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BlueLights22 · 04/11/2019 14:18

Hello

I will be running the Brighton Marathon in April next year and am trying to organise myself in terms of a good 20 week training plan, I have to plan this now because I work shifts so have the added difficulty of trying to work out a training plan that fits around this!

Can anyone recommend a good 20 week training plan which is pretty straightforward and doesn't overcomplicate things and also can anyone tell me if it would make a massive impact to switch things around a bit as most of the plans I've found so far are tailored to doing long runs on a Sunday as most people will be off all day, however this isn't always the case for me so may need to swap it to another day within the week?

Have any other shift workers got around this?

At the moment I do run a few times a week and generally 3-5miles. I've done two half marathons but these were a few years ago and I've never done anything fancy in terms of hydration/suppliments/recovery drinks so if anyone could give me any straightforward advice on this id be really appreciative! Xx

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MandMand · 04/11/2019 14:26

I would really recommend getting hold of a copy of Nell McAndrew's Guide to Running. Its got several different marathon training plans in it, depending on your level of experience and the kind of time you're aiming for. Its also got loads of more general advice on training and nutrition and injury prevention, and I found it so, so helpful when I was preparing for my first marathon earlier this year. Best of luck!

Runningonempty84 · 04/11/2019 16:32

Ok, so first things first - how many miles do you run a week at the moment, and what sort of time are you aiming for?

This stuff will make a big difference as to the right plan to recommend. Generally, beginner's marathon training plans are just scaled down from elite versions, which inevitably lead to injury when you get into the really long runs. With more idea as to where you are now, and what you want to achieve, we can recommend the right thing...

Omlette121 · 04/11/2019 17:48

I run around 3 x a week at the moment and these range from 3 miles shortest to 5 miles, I don't really have an exact time in mind, 4 and a half hours would be nice but just getting round is enough of a goal for me Smile

Runningonempty84 · 04/11/2019 18:08

Ok, fab! What's your half marathon PB, and how recently have you run one?

BlueLights22 · 04/11/2019 18:25

My time both times weirdly was 2hrs18, I have much faster mile time now though and generally fitter/more willing to train (i had just finished uni and the goal then was just to burn off the beer weight, now I am an actual gym goer haha), the most recent was 3 years ago. I did a 10k run last week and my time was around 56 mins if that helps at all! Ps @MandMand thanks for book recommendation I have managed to order one off Amazon :) x

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Runningonempty84 · 04/11/2019 20:21

Great stuff. Ok.

I've been having a good think, and I reckon bearing in mind you're starting from such a low mileage base, your best plan is Hudson and Fitzgerald's level 1 plan. Most non-specialist training plans are based on elite athletes and then just scaled back, but these ones are designed specifically for different abilities and starting points.

This is week 1, and if you're interested I can post the rest. The plans won't be online, as they want you to buy the book!

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Runningonempty84 · 04/11/2019 20:22

Also, it's fine to switch the long runs around to fit with work. We all do that. Just make sure you schedule a rest day afterwards.

BlueLights22 · 05/11/2019 17:14

@Runningonempty84 thanks so much that's a great help, if you could that would be ace! And good to know it won't matter to much about switching days around! Thanks for your help x

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Runningonempty84 · 05/11/2019 19:06

Fab! Glad to be of help. Here's the next 3 pics:

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Runningonempty84 · 05/11/2019 19:08

And the last one, for weeks 19 and 20:

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Runningonempty84 · 05/11/2019 19:10

I successfully followed one of these plans (the intermediate one, whereas this is the beginner one) and got my goal time, so I'd massively recommend it. I think the key is doing a lot of running at marathon pace, rather than just plodding out 18/20/22 miles aimlessly.

ReviewingTheSituation · 13/11/2019 17:22

I've followed a few different plans, but I'd disagree with the poster who says don't 'plod out 18/20 miles aimlessly'. There is a lot written about the benefits of 'slow running', and particularly running your long runs at much slower than your intended marathon pace. Just to give you 2 examples - one person I know did all their long runs at 11 min/mile but ran 8 min/mile for the race, the other ran long training runs at 10 min/mile and took a whopping 15 mins off her PB, running 7.10 m/mile on the day. Clearly they both did other runs in the week at marathon pace and faster.

The problem with doing your long runs at marathon pace, especially at the business end of things when you're knocking out 18/20 miles is that your body simply can't recover sufficiently to train effectively for the next week. The point of the long run is all about 'time on feet' and getting your body used to that side of things.

I started doing 'slow running' a few months ago - taking all my long runs down in pace, to about 2 mins/mile slower than I'm used to. I managed to run my fastest half marathon for over 2 years in Oct, having not run any long distances at that pace.

