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Westminstenders: Tachographs and Empty Shelves

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pointythings · 11/07/2021 17:58

So Grant Shapps' solution to the shortage of lorry drivers is to allow them to drive longer hours.

Leading to more accidents and deaths on the UK's roads. But Brexit is Job Done and all is well - isn't it?

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DGRossetti · 22/07/2021 06:19

@TheABC

I came on to post about the NI renegotiation, too.

I am surprised the response from Brussels did not include swear words at this stage.

Why would it ? They have the legal high ground. It's the UK that is blustering.
borntobequiet · 22/07/2021 08:41

Ha! Word salad indeed, garnished with Shakespearean trigger words (seize, unleash) and more modern ones (opportunity, innovation, red tape). I believe there are people who actually think like this. They’ve trained their thought processes to run along the twin tramlines of cliché and hackneyed phrases. Of course they have no problem getting jobs because the skillset that doesn’t include any original thinking is at a premium now.

prettybird · 22/07/2021 09:08

Another TIGRR proposal to move away from the EU’s excessive use of the ‘precautionary principle’ inherited in the UK and adopt a ‘proportionality principle’ in our regulatory framework has been set out. This would mean regulation is reset to focus on outcomes, not process, and be proportionate to the issues and impacts on businesses and people.

So "we" (the UK Government) will only adapt regulations if and when damage or risk has been proven and has actually happened Sad. Note also the order "businesses and people" Hmm - demonstrates the Government's priorities Angry

Peregrina · 22/07/2021 12:39

So another race to the bottom, and copying American standards of letting the damage be done first before any action is taken.

Yet Brexiters on these threads have sworn that leaving the EU was a chance to raise standards.

Jason118 · 22/07/2021 15:39

I'm surprised that:
a. She took the call
b. She didn't tell him to FOTTFSOFTFOSM (or maybe she did)

Although horrendous for the peoples of NI, it'll be interesting to see if our esteemed government's attempt at gaslighting Germany gets anywhere.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-call-with-chancellor-merkel-22-july-2021?utmmedium=email&utmmcampaign=govuk-notifications&utmsource=9a5f3f4c-00ec-410f-869c-b342f9a4dd20&utmmcontent=immediately

DGRossetti · 22/07/2021 16:56

EU predictably told Johnson to fuck off.

The UKs credibility sinks even further ... we are a hairsbreadth away from admitting the Brexit deal was signed with our fingers crossed behind our backs (in fact rabid Brexiteers will claim that as a point of pride).

Jason118 · 22/07/2021 17:03

Racist loss
BBC News - Tommy Robinson loses High Court libel case
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57930901

HarrietPierce · 22/07/2021 18:09

twitter.com/home?lang=en-gb

Dawn Butler Brent banned from H O C for a day for telling the truth about the serial liar Johnson.

Jason118 · 22/07/2021 19:06

Well done to her - an archaic system that refuses to confront the obvious truths is a system ripe for crumbling. He speaker is weak on this - it only takes him to insist that Johnson corrects the record and I've no idea why he doesn't exercise that power.

mathanxiety · 23/07/2021 05:27

It seems a smackdown has occurred wrt the renegotiation proposal.

Johnson and crew now whinging about how literally the EU are being about an agreement they admit they never really read, and hinting churlishly about invoking Art 16. Short memories as well as everything else.

All this because Johnson put Tory seats in Westminster and his own personal ambition above all other considerations.

DGRossetti · 23/07/2021 07:43

There is a very real danger that the UKs official position becomes one that it never intended to abide by it's treaty obligations. Arguably the worst possible outcome possible.

Peregrina · 23/07/2021 09:06

There is a very real danger that the UKs official position becomes one that it never intended to abide by it's treaty obligations.

But Johnson won't have thought like that - obligations are for others in his books. Once the full ramifications hit home he will be long gone.

borntobequiet · 23/07/2021 09:38

Farming Today (from yesterday)

The distress in this mussel farmer’s voice is quite upsetting. “They didn’t read the regulations…”

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000y0lp

dontcallmelen · 23/07/2021 09:51

@DGRossetti

There is a very real danger that the UKs official position becomes one that it never intended to abide by it's treaty obligations. Arguably the worst possible outcome possible.
Totally agree, yy he will be long gone once the true extent of the damage becomes more apparent, although I’m not convinced a lot of the electorate will either care or notice.
DGRossetti · 23/07/2021 12:27

although I’m not convinced a lot of the electorate will either care or notice.

They will notice when other nations start asking for hard cash deposits to do business with and in the UK.

Jason118 · 23/07/2021 12:51

You could argue that there isn't a problem at all until the majority of the electorate notice. We are a long way from that.

DrBlackbird · 23/07/2021 17:54

@Jason118

You could argue that there isn't a problem at all until the majority of the electorate notice. We are a long way from that.
But we have already been told on this thread, numerous times.... this is exactly what they voted for Hmm
Peregrina · 23/07/2021 19:05

We have also been told that Johnson is doing a good job. Yet supermarket shelves are empty in many places. It makes you wonder if that is the standard which is accepted, what does Johnson have to do to be acknowledged as doing a bad job.

Bluethrough · 23/07/2021 20:57

@Peregrina

We have also been told that Johnson is doing a good job. Yet supermarket shelves are empty in many places. It makes you wonder if that is the standard which is accepted, what does Johnson have to do to be acknowledged as doing a bad job.
I wish we could compare to europe? in my one country survey, France hasn't got shop supply issues, well not in the SW.
HannibalHayeski · 24/07/2021 01:57

The rising cost of leaving the EU. But it's all worth it isn't it? "Job done" after all. We all knew we were going to be poorer, because that's exactly what the Leave campaign told us...

Peregrina · 24/07/2021 10:23

But the cost is immaterial to the brexiters, because we are free of the ECJ, and can control immigration. Never mind if people end up suffering.

The wealthy ones like Rees-Mogg have made sure that some of their business is done from Ireland, or they have availed themselves of EU passports, so that they are not personally impacted.

Peregrina · 24/07/2021 10:25

18 billion - that money is not now available to the NHS, which was supposedly one of the reasons for leaving.

DGRossetti · 24/07/2021 12:59

@Peregrina

18 billion - that money is not now available to the NHS, which was supposedly one of the reasons for leaving.
Your sentence does make sense, but not the way you meant it ...

By leaving, and reducing the money for the NHS (both were selling points to the architects of Brexit) the NHS is now ripe for it's slow descent into folk history. In much the same way we marvel that our forebears believed in witches, our offspring will marvel that we ever believed in free healthcare at the point of delivery.

That's the "job done". And very well too.

Peregrina · 24/07/2021 13:58

I found this order to display the EU flag hard to believe. I had to check that the date wasn't 1st April.

On the other hand, could this just be one of the signs of the tide turning against Brexit.