Time to reactivate this forum - moving back to EU ?

[EmmaOfNormandy]

For some voters, this might make Labour the only viable choice at the next election if Conservatives and their side of the divide make it a policy point that they would not consider some form of rejoining.

The question is, since Labour are the ones in power now, they are the ones who could stack the deck when it comes to any terms of (re) entry.

The UK just CANNOT afford the amount of money the EU will demand from us without the extra cost of joining the Euro. Labour are willing to bankrupt the country as it is. We will become a net taker and the EU is in enough trouble now without having another country taking.

Non

A reverse of Brexit could only be done via a GE.

My understanding of the UK is that parliament is supreme can can do whatever it likes with a successful vote in the house. There is no way to stop that.

The UK joined the EEC without a referendum.

I’m talking politically.

Were Burnham to seek to overturn the 2016 referendum without going to the country, it would ultimately be electoral suicide, such are the deep divisions within the UK re Brexit.

Edit: Incidentally, it’s not simply a case of rejoining - myriad negotiations would need to take place, during which the UK would arguably be a price-taker…

I blame Labour for this mess. Brexit won because enough people were fed up with mass immigration from Eastern Europe. The Blair government could have blocked that for 5 years but didn't.

Sounds like a environmental decision being implemented by the EU that we have followed, very sensible and we should/would have implemented it anyway.

That was just an economic relationship agreeing on mutually beneficial trading rules. Nothing like the close ties on everything in order to be in the EU.

I am not a Tory supporter atm as the party has gone far too right for me as a wringing wet, but I could not have been more disappointed in Jeremy Corbyn’s lack of support for the EU and blame him, as well as Cameron for initiating the referendum in the way he did; he could have insisted on a majority in each country of the UK to make it valid. And I will never forgive Cameron for his complacency with the Remain campaign.

Anyway, I would love the UK to rejoin but I don’t see in a way why the EU would take us back so readily now, given that we delivered such a brutal kick to their face. I doubt we would ever return on the same favourable terms we once enjoyed. The EU have only just finished negotiating our exit fhs!

In ten years the EU has moved on, and Reform are still saying Brexit hasn’t been carried out properly and are still muttering on … .

I don’t want this to happen but in some ways part of me thinks you might need to give Farage a chance to become a leader, God forbid, and make a complete hash of it to convince everyone that it’s time to return wholeheartedly!

The EU decision to me is do we want to give up the rule of our Parliament and be ruled by a European Government? And give up our currency for the Euro? That's assuming after years of negotiation they vote to let us in on terms we can live with.

I'm not sure any political party will actually want that, it's like turkeys voting for Christmas. Of course some politicians may aspire to climbing the political ladder in Europe and holding greater power than they ever could in the UK.

Your acceptance that the UK parliament is supreme is noted. Shame the poster below you doesn't know that. Maybe (like myself) they aren't native to Britain ?

An odd post, but OK.

Whether you or the PP are ‘native’ to Britain is irrelevant to me, but if it concerns you, why don’t you ask them.

And now the same people complain about 'mass' immigration from countries outside the EU.

Freedom of movement was a reciprocal two way right.

But this was discussed as infinitum at the time. It wasn’t a case of being ruled by anyone because we had as much say in the rules as all of the other 26 member states; in fact we came up with many of them!

But anyway, in this current situation, and having dealt such a dreadful blow to ourselves, I think the thing to do is to watch what Canada does and maybe become an associate member?

Blair started the Eastern European invasion in 2006 by removing the caps.

I was working in Bulgaria at the time. Many locals were getting excited about being offered £25K to work in London. UK employers were happy that they were so cheap.

For some reason the UK government did not realise the following:

Cheap labour = reduced tax take

Nationals who have been displaced by cheap labour will turn to benefits.

So, the benefits bill increases while the tax take decreases. To combat this, the government has the following choices:

Increase taxes, or
Increase borrowing, or
Reduce spending on public services.

None of which are helpful.

@Crestofapage6421

I see where you are coming from regards giving Reform a go at being in power to see how Brexit should have been done. Both Farage and Sir Jacob-Rees Mogg have said that the Brexit opportunity has not been used.

The risk for the Eton and Oxford brigade is that if Farage, Reform or another Brexit supporter became PM and proved that they had done it wrong, it makes them look silly. Hence, they don’t want any such person ever to become PM.

Since the 2016 referendum, UK has had the following PMs:

Cameron (Eton and Oxford) voted remain.

May (Oxford) voted remain

Boris - was part of leave campaign, but thought they would not win.

Truss (Oxford) voted remain.

Sunak - ?

Starmer (Oxford) voted remain

Burnham (Cambridge) voted remain

So, for as long as the UK has a PM who voted remain, Brexit will always be at the bottom of the pile in terms of their own personal interests. Some, might say that they will intentionally sabotage Brexit so they can say;

“The Eton, Oxford and Cambridge elites told you it would not work, but the peasants didn’t listen”

I’m afraid you have completely misunderstood my post or I haven’t been clear enough.

I was saying that Farage and Rees-Mogg would be totally exposed by attempting to “to do Brexit right” as it is an economic impossibility!

And only then, when they had completely failed, and had been seen to fail, would everyone wholeheartedly want to re-join the EU.

Farage is a Master at criticising everyone else and running away when there is any responsibility to be taken.

One was from the Institute of Economic Studies - I'll try to dig it out again.

Not Unless you’re happy paying about 25billion a year plus rejoining fee! Not sure it’s value for money tbh.

It’s estimated. They looked at a control group of 33 countries and compared the UKs GDP growth to the weighted average of the control group. However if you add the 8% claimed gap to the UKs actual GDP growth you end up with the UKs GDP growing and around two and a half times that of Germany and twice that of France in real terms in the same period. Which some think seems very unlikely, as the UK has never achieved that position over that sort of time frame!

The key reason of course is that the control group included in the US, and not only that the US made up 31% becuase of the weighting applied. While France was weighted at 0%, despite France and Germany being the EU economies closest in size and composition to the UK…. Lies, damned lies and statistics as they say…

The biggest issue for Labour is that they weren’t behind remain when the campaigning was going on because the bulk of their core vote (ie excluding the metropolitan elite in the party) was for brexit. Those in work saw that their incomes would go up, and they have. And the older, left leaning, retired ‘working class’ were anti immigration anyway. So for as long as the leader of the Labour Party has to keep those two side of the Labour Party happy - the minority metropolitan bit of the party and the majority working class who’ve benefited from Brexit, then nothing will change. IMO anyway.

@Crestofapage6421

as it is an economic impossibility!

So, why has UK grown more than, Germany, France and Italy since Brexit?

Has lower immigration than the EU?

Has lower tariffs on exports to the US than the EU?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/burnham-brexit-russia-eu-b3064772.html

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you! Shocked!

It's going to happen.

Those who voted to leave were the ones who swooned at the prospect of licking trump's arse ad infinitum, and believed the US was Britain's natural ally and best friend forever, who would clutch Britain to its bosom in a fraternal embrace. There are very few who still cling to that doomed hope.

Services industry.

Great.

What do they produce? Steel? Gas? Wheat? Grain? Cars? Ships? No? Just lucrative financial that benefits London & the SE primarily & the rUK lastly. Because the service industry does not care about anyone or anywhere else.

Agree; we tried to understand it but how can you make an educated vote based on misinformation. I'm sick of all the liars in politics and am politically homeless these days. I think they should all be held accountable legally for their manifestos, unless for example, a force majeure interferes.