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Not sure I am pushing myself hard enough

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Menora · 08/01/2024 22:12

I am not a cardio person, I really struggle with it. I have always had myself down as someone who is relatively unfit in my mind and doesn’t like exercise. I am trying to lose weight.

I did however find that I liked weights and Pilates and have been getting into it. I do a little cardio at the gym when I go alongside weights

I invested in a cheapish wearable watch (with good reviews) that tells me my heart rate etc. it seems fairly accurate - I have manually checked my pulse against it. How accurate really are these? As it turns out that I am absolutely not getting my HR up at all past 100bpm very regularly! even on a rowing machine for 5 mins I am not getting much past 110bpm? So I am not even getting into a fat burning zone 😂

My resting heart rate is between 65 and 45bpm (45 is asleep) which I assume is good, and I have better cardio fitness than I have been willing to admit…

I tested this on my nemesis…. the hateful cross trainer and got up to 130bpm.

I don’t think I am doing enough? and have better cardio fitness than I thought?

I am considering getting a training session with a PT to get me started as I am unsure where to begin. Any advice?

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Earbuddy · 16/01/2024 08:08

Exercise is not going to use enough calories to make you lose weight in all reality. You need to be in a calorie deficit. Look up your TDEE and subtract a few hundred from that and that’s what you should be aiming for. I’ve just woken up and my watch has told me I’ve burnt 800 calories overnight- from doing nothing but sleeping. Because most of our daily energy expenditure comes from just keeping our body temperature regulated and other stuff that keeps us alive. It’s a horrible throw back to the 80s to exercise our way to weight loss and was a concept promoted by the sugar industry. Exercise is fantastic for health, fitness and longevity but used alone is not the answer for weight loss. Much better to watch your diet in terms of avoiding processed foods, up your protein and find an exercise that you enjoy so much you will look forward to doing it several times a week.

Menora · 16/01/2024 08:12

@Earbuddy thanks. I’ve lost over 3st now but the last stone is always the worst! I now need to tone up some of the wobbly areas and build core strength (to help bad back) but it’s good to know I am moving and getting activity to accurately calculate my TDEE. I was sedentary and now I am more active so the TDEE does depends on what level of activity I am otherwise I could over or underestimate it and the watch is helping me get a good idea of my activity to find the balance

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Earbuddy · 16/01/2024 08:22

Actually I only used 500 calories overnight- but the concept is the same.
That last stone is always going to be hard to shift. If you find a sustainable healthy way of eating you stand a better chance of it staying off in the long run.

Menora · 16/01/2024 08:24

This is my progress and it’s slower without exercise

When I wasn’t doing much in the gym in Oct-Dec I was in an annoying plateau which is now finally moving

I eat around 1500-1600 calories a day. I am 166cm tall. I don’t really think it’s good/healthy/sustainable if I eat much less. This is my TDEE too

Not sure I am pushing myself hard enough
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CharlotteBog · 16/01/2024 09:38

Earbuddy · 16/01/2024 08:08

Exercise is not going to use enough calories to make you lose weight in all reality. You need to be in a calorie deficit. Look up your TDEE and subtract a few hundred from that and that’s what you should be aiming for. I’ve just woken up and my watch has told me I’ve burnt 800 calories overnight- from doing nothing but sleeping. Because most of our daily energy expenditure comes from just keeping our body temperature regulated and other stuff that keeps us alive. It’s a horrible throw back to the 80s to exercise our way to weight loss and was a concept promoted by the sugar industry. Exercise is fantastic for health, fitness and longevity but used alone is not the answer for weight loss. Much better to watch your diet in terms of avoiding processed foods, up your protein and find an exercise that you enjoy so much you will look forward to doing it several times a week.

Isn't the idea that exercise puts you in a calorie deficit, alongside all the other benefits?
If you don't change your diet at all, but introduce physical exercise you will surely lose weight?
I speak as someone who has never dieted, but I am interested in exercise, diet etc, and I admit I often get baffled by how complicated is can all get.

CharlotteBog · 16/01/2024 09:40

OP, I'm no expert, but it looks like you've worked really hard and (importantly) consistently to get into better shape. I guess as you reach a healthier weight it will slow down, that doesn't mean it isn't working any more.

Earbuddy · 16/01/2024 10:03

CharlotteBog · 16/01/2024 09:38

Isn't the idea that exercise puts you in a calorie deficit, alongside all the other benefits?
If you don't change your diet at all, but introduce physical exercise you will surely lose weight?
I speak as someone who has never dieted, but I am interested in exercise, diet etc, and I admit I often get baffled by how complicated is can all get.

The energy burnt by exercise is much less than you would imagine- eating an extra apple and a yogurt after an hour of cardio would probably equal calories burned.

shearwater2 · 16/01/2024 10:09

What age are you?

