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Brexit

Westministers : Saving the Union

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RedToothBrush · 16/02/2021 23:26

Apparently we need a tunnel. Just like we needed the £53 million failed Garden Bridge.

Nice little earner for anyone involved.

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DGRossetti · 24/02/2021 16:48

@Bee0808

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!
Well this guy didn't ...
Westministers : Saving the Union
Bee0808 · 24/02/2021 16:48

Oh, fuck me...

The stupidity is 😳

DGRossetti · 24/02/2021 17:21

www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/opinion/brexit-is-closing-doors-for-uk-architects-working-in-europe

Brexit is closing doors for UK architects working in Europe

Architects need to make their voices heard about the impact of Brexit – it is threatening London’s position as the global hub for international architectural services, says Patrick Richard

The government seems to have ignored the effect of Brexit on the creative industries, which contribute more than a quarter of the UK’s economy. This de facto imposed hard Brexit on the industry is creating major challenges for architects – and the creative sector in general – as 40 years of complex agreements unravel into a vacuum.

As of 31 December last year, we have lost important freedoms, and we no longer have reciprocity of recognition for our qualifications in the EU. What was a simple administrative application is now turning into a much more complex process, with more paperwork and proofs of compliance required.

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TartrazineCustard · 24/02/2021 17:53

Gosh, you mean there was NO THOUGHT GIVEN AT ALL about how to make Brexit work for Britons outside the chums in the ERG?

Architects, fishermen, farmers, students, musicians, fashion designers... who's next on the "entire group screwed by Brexit" list?

RedToothBrush · 24/02/2021 18:03

The VAT guy does seem to make this opinion piece sound spot on:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/23/brexit-machine-perpetual-grievance-britain-brussels
Brexit is a machine to generate perpetual grievance. It's doing its job perfectly
Rafael Behr

The story of plucky Britain standing up to bullying Brussels spares leavers the discomfort of admitting they voted for a con

But in politics, an old pattern is playing out – a cycle of suspicion and self-sabotage that began long before the 2016 referendum.

It starts with the belief that Britain does not depend on its neighbours for trade or anything else. That leads to neglect of the diplomacy required to make the partnership work. Going against the grain of economics and geography escalates every negotiation into a test of national self-esteem. Each adjustment for reality is resented as a surrender of sovereignty.

Euroscepticism is a machine for generating perpetual grievance. It works by making Brussels the enemy, spoiling relations and serving up the soured mood to a domestic audience as proof that the other side does not want to be friends.

and

Were it not for the pandemic, loose ends and lost jobs would be making more headlines. Whether they would also be changing public opinion is a different question. Some enthusiasm is surely dropping into the chasm between Brexit as liberation theology and its real-world incarnation as rotting fish undelivered to a Calais market. But British political culture contains deep reserves of stoical resignation to adversity (especially other people’s adversity). There is no simple road back, no better deal on the table, and it is easy for ministers to spin the pain mandated by their deal as aggression by vengeful Europeans.

Leavers will be attracted to that story because it spares them the discomfort of admitting that they voted for a con, and then made a prime minister of the con artist. Keir Starmer will not fight on that terrain since doing so gets him no affection in constituencies that were lost by Labour in 2019. Thus (in England, at least) the folly of Brexit is being buried for excavation some time in the future, perhaps by a different political generation.

It might happen sooner, but I suspect any shift in opinion on the EU will come only as a consequence of some wider collapse in Johnson’s personal standing. He is the denial that people elected. For many voters, disillusionment with Brexit is downstream of disappointment with the whole “Boris” shtick in the flow of political events.

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LEnferCestLesAutres · 24/02/2021 18:03

I finally got around to skimming through the FT's annual survey of c.100 economists.

There is a clear consensus that Brexit is likely to hamper our recovery from the pandemic. depophelp.zendesk.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360001772448-I-haven-t-received-my-item

Sunlit uplands indeed....

FatCatThinCat · 24/02/2021 18:06

She also claims some Brexiters are consumed with hatred for Germany and gripped by a myth that they liberated Europe on their own, describing Brexit as a triumph of emotion over reason, won by a campaign full of lies in which negative attitudes to migration were exploited by figures such as Johnson and Michael Gove.

Wow! I didn't realise my mum had met the French embassador. Probably happened after she single handedly fought on the beaches at Normandy and beat the Germans, despite not having even been born then.

DrBlackbird · 24/02/2021 18:06

@Peregrina

It seems that the Isle of Man is negotiating its own shellfish agreement. Useless Eustace is not happy.
How clever of them. I'm perfectly happy for the Isle of Man to do this... No wonder Useless is upset. He cannot lie his way out of how this perfectly illustrates the stupidity of Brexit.
LEnferCestLesAutres · 24/02/2021 18:09

on.ft.com/2Nz3lc4

Oops! That'll teach me to try to assist DS with his endless depop woes while posting! lol

ListeningQuietly · 24/02/2021 18:58

@Bee0808
On another thread somewhere I heard of a delivery driver who rang a doorbell.
Through the door he could hear the family saying to each other
"are you expecting a parcel delivery"
eventually they opened the door and he said
Nobody Expects the Spanish Inquisition
the kids had to come down and sign as the parents were curled up laughing Grin

DGRossetti · 24/02/2021 19:01

General Synods "Life of Python" Grin ...

