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Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.

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RedToothBrush · 31/01/2021 13:58

An 'interesting' week. To say the least.

It has highlighted the purpose, point and weaknesses of the EU. It has revealled that the Irish Border is an ongoing issue which can not be ignored. Not only is it causing shortages in NI but it also reminds us that a zero covid strategy for the UK can not be managed unilaterally; we are not New Zealand.

It shows up the changing geo-politics of leaving. We have applied to join the Asia-Pacific free trade pact just a day after Macron told us to chose out allies and reminded us that geography and history have always tied our fate to France.

The epic fuck up of the EU has lead a rallying cry of support for leaving... but covid is currently hiding much of the reality of the implications of Brexit which will yet come out in the wash.

Brexit and Covid are tied together as conjoined twins of economic disaster though. Once restrictions start to lift, the shit will start to hit the fan. The efforts on where to aportion blame will start but it won't be on Brexit. We've known this for some time. Brexit no longer is relevant. Except of course it is. But who is writing the winner's narrative? Things are as they have always been. There is no squirrel. The squirrel is thinking that Brexit and Covid are separate things when those in charge don't.

In terms of the vaccine suggest, I think its worth reflecting on why it was successful. Johnson played the vaccine procurement like a gambler, who bet on all the horses in order to ensure we got a winner. Throwing the kitchen sink at a problem which shut the entire economy down was always the safe option. Especially when it was also a pretty certain bet that there would be unequal rollout and a shortage when one was found. If you think about it in those terms, it easier to see how this has been a success for the government: if only one vaccine was successful, we'd be grateful we'd invested in so many options. If all the vaccines came in good we'd end up in a good place. It was a win:win strategy, and one that was not that hard to do. We now find that whilst we were cutting the International Aid Budget we were also working on soft power that excess vaccine stocks and production capability bring... I note here its actually much harder to pull off successfully if you are considerably larger like the EU because of the sheer numbers involved - the dynamics always favoured the UK and I think this probably was something the UK was aware of and was worked into strategic planning. Other things will be much harder to get such easy political wins on - not least because they still involve the economics of geography and that being smaller is typically a weakness not a strength in trading - vaccines and supply shortages are the ultimate exception not the rule. The rule is proven by the EU's politicking and the threat of a vaccine trade war.

Thus the Tory Party have seen Brexit and Covid as being intrinsically linked for some time. I don't think everyone else has quite managed to wrap their head around the fact that its near impossible at this stage to disentangle to two because of this mentality.

This current batch of Tories are disaster capitalists after all, and the twin of Brexit and Covid is a gift to their ambition.

I'll just remind you what the goal really is here. Remember Johnson's speech at the Tory Party Conference in October:
www.conservatives.com/news/boris-johnson-read-the-prime-ministers-keynote-speech-in-full

We have been through too much frustration and hardship just to settle for the status quo ante – to think that life can go on as it was before the plague; and it will not. Because history teaches us that events of this magnitude – wars, famines, plagues; events that affect the vast bulk of humanity, as this virus has – they do not just come and go.

They are more often than not the trigger for an acceleration of social and economic change, because we human beings will not simply content ourselves with a repair job.

He is fully signed up to the Cummings/Gove school of thought of burn it down and rebuild afresh.

The idea that he cares about sorting out and repairing the problems Brexit brings, miss the ultimate point: He doesn't want to.

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ListeningQuietly · 05/02/2021 10:39

I shall pass comment on the Parish Council meeting once I've watched it
BUT
If this gives the Committee on Standards in Public Life the oomph to undo the damage caused by Eric Pickles
and bring back a proper enforcable standards regime
GOOD
as ALL LEVELS of elected representative will have to improve

DGRossetti · 05/02/2021 11:07

www.channel4.com/news/fishermen-in-cornwall-face-ruin-over-eu-post-brexit-trade-rules

I did like this, in the FB comments ...

Westminstenders: Disaster Capitalism.
DGRossetti · 05/02/2021 11:08

One for LQ ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55887043

Brexit: 71 pages of paperwork for 1 lorry of fish

SabrinaThwaite · 05/02/2021 11:21

Glad to say that the Community Council I used to sit on wasn't at all like that Parish Council. I gave up in the end because it was pretty toothless (and hadn't been helped by Council and local developer employees inveigling their way in to influence statutory responses).

ListeningQuietly · 05/02/2021 11:49

I have just read up a bit about that council
and watched the videos etc
ATROCIOUS
but utterly typical of certain councils.

Eric Pickles did SO MUCH DAMAGE
that needs to be undone fast.

ListeningQuietly · 05/02/2021 11:52

@DGRossetti

One for LQ ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55887043

Brexit: 71 pages of paperwork for 1 lorry of fish

mutters I told you so under her breath.

The UK is outside the EU
Under WTO rules, all non EU fish producers are the same.
UK producers are treated the same as shrimp fishermen from the delta of a polluted Asian river
its utterly sensible and predictable

HannibalHayes · 05/02/2021 13:32

Oh dear. John Redwood demonstrating his total idiocy yet again.

John Redwood
@johnredwood
Will the supermarkets buy the shellfish the EU will not take and work with our fishing industry to sell it to U.K. buyers?

One wonders when reality will finally sink in...

WhatdoImean · 05/02/2021 13:48

Hmmmm - the issue is not the shellfish but the purification... Unless there is a purification plant available, no-one will be eating them I believe. Previously this was done in France. I cannot see anyone building such a plant in the UK due to a) demand not being there, b) if there was demand, by the time it was built, the UK fishers will be out of business and it will all be French fishers....