I'm 48 and my heart rate goes up to about 140-150 when running, rowing or mountain climber, 130-140 on cross trainer and bike.

Also have a low resting heart rate of about 50 bpm.

I do use a FitBit Luxe but you should be able to tell by your breathing and whether you could hold a conversation how hard you are working. Being just about able to talk is my measure- towards 150 and above it gets tricky.

Obviously this varies with fitness and weight - to a degree the numbers don't matter, it's what is testing for you and gradually expanding that zone.

Also glad to hear about people doing cardio fitness, it seems sorely neglected in favour of weights these days. I love doing weights but only get my heart rate up to 115 even doing something like lunges or squats (and that is with doing cardio in between) so they are not going to make me fit on their own.

CharlotteBog · 16/01/2024 10:14

Earbuddy · 16/01/2024 10:03

The energy burnt by exercise is much less than you would imagine- eating an extra apple and a yogurt after an hour of cardio would probably equal calories burned.

Hmmm, I disagree - for me personally. An hour of cardio for me would be a 7 mile run, a 14 mile bike ride or 2k swim. I'm pretty sure an apple would not meet my needs after that. nb the post exercise hunger usually happens the day after.

shearwater2 · 16/01/2024 10:23

An hour of cardio would be 700 calories plus for me. About 620 calories more than if I were sitting down for an hour anyway.

Menora · 16/01/2024 10:28

I don’t eat my exercise calories back as they aren’t that accurate but as @CharlotteBog said aren’t they meant to increase your deficit? If your TDEE is calculated based on activity levels I need mine to be higher to lose weight on 1500-1600 calories a day

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shearwater2 · 16/01/2024 10:46

You might try eating an average of 1600 calories a day but just considering it 11,200 for the week. So you don't "eat exercise calories back" as such but allow yourself more on more active days when you might be Starvin' Marvin otherwise and a bit less on days when you are sitting down a lot.

It seems to help give my metabolism a bit of a kick - I sort of do two days of about 1000 calories, a bit fast diet ish, and a couple of over 2000 at the weekend and the rest somewhere in between, as long as it adds up to the weekly total or thereabouts. On weeks when I do that properly I lose 1-2lbs.

Menora · 16/01/2024 10:54

@shearwater2 yeah this definitely happens, I do eat less/more but never over 1600 so it will average out. If I am less active I will have a lesser day to compensate, but I no longer reward myself for things I just eat at mealtimes. I seem to hold onto weight for a few days then have a bigger drop

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shearwater2 · 16/01/2024 11:04

Sounds like you are doing all the right things. It's just a bit slow when you have less to lose but as long as what you are doing feels good and sustainable and you aren't starving all the time then really it doesn't matter how long it takes to get the weight off if it's going in the right direction, though it can be frustrating! Slower is generally better.

I have just over a stone to go too. 💪

Bubbles254 · 16/01/2024 11:14

CharlotteBog · 16/01/2024 09:38

Isn't the idea that exercise puts you in a calorie deficit, alongside all the other benefits?
If you don't change your diet at all, but introduce physical exercise you will surely lose weight?
I speak as someone who has never dieted, but I am interested in exercise, diet etc, and I admit I often get baffled by how complicated is can all get.

I recommend reading Burn by Herman Pontzer. He explains how metabolism works and how humans have constrained energy expenditure, meaning that you only burn so many calories a day no matter what you do. For example his research show that the Hadza tribe who are very active use the same amount of energy as North Americans.
https://gsas.harvard.edu/news/colloquy-podcast-why-exercising-more-may-not-help-you-lose-weight

'We tend to focus a lot on the energy that we spend on physical activity, especially on exercise. Right? Because we're really aware of that. Our heart rate goes up, and the calories we're burning per minute or per hour are much higher when we're exercising, of course, because we can feel that. And so, we focus on activity when we think about the expenditure. But actually, even if for someone in the Hadza community, most of the calories burned every day are burned on other stuff. They're burned on immune system and on just the basic processes of homeostasis, keeping your cells alive, reproductive system, nervous system.
All of these systems that we aren't even really aware of are actually where you spend the bulk of your calories. And so, what we think is happening is the Hadza and other really physically active populations, they're spending a bit less on those other processes to sort of make room for the physical activity. So, there's no magic here. The laws of physics remain intact, undefeated. [CHUCKLING] It's just that the way that they're spending their energy is different on other tasks.

So, is that good news or bad news for their long-term health?Well, I think good news. One thing we've been looking into more recently is sort of trying to bring these results home and see what they mean here in the US. When people are more physically active here in the US, we see the same kind of compensation happening. Maybe not as severe as with the Hadza, but we see people, they start a new exercise program, they're not burning as many calories as you'd expect based on the number of calories that were assigned to them in the exercise program. So, we see the same kind of compensation happening here, too.

