with after Iron? I've done the Ultimate beginner programme, the Pulse series, the 2024 Christmas series, the Mallorca series, and the Calisthenics series; and I'll be finishing Iron in a few weeks. I don't want anything with cardio included (because Caroline's cardio is mental) - I'm happy with doing newly discovered Heather Robertson for cardio. Something that utilises the plyo box a lot would be great - I love step ups.

PS I am a regular on this thread BTW, but I've name changed recently due to outing information with my previous user name!

PPS Finally blocked Mr & Mrs Lookatus on FB, which makes for a much nicer scrolling experience!!

Gobacktotheworld · 11/06/2025 11:31

Ha! I was tempted to unblock those two just for the popcorn value when someone posted that heartfelt message yesterday asking people not to feel overwhelmed or "less than" when they saw all the selfies uploaded. Last time there was a message about the narcissistic selfie parade, those two took it very personally, didn't they? I am sure they'll be making many veiled and unveiled comments.

I actually really liked the message (attached), bland and impersonal as the writer had to make it.

It made a change from LOOK AT MY BICEPS and LOOK AT MY $200 METCONS.

Lifting and getting stronger with Caroline Girvan: 2025
Gobacktotheworld · 11/06/2025 12:59

Noises I LOVE Mady. I also love Charlie Follows for her soothing coaching and beautiful settings. She even sometimes has a border collie present, attn: @samthebordercollie

Tess, yes exactly, the app is good for straight lifting but there is little cardio and there seems to be less and less variety in the moves. Without counting it felt as though there were fewer than 30 different moves in all of ten weeks of Max (excluding Fridays which were just abs, arms and banded glute things from what I could see).

OK I'm gonna count (between work calls) because I'm bored out of my skull.

All moves on Sunday to Thursday MAX workouts:

  1. RDL (variant: staggered RDL)
  2. Shoulder press (variant: Arnold press)
  3. Squat (variation: heel elevated, staggered squat one time)
  4. 1 arm row (variant: supine row)
  5. Hip thrust (variation: one legged hip thrust one time. Actually the opening workout, which remains my favourite!)
  6. Chest press
  7. Rear step lunge
  8. Static lunge
  9. Bulgarian lunge
10. Sweep 11. Rear delt flye 12. Lateral raise (variant: diagonal raise) 13. Stability ball rollout 14. Dumbbell pullover 15. Chest flyes 16. Glute bridge 17. Upright row 18. Sumo deadlift / squat 19. Push up

All of those moves occurred in week one. Every week thereafter was the same set of moves with the addition of only:

  1. Goblet squats ( variation on #3)
  2. Diamond press
  3. Rear delt row (she only performs with same weight as #11)
  4. Rotational row (variant of #4)
  5. Step ups - the closest thing to a cardio move all program and they occurred I think once(?) on day 12
  6. Curtsey lunge
  7. Hammer press
  8. Frontal raise
  9. Around the world (variant: arc raise)
  10. Cobra or diamond pushups (variant on #19)
  11. Lateral lunge x1

So thirty, if you generously give each lunge variant its own number. Of course there were a couple of additional moves for biceps and triceps on Fridays, but overall- you could just do week one on repeat and get the full benefits of the programme. Every week was the exact same.

Sunday - focus on heavy compound moves. Always included a hip thrust or glute bridges. Always a good workout. The first day got me quite excited about the program.

Monday- light shoulder work (2x4kg moves), lunges and/or stability ball rollouts. Only those, ever. Very boring esp if long sets of unilateral sweeps... switch side... repeat. My god. I passed on a lot of these including Day 2. The contrast between this lunge hell and the excellence of Day 1 was too great for me!

Tuesday: some heavier moves again but longer intervals and higher reps overall, usually incl glute bridge or hip thrust. Usually good. But sometimes the 25sec rest period was awkward with moving a barbell or using adjustables- so pausing was needed, which probably negated the point of the workout

Thursday: heavy day, compounds- including hip thrust or bridge. Sometimes push ups and things and sometimes some subtle creativity or innovation in the layout like a kind of staple or almost triset or other variation in the moves. Generally my favourite days!

Friday: undemanding circuits of abs and arms and some lower body bodyweight thing like sissy squats or banded glute bridge which according to comments were always so spicy or fire but which did zilch for me on the few occasions I bothered with these. Biceps and triceps were pretty adequately covered by heavy rotational rows, push ups etc on other days anyway, but I sometimes added in arm workouts from other trainers, including this Israeli meathead who yelled at me to MAN UP the whole time, which made a change.

I really liked a lot about Max to be honest. Great if you don't have time for the full 45mins or an hour. There were usually three days a week of thrusts or glute bridges which is probably overkill unless you want a huge badonkdonk, but I didn't mind that so much, having run some Contreras programs in the past- this wasn't just glutes by any stretch. But overall it was mind numbingly repetitive when it was weeks and months on end especially. I wouldn't mind doing it interspersed with other workouts- which is how I did it, or about 65-75% of it, anyway.😁

I have a shortlist of definite favourites and have already repeated several of the workouts.

