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Westministers : Saving the Union

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RedToothBrush · 16/02/2021 23:26

Apparently we need a tunnel. Just like we needed the £53 million failed Garden Bridge.

Nice little earner for anyone involved.

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DGRossetti · 18/02/2021 14:16

@PawFives

Great news on your vaccines DGR glad to hear it all went smoothly. I wonder if anyone else felt a tad wistful reading your ‘typically British’ description, like something from another time before all the divisive Brexit shite.
Compare and contrast with the Black Friday shitfest the media like to stir up.

I let DW answer the inevitable "And where does that come from ?" about the surname Grin. She's quite good at it now.

FatCatThinCat · 18/02/2021 14:28

Schrodingers brexit traffic chaos that requires extra police to police at the same time as not existing and requiring no police to police.

DGRossetti · 18/02/2021 14:33

@FatCatThinCat

Schrodingers brexit traffic chaos that requires extra police to police at the same time as not existing and requiring no police to police.
Wait till Kent residents start getting the bill. After all if there was no traffic predicted, there will have been no budget for it. And we know how tight the Tories are when it comes to making local authorities pay for national problems.

So presumably the Kent police authority is going to get bills from the 30 assisting authorities ? Speaking as someone whose police force has been subbing Kent up (West Midlands) I fucking well hope so.

That might be an MP matter, now I come to think of it.

dontcallmelen · 18/02/2021 14:58

@DGRossetti

Quick digression, all jabbed up. Fantastically well organised system. From in to out was 18 minutes (plus 15 minutes waiting before driving, which we did in the car Smile). From temperature test to exit was 17 spaces in the queue, and there were 4 rooms performing the jabs. I estimated they were doing a jab a minute on average, meaning 8:30-6:00 with lunch was c. 500 a day ? Which the nurse that jabbed me said they were aiming for as a target.

If you've queued for an attraction at a theme park, it will probably seem very familiar Grin

They had organised a marquee at the exit for people who wanted to or had been advised to wait ... it was hard not to look for a bar Grin

The whole experience was so beautifully British lots of polite murmuring and zero drama.

God bless the NHS once again.

So pleased it all went so well, yy the organisation has been phenomenal.
Clavinova · 18/02/2021 15:11

LostToucan
How does that solve the Beaufort’s Dyke issue?

It might not solve the issue - the feasibility review hasn't been published yet;

High Speed Rail Group (HSRG) has proposed tunnelling under the Irish Sea between Stranraer and Larne in its submission to a review led by Sir Peter Hendy, who is expected to publish his interim report within weeks.

The two towns are 31 miles apart but a preferred route for the tunnel, based on 120-year-old research by the Victorian engineer James Barton, would be diverted to avoid Beaufort’s Dyke, a 1,000ft deep trench in the Irish Sea.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/14/rail-bosses-revive-plan-to-build-tunnel-from-scotland-to-northern-ireland

mathanxiety
Do the architects/advocates of this scheme know where Portpatrick actually is? Have they ever visited the village by car or public transport?

I assume local councillors have visited at least;

Feb 2020 - Dumfries and Galloway Council said it was "certainly not averse" to the proposal [bridge] being examined...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-49661019

"We have had winds of over 60mph here, on a daily basis, for the best part of a week. The frequency of high winds here is increasing. How would a bridge in the North Channel cope?"

To be fair, the architect is now proposing a tunnel, rather than a bridge - as per my previous post/link.

the London-centric Tories
the then Tory-controlled Scottish Office

The readers' letters in your lengthy c&p (published in The National - The Newspaper That Supports An Independent Scotland^ to quote the heading in your link) fail to mention that the SNP MP for the area lost his seat to the Scottish Conservatives in 2017. Alister Jack (the current MP - Scottish Conservative and Secretary of State for Scotland) seems quite keen on the idea of a tunnel (less keen on a bridge). I doubt he is completely out of step with his constituents - there must be some local support. Fun and games in the local council as well;

Sept 2020;
Former SNP stalwart switches to Conservatives over concerns about Scottish independence plan. Councillor Andrew Wood has quit the Nationalists and claimed they had become "a far-left extremist movement". Grin

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/former-snp-stalwart-switches-conservatives-22717941

Ever heard the phrase 'joined up thinking'?