And what we know is that exercise is really good for us. And one of the reasons it's so good for us is that it does things like lowers our inflammation levels. It lowers our stress reactivity. It gets reproductive hormones in a sort of more healthy range, not the sort of sky-high testosterone and estrogen levels that you can see in sedentary people. And so, those compensations that we see here in the US and we see parts of that as well when we look at other communities, it hasn't been studied as well elsewhere, we think are part of the health benefits of all that activity.

So, when we look at the Hadza, they don't get heart disease. They don't get Type 2 diabetes. They don't have the kind of levels of reproductive cancers, for example, that we see in the US. These other traditional societies, them and other traditional groups, are really healthy that way. And I think that that energy compensation, that sort of re-juggling of the energy budget, is one of the big reasons that they're so healthy compared to us for those non-communicable diseases'

Colloquy Podcast: Why Exercising More May Not Help You Lose Weight | Graduate School of Arts and Sciences

Wondering why the pounds you packed on during the pandemic won't go away no matter how hard you work out? Evolutionary anthropologist Herman Pontzer, PhD '06, says the problem is how we understand the relationship between weight and exercise. 

https://gsas.harvard.edu/news/colloquy-podcast-why-exercising-more-may-not-help-you-lose-weight

shearwater2 · 16/01/2024 11:29

Exercise is so important as we get past 35 though and start to lose muscle tone- men and women.

At one time though I couldn't do high energy, high impact exercise, from about the age of 35-42, though I kept trying as I didn't have this revelation until then, and it actually made me ill and probably stopped me losing weight every time I gave it a go. I thought I was just unfit and overweight or getting old. But actually I was stressed, not sleeping properly and exhausted- vigorous exercise will then raise your cortisol levels and just make everything worse.

I changed my job, the kids got older and were less physically demanding and I spent about five years just doing yoga and walking as much as possible, which really sorted me out. Then I found I needed some oestrogen as I was getting unpleasant things like vaginal atrophy, and it certainly didn't help the pelvic floor when I did try and do high impact stuff. The oestrogen plus going to the gym and doing cardio and weights, high impact stuff tentatively at first, seems to have really improved my fitness and energy in the last 12 months. Though from a good base with all the walking and yoga (which I still do).

Menora · 16/01/2024 12:00

@Bubbles254 i read this in another format before, it’s so interesting. However I was completely inactive and sedentary and these subjects are already pretty active so is there something in this that you can reach a peak?

The Hadza could not be more active than they already were to make a difference. But someone who is inactive becomes active it will make a difference until they reach their peak?

I do see a difference not just in weight loss but for all the benefits so I am going to keep it up. But not flog myself over it

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Earbuddy · 16/01/2024 12:20

I think that’s the key - not to flog yourself over it. Do something you enjoy- I enjoy weightlifting and running. The reason I enjoy it is I feel good. I feel much better than I did when I was inactive.
There has been so much emphasis on calories in/calories out - it’s not that simple- we all have different metabolisms and what works for one may not give the same results for someone else. Eating good food, perhaps slightly less of it for a while, doing some exercise that you enjoy- will be more sustainable in the long run.

Menora · 16/01/2024 22:24

I did my body balance class and it was a new set tonight, OMG the leg pains are fully intense I am going to walk like a cowboy tomorrow 😂

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Menora · 25/01/2024 15:39

I finally got some VO2 max readings! It is 31.5 and I am 43 so it says it’s ’above average’

I have not felt well and been walking more instead of the gym for a week or so and finding I am losing weight faster than when I was walking less but going more in the gym… interesting..

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CharlotteBog · 26/01/2024 07:43

Menora · 25/01/2024 15:39

I finally got some VO2 max readings! It is 31.5 and I am 43 so it says it’s ’above average’

I have not felt well and been walking more instead of the gym for a week or so and finding I am losing weight faster than when I was walking less but going more in the gym… interesting..

It's probably because you're unwell and eating less. Ill weight loss shouldn't really be counted IMO (you know...when people think it's great they've lost 2kg through D&V).

Menora · 26/01/2024 08:27

@CharlotteBog i track so it was fine. I had a cold
I think what it is that I tend to zig zag and do blocks of exercise a few times a week but this week I walked for an hour a day every day so my exercise was actually more than normal but didn’t include gym stuff

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MagpiePi · 26/01/2024 08:40

As a ex-rower, can I just say, please don’t use the rowing machine if it is hurting your back, or, learn the correct technique and how the resistance works. Gym trainers tend to not have a clue.
I’d recommend finding a someone from a rowing club to show you how to do it properly, but there are some good videos on the internet.

Menora · 26/01/2024 16:19

@MagpiePi thanks! It’s much better now - my core strength is improving! I just don’t stay on it too long so I am not at risk of injuring myself. I think years of bad posture is slowly coming undone

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