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Brexit Deal

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ancientgran · 23/12/2020 22:07

ITV news saying they've done a deal. No details yet.

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AuntieStella · 24/12/2020 06:43

Press are camped out in Downing Street, and BBC saying announcement could be as soon as 7am

ChristmasinJune · 24/12/2020 06:58

As I understand it, we've basically given in on the fish quotas issue, or at least agreed to a very significantly reduced amount. At this point though, I'm just glad there's a deal. This is the idea though isn't it? We're so relieved to have an 11th hour deal that we'll agree to anything!

FreshfieldsGal · 24/12/2020 07:05

I feel quite sad that it's done and dusted, although better than no deal.
DH voted for brexit and he has said many times since that if there was another vote that he would vote to stay in. I'm sure there are many like him.

ThatsMySantaHisBeardIsSoFluffy · 24/12/2020 07:06

It would've been stupid (but therefore feasible for this bunch of incompetents) to refuse a deal that was fine, except for fishing, which represents 0.12% of our GDP.

When you consider how much of our catch requires a European market too, it was daft to be willy-waving over it.

I'm interested to see the detail (though I'm glad my Christmas hasn't just been ruined by the arrival of a 2000 page agreement to read!) and what it actually means on a practical level.

I am idly wondering how much influence the crisis at the ports has had on our negotiations in the last few days. Surely a fair amount!

ThatsMySantaHisBeardIsSoFluffy · 24/12/2020 07:08

@FreshfieldsGal

I feel quite sad that it's done and dusted, although better than no deal. DH voted for brexit and he has said many times since that if there was another vote that he would vote to stay in. I'm sure there are many like him.
A close family member said that to me yesterday, that when the shit show became clear, she'd have voted to remain if she'd been given another chance.
AuntieStella · 24/12/2020 07:09

BBC saying 'timings might slip this morning'

Both sides will need to portray the other as having caved, whether fish or anything else

MushMonster · 24/12/2020 07:27

Something almost done then! Now they have to get parlament to agree. Let's see if they are giving them only a few days next week or they will go into January.
I really hope Parlament does their bit this time!

willsantausesantatize · 24/12/2020 08:19

@MushMonster

Something almost done then! Now they have to get parlament to agree. Let's see if they are giving them only a few days next week or they will go into January. I really hope Parlament does their bit this time!
Let's hope they vote it through then.
amadeus1 · 24/12/2020 08:22

Read on my EU country,s news website bBJ giving talk today

CherryRoulade · 24/12/2020 08:22

No deal could be anywhere near the benefits we are losing. Posturing popularism that will have the tattooed vest-wearers cheering because they know no better.

Notonthestairs · 24/12/2020 08:25

Announcement at 10am.
Let's hope MP's actually read it this time (to stop them carping in 3 months time that they can't possibly abide by it).

Cecily42 · 24/12/2020 08:31

Ridiculous and embarrassing for the UK. Europe laughing and shaking their heads.

willsantausesantatize · 24/12/2020 08:33

@Cecily42

Ridiculous and embarrassing for the UK. Europe laughing and shaking their heads.
I bet they are pleased to be seeing the back of us to be honest.
ChristmasinJune · 24/12/2020 08:36

A close family member said that to me yesterday, that when the shit show became clear, she'd have voted to remain if she'd been given another chance

After 2016 I believed that it was a mistake and if people had a chance to vote again it would be different. I think though that the results of the last election extinguished the lingering doubt..... an awful lot of people want this to happen, God knows why!!

notimagain · 24/12/2020 08:42

Europe laughing and shaking their heads.

I really genuinely don't think anybody will be laughing, but quite possibly some shaking heads in disbelief at what they perceive Britain has decided to do to itself...

willsantausesantatize · 24/12/2020 08:44

I remember the yes vote in the 70s and my parents wanted nothing to do with it ( they had lived through the war etc)
My older brothers voted yes. Were all for it.
I'm 2016 my elderly dad ( 93 by then ) voted remain and one of my brothers voted leave! They are not ' tattooed vest wearing yops' far from it ( quite well off , middle class no tats , two homes)
Not all leavers were this stereotype at all. Far from it. They had other reasons for wanting to leave. Many did and many that voted leave are like this.
Let's hope this new deal is voted through.

RoseAndRose · 24/12/2020 08:50

It's a pity we did not have the referendum on Maastrict and close political union. Support in the 1970s was to remain in EEC.

And the main thing that seems to concern people now is trade and workers - both of which were pre-Maastricht. It's loss of EEC, not closer integrated EU that people appear to care about most

willsantausesantatize · 24/12/2020 08:58

I think people want it over to be honest.
It won't be : this is only the start of it but we also need to move on.

AethelsWhiteGoose · 24/12/2020 09:06

Well nothing will be as good a deal as what we had when part of the EU but this is much better than the alternative of crashing out. Hope it was worth the 200bn it’s already cost.

Sad times for the UK.

HmmSureJan · 24/12/2020 09:14

I know a HT who voted leave. He'd been teaching in a mainland European country for many years. In 2015, he left his job there and returned to the U.K. then subsequently voted leave in the referendum. He told me he'd be watching how things were moving politically in the country he was in and was so worried that he uprooted his whole family with full agreement of his wife and came back.

I voted remain but he is an intelligent and committed man who I have known for many years and his stance has really made me try to see where both sides were coming from over these past few years.

HmmSureJan · 24/12/2020 09:15

@Cecily42

Ridiculous and embarrassing for the UK. Europe laughing and shaking their heads.
I don't think they are at all. I think some countries will be watching carefully to see how we fare.
jasjas1973 · 24/12/2020 09:24

If there is tariff free trade, thats brilliant.

But its on goods only, the remaining 80% of our economy is services and that is not covered at all.

NI appears to be hived off.

I hope there is movement on Erasmus and EHIC if not now, v soon, plus the 90/180 rule.

Great pity there will be no scrutiny, 2000 pages of detail will go through on the nod, its an agreement that will affect us all for many years to come.

Mumofsend · 24/12/2020 09:30

If and I do mean if we do well other countries will follow quite quickly.

I know many would have voted remain in hindsight but there's also a popular opinion locally that people would have voted leave in a second referendum purely to honour the first one

cherin · 24/12/2020 10:10

@Mumofsend

If and I do mean if we do well other countries will follow quite quickly.

I know many would have voted remain in hindsight but there's also a popular opinion locally that people would have voted leave in a second referendum purely to honour the first one

That’d be like saying that one can keep on being against divorce or women’s right or race equality to honour the fact they’ve been purposely repressed for a few centuries...
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ancientgran · 24/12/2020 10:12

I never understand the "honouring the first referendum" life changes, things move on. Do they object to divorce as you have to honour that, or do they religiously vote the same in every election to honour the previous one? If you are a grown up and you think you made the wrong decision first time (either side) then why wouldn't you vote with more knowledge next time.

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