The one thing that surprised me was the TOTAL lack of cardio. Even PE had a few short plyo bursts sprinkled in. You could end up like the stereotypical gym bro who gets winded climbing the stairs with this program!

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TheNoisesAbove · 11/06/2025 13:14

@Gobacktotheworld the response to that post in the FB group are interesting: there are quite a lot of people commenting that they have blocked certain users, or that they pause the group sometimes to get a break from the constant 'perfect' posts.

Thanks for the Charlie Follows recommendation - I'll give her a try!

Clearingaspace · 11/06/2025 13:29

I saw that Facebook post yesterday and noticed it had a lot of likes!

I will try the mady YouTube workouts next week. I did Caroline’s full body mobility workout yesterday and got quite out of breath - not sure if that is usual! I was hoping for something more relaxing!

Gobacktotheworld · 11/06/2025 14:10

I just checked and the moderation team have switched off comments on that post. Odd because I couldn't see anything controversial. Even Matthew A, aka Mr Positive who clearly avoids conflict of all kinds like the plague, posted in agreement with her!

Clearingaspace · 11/06/2025 16:13

@Gobacktotheworld yes that is strange. Someone has replied saying they don’t understand what this post relates to, the 700 people who liked it over one day would probably disagree!

BigButtons · 11/06/2025 16:31

@Gobacktotheworld well done on making that list- confirms what I thought- every week was basically exactly the same as the week before.
i did like some of the workouts but i also just got bloody bored.
I so miss the variety that the epics had- not the crazy epic one moves, but the others. However, I am glad she is much more sensible re upper body weights on the app. I think I remember her saying that she realised the was getting just a good results with lighter weight choices and protecting herself from injury. Also she does a lot more rear delt work now which was really missing from the you tube videos.
I would like one cardio day a week. Yes I know I could just do 4 lifting sessions- but I bottle out if not following a series.

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BigButtons · 11/06/2025 16:35

There were also posters saying they had tried numerous times to post basically the same message, but their posts were rejected for not being positive enough. Someone else agreed that you had to be a bit of a wordsmith to get anything approved.
i also noticed that silly boy put up a stupid long post all about himself and his life and his workout ethics. No one cares. Oh course as a professional psychologist I am sure he would find that thought if mine fascinating’- as he is always saying. I wish he could see the irony in everything he posts.

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ItsCoolForCats · 11/06/2025 16:40

I like Charlie Follows too. She is very calm. I mainly use the Down Dog app though. I pay about £15 a year and I use it so much. It is very customisable, so it's great for doing whatever length session and whatever type of yoga that you fancy (I mainly do Hatha, wake up yoga and vinyasa, but I need to try and get back into yin as it's great for flexibility). It has Pilates too. As CG doesn't do a warmup, I usually do 10 or 15 minutes vinyasa as it is a really good at warming up the whole body. And it also has post workout stretch if I want a longer cool down and stretch.

Thanks for the light relief on here regarding the Facebook group. Some of the people on there are really something else 😅

Gobacktotheworld · 11/06/2025 17:39

BigButtons · 11/06/2025 16:35

There were also posters saying they had tried numerous times to post basically the same message, but their posts were rejected for not being positive enough. Someone else agreed that you had to be a bit of a wordsmith to get anything approved.
i also noticed that silly boy put up a stupid long post all about himself and his life and his workout ethics. No one cares. Oh course as a professional psychologist I am sure he would find that thought if mine fascinating’- as he is always saying. I wish he could see the irony in everything he posts.

Ugh don't get me started on his "I find that fascinating" intended as a bitchy implied slur on someone else's psyche- just because they disagreed with him, or failed to seal clap him, on the internet. So unethical.

Nice to see Charlie Follows love! She never asks for subscribers, and she feels like a well-kept secret. There is also a sweet, slightly goofy, clearly crunchy New Zealand girl who does yoga flows often with a pilates flava, channel name Current Movement. Not as polished as Charlie and she doesn't edit out her mistakes but always goes "oh I mean the left, sorry..." and sounds genuinely guilty. She's great.

Yy to the DownDog app, ItsCool

samthebordercollie · 11/06/2025 19:50

I’m missing out on so much on the FB group! I was banned for calling out 2 people for narcissistic and rather bad taste posts, one woman gloating about her fabulous arms while holding a sick child and the other showing off her muscles saying how worried she was as she hadn’t had time to workout due to her sister being ill.
The whole groupe is a bit like the Barbie film where everything is beautiful and fabulous the whole time.

@ItsCoolForCats
I would go for PE after Iron, it’s my favourite program and gives great results. There are some step ups and plyometrics. Alternatively Unleash but it will get your heart rate up more!

Gobacktotheworld · 12/06/2025 21:36

Barbie film 😁

I just did Max Day 49 and it was another decent, hard workout (the staggered RDL and push up segment was really tough). I couldn't ever hope to match @BigButtons 's 2 x 20kg for lunges but you did inspire me to increase the weights by 1kg per side, so 2x16kg. I was pretty surprised my bad knee did get to the floor - and mostly amazingly up again! Thank you- sometimes you need a tiny nudge.