Dec 2019 [EX] TAOISEACH LEO VARADKAR has said the Irish government will not “dismiss or pooh-pooh” the idea of a bridge being built linking Northern Ireland and Scotland...

The Taoiseach told reporters...that he “knows people dismiss these things out of hand, but they used to dismiss the Channel Tunnel as well” prior to that being built.

The Taoiseach admitted that he has spoken to Johnson about the bridge idea.

“We actually chatted about that the other day when I spoke to him after his re-election as Prime Minister and I suggested that I thought it was an idea worth examining and that we should take a look at it but I expect the UK to pay for it..."

...[Varadkar thought] a “high-level engineering assessment” should be done to see whether it is a viable proposal...

He cited the Channel Tunnel, the bridge linking Denmark and Sweden and the recently-completed bridge linking Macau and Hong Kong as examples of large-scale engineering projects that have worked.

www.thejournal.ie/leo-varadkar-bridge-boris-4946052-Dec2019/

These ideas about a bridge/a floating bridge/a tunnel, are all predicated on the notion that there will be an economy in NI by the time any of the dreams come to fruition.

Don't write off NI yet - we are only 7 weeks in.

LostToucan · 18/02/2021 15:21

It might not solve the issue - the feasibility review hasn't been published yet

Spoiler alert - it won’t.

Because it’s a proposed submerged tunnel.

And given that there are no records of exactly what has been dumped where and how far any of it has moved over the intervening decades, it’s highly unlikely that anchoring a submerged tunnel will get through a risk assessment.

Clavinova · 18/02/2021 15:35

Peregrina
Clavinova will be agin it because...

In fact, I'm not actually against the Camden Highline - I posted;

I don't disagree - in reply to;

The Highline...Amazing project, turning something that was a blot on the landscape into something a beauty.

I did point out the cost of the project though.

mathanxiety
The Garden Bridge otoh was to be located over the river (being a bridge and all). It was envisioned as an expensive white elephant with no relationship or benefit to the localities on either end.

A bridge backed by Sadiq Khan at one stage - he was later accused of flip-flopping on the idea;

Mr Khan said: “The Garden Bridge could rival New York’s High Line but it must be a genuinely public and open space for all Londoners, rather than a closed and private space.

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/garden-bridge-future-secured-as-project-wins-sadiq-khan-s-backing-a3250831.html

HannibalHayes · 18/02/2021 16:13

Ah yes. There's no problem that can't be made worse with Iain Duncan Smith...

Clavinova · 18/02/2021 16:13

Jason118
Speaking of government blather
helping small businesses adapt to changes in trade rules with the EU. 20m pounds/6m SMEs.

The vast majority of small businesses do no import/export trade at all - your local plumber gets his/her supplies from B&Q/a plumbers merchant - and your local convenience store owner orders from a wholesaler/cash & carry...

Peregrina · 18/02/2021 16:20

The cost of the Camden project isn't especially great as far as such projects go. Unlike Johnson's vanity projects, which eat taxpayers money and come to nothing.

Yes, they might eventually build a bridge to Ireland, although you if you were starting from scratch you wouldn't put it there. Holyhead to Dublin and Fishguard to Rosslare are still the shortest routes, with the Holyhead route being the one nearest to major centres of population. By the time any tunnel got built, Johnson will be long gone.

Dear God - just seen DGR's posting about IDS being appointed - why keep appointing failures and expect the results to be any different?

Peregrina · 18/02/2021 16:26

your local plumber gets his/her supplies from B&Q/a plumbers merchant - and your local convenience store owner orders from a wholesaler/cash & carry...