Whatever you embark on, do a bit of reading around it first. It can be very easy to fall into the trap of just knocking out a load of runs without thinking about what you're gaining from that run.

Asics have quite a good site where you can put in your current stats (re pace, age etc) and also what you want to achieve in terms of time, and how many times a week you can run. It then generates a plan specific to you. I did this once, but didn't follow it properly - it had runs at 'slow' and 'comfortable' pace in there, but I stupidly ran everything at the same pace and then when push came to shove on the day I wasn't prepared - I'd done more miles than the plan and most of them at a faster speed than I should have done, and the last 6 miles on the day were utter hell.

For my next marathon, I'm using an Athletics Weekly plan. I like the look of these. I fully intend to flex it though - like you, I can't commit to a long run on a Sunday every week, but I'll fit it in somehow. I'm also doing some bits and pieces from the plan now, even though it doesn't start until the end of Dec.

The key thing is to find something that fits around your lifestyle. It has to be realistic. That's what was good about the Asics plan. If you can only run 3x per week, you need to find one that has 3 runs, and those 3 runs have to count.

If you can find someone to train with, that can help too. Or join a local running group. Helps with motivation enormously!

ReviewingTheSituation · 13/11/2019 17:34

Hmmmmm. Your post inspired me to revisit the Asics site and compare their suggested plan with the one I'm planning to follow. Seems it's not free any more (you have to sign up to RunKeeper and pay a subscription). So scratch that bit of advice from my last post!

Omlette121 · 13/11/2019 18:10

Thanks so much for your advice guys :) I've written out my plan and will use the long runs to practice the nutrition side of things....good luck for your marathon too!!

Runningonempty84 · 13/11/2019 21:24

@ReviewingTheSituation
Just to be clear, I absolutely don't advocate doing all your long runs at marathon pace. As per the plan I posted, I think some of those runs should have some sections at marathon pace, but most of it should be slow - so as not to risk injury etc. Apologies if that was unclear, but my post was in context with the plan I recommended.

I completely agree with your post. Most people train far too fast and get injured during training. I do, however, stand by the point that long runs shouldn't be an aimless slog. Some should be deliberately slow, some with deliberate MP sections, but you should know what you're setting out to do, and why. "Aimless" doesn't equate to "slow."

ReviewingTheSituation · 13/11/2019 22:03

Is there an 'intermediate' version of the plan you posted, and where can I find it? I'd be intrigued to compare it with the AW one I'm planning to follow.

Runningonempty84 · 13/11/2019 22:11

There is - I'll post it up tomorrow, when I've got the book on me. It's in Run Faster, by Hudson and Fitzgerald.
This is the one that got me to my GFA time. I've used various plans before, but this one worked for me. Horses for courses though.

Which marathon are you doing, and what time are you aiming for? My next one is Manchester in April, so I'll be picking up proper training after Christmas...

Runningonempty84 · 13/11/2019 22:15

I also like the Athletics Weekly plans in terms of "time on feet." I think that's really important, and I often think that way myself in training.

Eg/ a 2hr training run on flat road might be 15 miles or more, but a 2hr hilly run on trails might only be 12. But similar in terms of intensity.

ReviewingTheSituation · 13/11/2019 22:35

I'm doing London. I'm very excited! I had most of last year out through injury and it's been a long road back. I haven't followed a 'time on feet' plan before, but I'm totally converted to this approach to long runs now. I started in the summer, using heart rate to slow me down (took a long time to learn how to run slow!), but I'm really seeing the results- running 1 min/mile faster at the same HR than July/August.
I'd like to, one day, run a 4hr marathon (my half PB is 1.51, so it feels do-able), but I'd be happy with 4.15 in London (current PB is 4.19). I trained for 4.08 a few years ago and it all went wrong on the day, so I'm happy to just chip away at the time.

I did my PB in Manchester in 2018. I LOVED it! The support was amazing (knocked socks off Liverpool), and it's flat as a pancake. I think they're adding a city centre section next year which will be a nice addition.

I'm ramping up the training after Christmas too, but doing one of the interval sessions from the AW plan a week, just to get used to the discipline (my speed work can be hit and miss). I'm not too worried about getting the long runs up, as I tend to run 10-13 miles most Sundays if I can.

Runningonempty84 · 14/11/2019 07:47

Oooh, good luck at London! And it's good to hear Manchester's a good race; I haven't done it before. I really want sub 3:35 and hopefully sub 3:30, but we'll see. It'll be my first flat road marathon, so I'm interested to see what I could do..!

PlugUgly1980 · 17/11/2019 18:34

If you don't have time for long runs...check out Hanson's marathon training plan. Train 5/6 times per week, weekly mileage is high but longest run is only 16 miles! With two little children and training limited to early on a morning or evening treadmill, I ran my first marathon this year in a time of 3.37

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