ListeningQuietly · 24/02/2021 19:04

LEnfer
That list is depressing.
Gerard Lyons is gung ho
Patrick Minford is equivocal
Over 100 others say no

ParadiseIsland · 24/02/2021 19:15

any shift in opinion on the EU will come only as a consequence of some wider collapse in Johnson’s personal standing. He is the denial that people elected.

I agree with that. And I think it’s even more the case for the pandemic.
Hoping for a quick change of heart is naive.
I don’t think there is any other choice but to embrace the situation, try and make it work (so it has the least repercussions) and hope moods will change later on. I’d give it 10 years though.

LEnferCestLesAutres · 24/02/2021 20:25

ListeningQuietly and Minford's contribution is a somewhat Delphic single sentence! The survey was carried out before the Brexit deal was finalised, and I am not an economist, but these economists seem unable to identify any Brexit-related advantage, at least in the short/medium term - the debate is more about the precise/likely extent of the damage.

I did enjoy the final quote:

"To the long list of structural problems in the UK — in housing, education, health, transport . . . we have now the issue of how to grapple with the long-term impact of Covid-19. I feel confident that this government, severed as it is from rational discourse in so many ways — hence the worst form of Brexit — will prove completely unable to grapple with any of this."
mrslaughan · 24/02/2021 22:11

This is so fucking depressing

twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1364698383483605003?s=21

mathanxiety · 25/02/2021 07:28

I find some of his other tweets very political as well.

So if Daniel Lambert's wine business seems to be doing fine his tweets to that effect are not 'political'?

It's like people claiming they have no accent and it turns out they come from SE England.

mathanxiety · 25/02/2021 07:34

...the Chancellor of the Exchequer’s announcement last November [2020], stating that the UK Government will issue its first Sovereign green bond in 2021, followed by a series of further issuances to meet growing investor demand for sustainable finance instruments...

Yes, as I stated, the UK is very late to the party.

You would almost be tempted to wonder if the entire green thing came as a big surprise.
Green bonds are probably one of the growth areas identified by Catherine McGuiness (political leader of the Square Mile’s ruling body) when she said; "we will make up business elsewhere.”
She didn't identify anything.
That statement is as woolly as 'Brexit means Brexit'.

DrBlackbird · 25/02/2021 08:09

Saw this BTL comment in Guardian blog on yesterday's PMQ and thought it too apt not to share...

Angela Rayner had tweeted this:
Either @BorisJohnson* is a liar or he is simply too incompetent to know that he has cut the budget of Transport for the North by 40%*

And the BTL comment note that:
This is not a matter of either/or.

HesterThrale · 25/02/2021 08:10

mrslaughan that is extremely worrying. What even is a trillion £?

It bugs me that people will have seen/ believed Eustice on C4 news, saying the border was smooth. Here’s the truth of the situation.

Brexit trade delays getting worse at UK border, survey finds

Delays importing and exporting goods to and from the EU have worsened since Brexit was introduced at the start of the year and will result in stock shortages and price rises for consumers, according to a report.

A survey of 350 supply chain managers found that two out of three had experienced delays of “at least two to three days” getting goods into the UK, compared with 38% who reported delays in a similar survey in January.

We’re almost at the fake news point, where ministers will start claiming something is ‘alternative facts’.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/24/brexit-trade-delays-getting-worse-uk-border-survey-finds

mrslaughan · 25/02/2021 08:39

Trillion is a million million..... even if the managed to avoid tax on some of it - there's still a fuck ton of money involved - tax on revenues , tax on income to the people managing running the system......

And as for that stupid individual running the Bank of England ..... what did they expect when they thumbed their nose to the EU that they were going to become a huge competitor- and take business off EU centres..... that they would take that lying down? He is so thick - only way he could have got there under this regime....

mrslaughan · 25/02/2021 08:45

Re - the Isle of Man..... well I guess that's the bit about being a "protectorate" , when the relationship becomes harmful , you have to ditch it!!
Good on the Isle of Man!

Bee0808 · 25/02/2021 08:59

2020 DfE: we are going to create a shitshow around exams and results which will never be matched.

2021 DfE: hold my beer.

What HAVE the DfE been doing for the last 10 months!?

Bee0808 · 25/02/2021 09:00

LQ
Awesome 👌

TheElementsSong · 25/02/2021 09:17

Brexit trade delays getting worse at UK border, survey finds

Ah, but did any of those surveyed have "political" views? As we all know, the existence of "political" views completely invalidates and eclipses whatever else one has to say about anything Grin

FatCatThinCat · 25/02/2021 09:23

It bugs me that people will have seen/ believed Eustice on C4 news, saying the border was smooth. Here’s the truth of the situation.

What he said was contradictory. He said that it was all ticketyboo because half of lorries were dealt with within an hour and the majority within 3 hours. So saying it was fine at the same time as saying all of them were delayed because pre brexit they would almost all have been dealt with in under a minute.

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