Where do B & Q and the wholesaler's get their supplies from? Some things will still be home produced, but a whole lot won't be. Hence the difficulties now with Brexit and Trade.

Peregrina · 18/02/2021 16:30

There's no problem that can't be made worse with Iain Duncan Smith...

Come now, he could have appointed failing Grayling, or Williamson - there is absolutely no shortage of mediocrities in his Government who can be guaranteed to make a mess of things. Anyone would think it was deliberate.

ListeningQuietly · 18/02/2021 16:32

DGR
I am DELIGHTED to hear that your vaccinations went so smoothly
and that you are both soon to be safe from severe COVID illness.

ListeningQuietly · 18/02/2021 16:35

Just for Clavinova
The correct way to get to Northern Ireland

DGRossetti · 18/02/2021 16:40

@ListeningQuietly

DGR I am DELIGHTED to hear that your vaccinations went so smoothly and that you are both soon to be safe from severe COVID illness.
I know it's going OT ... but hoping it helps anyone who is anxious. And frankly I cannot post my love for the NHS enough anyway.
HoneysuckIejasmine · 18/02/2021 16:42

Are there competent Tory MPs around to choose instead?

Thought they all quit.

Clavinova · 18/02/2021 16:45

Peregrina
Where do B & Q and the wholesaler's get their supplies from?

I've found the press release - it's targeted funding;

Today (Thursday 11 February), the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster Michael Gove has announced a £20 million SME Brexit Support Fund to support small and medium sized businesses (SMEs) adjust to new customs, rules of origin, and VAT rules when trading with the EU.

SMEs who trade only with the EU and are therefore new to importing and exporting processes will be encouraged to apply for grants of up to £2,000 for each trader to pay for practical support including training and professional advice to ensure they can continue trading effectively with the EU.

www.gov.uk/government/news/government-announces-20-million-sme-brexit-support-fund

Peregrina · 18/02/2021 16:48

Why is support needed? It was all going to be a bed of roses, wasn't it. Easiest deals in history, blah, blah, blah.

DGRossetti · 18/02/2021 16:50

@Peregrina

Why is support needed? It was all going to be a bed of roses, wasn't it. Easiest deals in history, blah, blah, blah.
The nasty EU ?
ListeningQuietly · 18/02/2021 16:53

www.gov.uk/guidance/grants-to-help-small-and-medium-sized-businesses-new-to-importing-or-exporting
What could possibly go wrong? Hmm
How you’ll apply
PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) will be administering the grants for HMRC.
You will apply online but the applications are not open yet. This page will be updated when you can submit an application.
Published 11 February 2021

DGRossetti · 18/02/2021 16:58

I wonder if all of a sudden we'll see a massive spike in businesses that want to start importing and exporting ?

After all, if the pork barrel is out ...

Peregrina · 18/02/2021 16:59

Published 11 February 2021

At the latest this should have been published a year earlier when Johnson had 'Got Brexit Done'.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 18/02/2021 17:14

Not really a surprise is it

www.newschainonline.com/news/brexit-government-acknowledges-non-tariff-trading-barriers-have-emerged-100587

The Government has conceded that some “non-tariff trading barriers” have emerged due to the post-Brexit trade deal with the EU.

Boris Johnson insisted that there would be no such barriers as he detailed his deal brokered with Brussels, which came into force when the transition period ended on December 31.

But on Thursday the Government acknowledged some had emerged as well as “supply-chain challenges”.

Labour said ministers were admitting “what has been clear for weeks” and urged them to reduce the bureaucracy to prevent costs being driven up for British exporters.

DGRossetti · 18/02/2021 17:18

Labour said ministers were admitting “what has been clear for weeks” and urged them to reduce the bureaucracy to prevent costs being driven up for British exporters.

So Labour are also on planet ga-ga ?

So pleased I'm closer to death than birth.