Re: calves, mine are killing me after a slightly different cardio yesterday from my usual (Attack)- must do specific calf exercises more often!

BigButtons · 12/06/2025 21:57

Well done @Gobacktotheworld 🥳⭐️
hey fit peeps I really didn’t want to do me workout today so I went to the pub instead- keeping it real.😉

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Gobacktotheworld · 13/06/2025 08:02

Haha! Lifting pints is still lifting.

I sneaked in a PE back and biceps day before work, post exhaust, as Max 49 which I did yesterday had nothing for the back. Felt effective. I can't warm to PE but there's no doubt in my head that they were better workouts than Max.

If anyone else has been doing Max to the letter, or roughly following it like me, what are you doing next?

AtomicBlondeRose · 13/06/2025 12:37

Just finished Max today - I didn’t do every workout but probably 4/5 of them. Not sure what to do next but am seriously considering redoing Iron with heavier weights, because I enjoyed lifting heavier in Max. As the weather is OK I think I could do that and start doing a run or two each week (I am very much a fair weather runner and haven’t been for ages). Just a simple summer routine I can stick to while home life gets a bit more disorganised.

Minesril · 13/06/2025 14:11

I’m still doing Max - two more to go. It’s not my favourite, but I think all the hip thrusts and bridges have helped my thighs. I’m a 12/14 with a massive bum and I think I need these sorts of exercises to stop it getting flabby! But I think my thighs are somewhat smoother as well. I’m planning on Fuel next - I absolutely loved it when it first came out and I think my body is craving cardio. Maybe I’ll do a few hip thrusts as a finisher but I doubt it…

TessTickle0 · 13/06/2025 14:18

I did endgame day 20 two days ago..and still hurting now! It was a cardio dumbell workout using light weights(ahe did 4kg,I did too-mostly) reminded me that I used to love cardio using light weights.
P.s yep still only on youtube, not the app.

BigButtons · 13/06/2025 22:52

I have just snoozed the fb group. It was really messing with my head. The last post o saw was sone women saying she had just for her spray tan and was ready for her workout/ what the actuall fuck.

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ArtTheClown · 13/06/2025 23:35

If anyone else has been doing Max to the letter, or roughly following it like me, what are you doing next?

Ive decided on Intent, which I haven't done yet.

I swear the fb group used to be a lot more balanced a couple of years ago. Always the posers, of course, but not as monotonously.

Gobacktotheworld · 14/06/2025 06:18

And there I was getting up this morning to fit in a workout in the clothes I'd been sweating in all night, when I should have been getting a spray tan, an artfully tousled blonde up-do and a face full of slap. Lol.

Love everyone's answers. Tess, Endgame sounds fun. By the way nearly brained myself with a 9kg dB doing a bicep curl gone wrong yesterday.😄 Art, Intent sounds fun as well for a certain value of "fun." I do need to plan my week ahead or I will waste an hour plus pootling around on picking a workout as has happened this morning. Right, epic II full body day 5 or 10, here I come.

But have to mention my favourite thing from the group today- a woman posting:

"Wasn't going to post a picture yet. 2 weeks in on iron and feeling pretty freaking amazing! " blah blah keto diet blah. Accompanied by a picture of a skinny woman in an LBD. She just had to post a selfie after two whole weeks, you see. Jesus wept. What's going on with Caroline's group- preening selfies, drama, diet prattle. If you hadn't done the workouts and just seen the group, you'd think it was just more fitness/wellness snakeoil.

samthebordercollie · 14/06/2025 08:31

@GobacktotheworldI wouldn’t describe Intent as ‘fun’ 😂 It’s a bit boring tbh but pretty efffctive. I’m glad to be getting near the end of it for the second time. I think I’ll do Unleash again, that’s ‘fun’ with a heavy dose of suffering, too!
it’s a shame the FB group has turned into a shitshow of showing off. Is it moderated by Americans?

ItsCoolForCats · 14/06/2025 09:42

I'm paying for the app monthly, so I'm debating cancelling it after Max and doing Epic Endgame on YouTube, which I haven't done yet, or else doing Iron on the app. Is Iron on the app similar to Iron on YouTube?

I'm only on Day 28 of Max. And I'm mixing it up now. I couldn't face Max after work yesterday as it was too hot so I did 40 mins of Hatha Yoga instead. And tomorrow I'm going to do some type of hiit workout.

Clearingaspace · 14/06/2025 09:54

I just noticed the community physio q&a session on the Facebook group, but days too late! Probably wouldn’t have asked a question but annoying that useful stuff doesn’t show up!

BigButtons · 14/06/2025 10:22

It’s so stupid but that group has made me resent my workouts. This stupid pressure to get it done regardless. It’s not healthy and it’s not what Caroline talks about. She talks about the joy of movement- whatever that movement might be.
it also doesn’t help that she has been so caked in make up and shit for each session. Sure she looks amazing but how is that the right image and it encourages all these post selfies and people asking about spray tans and outfits.
the physio guy hardly relies to anyone anyway- he’s useless.

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