DGRossetti · 05/02/2021 14:11

@HannibalHayes

Oh dear. John Redwood demonstrating his total idiocy yet again.

John Redwood
@johnredwood
Will the supermarkets buy the shellfish the EU will not take and work with our fishing industry to sell it to U.K. buyers?

One wonders when reality will finally sink in...

Why is he asking ? As one of the more enthusiastic Brexiteers who assured us they knew what they were doing, why isn't he telling them ?
TheElementsSong · 05/02/2021 14:35

There's 17 million (and growing, if you believe the vaccine threads here) Leavers. It's their patriotic BeLeaving duty to purify any languishing shellfish, with teeny-tiny tweezers if need be, and then to purchase and eat the results afterwards.

FrankieStein402 · 05/02/2021 15:56

> So there is no obligation or duty for civil servants to speak out when they know the government is lying to the people ?

Government admits being in breach of law wrt publishing contracts and actually asked civil servants to delay publication:
goodlawproject.org/update/government-in-breach-of-the-law/

Government "claims that the good law project doesn't have standing to bring the case. ie More of an attempt at avoiding a finding than a 'defence'

DGRossetti · 05/02/2021 15:58

So there is no obligation or duty for civil servants to speak out when they know the government is lying to the people ?

Just remembered Clive Ponting. Although his incident was lying to Parliament, not the unwashed public.

And we know that lying in parliament was legalised during the May government.

ListeningQuietly · 05/02/2021 16:04

Channel Tunnel Freight Volumes collapse
No shit sherlock.

Pre COVID and Brexit there were around 10,000 freight vehicle crossings of the channel each day
(5,000 each way)
Of those around 1,000 each way were the Irish land Bridge
which has found a better way

Around 1,000 each way were components shuttling among manufacturing supply chains in the EU

Around 1,000 each way were the integrated food supply chain for shops and restaurants and caterers

Then you have the residual effects of December stockpiling winding down
and the longer lasting effects of purchasing choices changing due to the customs border

If the traffic settles much above 3500 movements each way per day I'd be surprised

HappyWinter · 05/02/2021 16:12

Thanks DGRossetti, the freight story is worrying. LQ When do you think the inability to restock warehouses will become a problem?

DGRossetti · 05/02/2021 16:19

I seem to be able to post on average 2 bad news stories a day this month. Most don't suggest teething problems, but just a shit deal that won't get any better.

Our old mate Phil (ADifferentBias) noted with interest that Sir David Frost (not that one) is being retained as top Brexit negotiator:

  • But I thought Brexit was done ?!
Nope. It's only just started. Many years ahead.

which also notes that the are upcoming EU-UK talks about things like financial services where the UK wants and the EU has. Meaning it's probably a good idea to play nice in advance.

Sorry Arlene.

ListeningQuietly · 05/02/2021 16:35

Happywinter
I think the destocking will be a slow death by 1000 cuts.
I just went shopping and the stock levels are definitely falling
but they are hiding it by spreading stuff out
(except for the frozen stuff which has BIG gaps)

and stuff is coming in
but more expensive

DGRossetti · 05/02/2021 16:45

@ListeningQuietly

Happywinter I think the destocking will be a slow death by 1000 cuts. I just went shopping and the stock levels are definitely falling but they are hiding it by spreading stuff out (except for the frozen stuff which has BIG gaps)

and stuff is coming in
but more expensive

I imagine Sainsburys are well prepared, from their over 3 decades of shit stock control.

They've already deployed Phase 1, which is "move all the stock you do have to cover the gaps of stock you don't have". No real problem for expert shoppers like DW and I, but I imagine there will be quite a few people who get home only to find they picked up the wrong item.

Also between us, as part of losing a fucktonne of weight a few years back, we are quite ascetic. Which helps. If you can't fix the system, probably better to lower your expectations - certainly explains our current government.

ListeningQuietly · 05/02/2021 16:48

A pithy and excellent read as always
chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/

TartrazineCustard · 05/02/2021 17:06

Speaking of Sainsbury's, our local one has no fresh herbs at all this week. It's like being back in the 80's cooking with dried herbs.

TartrazineCustard · 05/02/2021 17:10

[quote DGRossetti]So there is no obligation or duty for civil servants to speak out when they know the government is lying to the people ?

Duly noted.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/people-misled-on-irish-sea-border-says-ex-law-chief-3qjqwjxs7[/quote]
Whistleblowing/leaking - it's all treated the same way.

DGRossetti · 05/02/2021 17:11

@TartrazineCustard

Speaking of Sainsbury's, our local one has no fresh herbs at all this week. It's like being back in the 80's cooking with dried herbs.
Wait till you get to the 1970s, and it's "What herbs ?"

My Godfather use to smuggle Chorizo in from Spain in the 1970s, for his DM.

SabrinaThwaite · 05/02/2021 17:17

I seem to remember that black pepper and curry powder was about as racy as it got in the 1970s.

ListeningQuietly · 05/02/2021 17:24

DGR
Pre single market, we used to get the drivers to smuggle in olive oil Wink

DGRossetti · 05/02/2021 17:28

@ListeningQuietly

DGR Pre single market, we used to get the drivers to smuggle in olive oil Wink
We were sorted for Italian food (used to blow customers minds Grin) - loads of people who DF knew had friends and relatives popping over. DF preferred to bring back cigarettes (he didn't smoke) for the best profit when he popped over.

All of which seems quaint now, when you consider what could be smuggled in since the UK gave up checks.