Pigs culling - necessary part of transition

[LadyWithLapdog]

WTF Johnson and Brexit supporters. I’m not a raving vegan but this is nasty and indecent, this callous remark that killing animals for nothing is just to be expected. Shameful.

@LadyWithLapdog,

The issue is money, not poor piggies. The piggies will be far happier slaughtered on farms than driven to an abattoir and gassed with high concentration co2, an ‘aversive’ (I.e highly unpleasant) gas.

Each pig is worth around £100, so it is a waste of around £10 million, but this is really not significant in terms of national income, or even how much we waste every month.

@TheReluctantPhoenix I don’t know if you meant to be insulting with the poor piggies comment and infantilise my concern about the lack of compassion and the grotesque destruction of life. Also £10 million (don’t know how you got that number) is a lot of money wasted which could have been used elsewhere.

Only significant to the farmers involved, who’s average income is about £40k, who might go out of business; where the gap in pork provision will be replaced by imports; with the knock on effect that the industry in the UK will have to then compete harder or just not bother any more........

......and lower quality/less choice for the consumer, unless they can afford very high prices for any higher-welfare, higher quality pork that might still be able to be produced in the UK...........

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@LadyWithLapdog,

The issue is money, not poor piggies. The piggies will be far happier slaughtered on farms than driven to an abattoir and gassed with high concentration co2, an ‘aversive’ (I.e highly unpleasant) gas.

Each pig is worth around £100, so it is a waste of around £10 million, but this is really not significant in terms of national income, or even how much we waste every month.[/quote]
I may be stating the obvious here, but how many sausages, rashers,chops and whatever else comes from each pig? How many meals come from them? Because that's not available now and how many families does that affect? Because with less food available prices will go up for what is on the shelves and even more people will go hungry. I'm wondering this and I'm not even in the UK nor have I eaten meat in over 20 years but it's a scary thought.

@MrsLargeEmbodied

ie. i thought it was the lack of gas to stun the pigs that was the issue

That is an additional issue.

It’s a chronic lack of butchery staff, according to the industry:

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/pig-cull-brexit-labour-shortages-farms-b1932653.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1rG8WJvA2LVbxpZ3qJZTrBW_hO6ZMPokRRayXblP6q0HOI10pTiOfCw5k#Echobox=1633448832

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@LadyWithLapdog,

Do you actually think the pigs care why they die?! Where does compassion come into this?

@Upsielazy

Yes the Tories have messed things up, and I do feel for farmers as its their livelihoods. But I do find the aw poor pigs a bit odd when the whole industry is cruel.

its far more than poor pigs.

Normally pigs go to get slaughtered in the abbatoirs. But no staff in the abbatoirs so farmers are going to end up killing and discarding their own well -reared pigs themselves for absolutely no financial gain

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@LadyWithLapdog,

Do you actually think the pigs care why they die?! Where does compassion come into this?[/quote]
For those that put their effort into rearing the animals.
For those whose livelihoods depend on getting a decent return through the market for pork.
For those who will have to slaughter and dispose of a very large number of animals because the market is blocked.
For the animals who have beed raised and slaughtered for no purpose.

Hope that helps.

@DoubleTweenQueen,

It is sad for the farmers, but I hope they get compensated.

Those doing the slaughtering are, I assume, paid for it, and it is extra money for them.

For the pigs, themselves, do you think they are chuffed to be eaten and see it as their purpose in life? And, are devastated to be humanely slaughtered in their farm, as opposed to being gassed to death with an aversive gas?

@TheReluctantPhoenix you see, you want to turn this into a look at those fluffy softies awwing over piggies. That’s ok but I don’t think there’s any point in further discussion with you as you are not doing it in good faith. Or else you’d have seen I’d already addressed whether or not it matters to the pigs how and why they’re killed. So you can go away and blow some more air up Johnson’s bum.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@DoubleTweenQueen,

It is sad for the farmers, but I hope they get compensated.

Those doing the slaughtering are, I assume, paid for it, and it is extra money for them.

For the pigs, themselves, do you think they are chuffed to be eaten and see it as their purpose in life? And, are devastated to be humanely slaughtered in their farm, as opposed to being gassed to death with an aversive gas?[/quote]
Your questions regarding whether the animals are happier to be killed to be eaten rather than killed because the market is not functioning, seem to be irrelevant to the point.

Deflection?

@DoubleTweenQueen,

‘For the animals who have beed raised and slaughtered for no purpose.’

How can addressing yourself point be ‘irrelevant to the point’?

Your point

@LadyWithLapdog

I agree the whole industry is cruel and it doesn’t matter for the pigs if they die for literally nothing or if their meat is sold for £££. I’m still appalled at the wanton destruction of life and the total lack of decency.

Here is my earlier post.

@TheReluctantPhoenix

In addition -
Who do you think will compensate the farmers for having to kill their animals? Gov comp only usually kicks in in the event of a livestock serious communicable disease outbreak, and DEFRA-directed cull.
Insurance??

Those who will ‘get paid for it, and extra money for them’, you assume - these will be the farmers themselves in conjunction with their vets. Who’s paying them extra?

@TheReluctantPhoenix

No, the farmers won't be compensated. They will have to swallow the financial loss. Some will go under, leading to a loss of jobs.

The people who have to cull the animals will be the farmers, who will have been granted special licenses. No, they will not be paid to kill their own animals.

Horrific.

Loss of income for farmers aside, it’s probably better for pigs to die at their farm than be driven to an abattoir. I’m sure they don’t care why they die. They’re probably having a better death than they would have otherwise.

@thatsnotmyzoo that doesn’t excuse the horror.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@DoubleTweenQueen,

‘For the animals who have beed raised and slaughtered for no purpose.’

How can addressing yourself point be ‘irrelevant to the point’?[/quote]
You must be quite aware that you are desperately splitting hairs!!

I agree this is a horrible situation.
Living in a rural area though, I'm well aware that Vote Leave got a lot of its support from farming communities. I wonder how many farmers regret their Brexit vote now. I do feel sorry for them, and for the direction the country is taking generally, but part of me thinks that many farmers are now getting what they voted for.

I thought that it did matter how animals were killed - that stressed animals cause the meat to be tainted. Perhaps not enough to make it unfit to eat though.

Does no one remember the last foot and mouth outbreak? DH's cousin had to have all his animals put down because the neighbouring farm got infected. This was very traumatic for all concerned but at least it was an attempt to control a disease.

@Helocariad

I agree this is a horrible situation. Living in a rural area though, I'm well aware that Vote Leave got a lot of its support from farming communities. I wonder how many farmers regret their Brexit vote now. I do feel sorry for them, and for the direction the country is taking generally, but part of me thinks that many farmers are now getting what they voted for.

I think the percentage that voted either Leave or Remain amongst the farming community reflected closely that of the overall vote - 53% to 47%.

IKWYM a lot of people are getting what they’re voting for. Let’s hope there’s some realisation and that’s reflected at the polls, but we know that’s not going to happen as there’ll be some other scapegoating going on, some other category of people to direct hate and blame at.

@LadyWithLapdog,

‘but we know that’s not going to happen as there’ll be some other scapegoating going on, some other category of people to direct hate and blame at’

And only the literati and cognoscenti, like you, unlike your average thicko voter, can see through the scapegoating to the real truth.

Must be nice to have such total confidence.