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Westministenders: Festive Edition

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RedToothBrush · 22/12/2020 21:00

Good King BBBBaBoris looked out,
on the Port of Dover,
There the shit lay round about,
Deep around the stopover;
Brightly shone the moon that night,
Tho’ the frost was cruel,
When a poor man came in sight,
Delivering stuff for Yule.

“Bugger SAGE and stand by me,
We've all stuff that needs selling,
Yonder peasant, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?”
“Sire, he lives a good league hence,
The other side the EU;
Though relations maybe tense,
He's trying to get goods through.”

“Oh god I need another wine,
I have many crisis to consider:
We must tell them its all fine,
I must not be seen to dither.”
SAGE and monarch, forth they went,
forth they went together;
Through the nation's sad lament
and really crappy weather.

“Sire, our plight is darker now,
And the covid transmission stronger;
Fails my heart, I know not how;
To keep Tier 2 much longer.”
“Soon we can drop their wage.
And treat them all more coldly
In Britain's new chrony age
A time to rob more boldly.”

In their master’s steps they trod,
On the quest to get minted;
Each and every last sod
Needs to be fingerprinted.
Therefore, Christian men, be sure,
DWP claimants are processing,
Ye who now will bless the poor,
God its all so depressing.

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Peregrina · 30/12/2020 16:04

Labour could do NOTHING to stop the deal going through but by supporting it they have removed their right to criticise and oppose the Government on all things Brexit.

I agree. Brexit goes tits up and the taunt will be 'You voted for it'. Brexit is a success and it will be a Tory success.

DrBlackbird · 30/12/2020 16:05

Human adaptability is an amazing survival trait. But at this moment in time, I feel very very down about the state of our politics and our politicians. So I do appreciate the humour displayed on this thread. Only small bright light in a sea of hubris and stupidity.

Peregrina · 30/12/2020 16:10

Mine thankfully did vote no, but it makes the LibDems and SNP bedfellows with the DUP, obviously for different reasons.

I see that deadwood Redwood abstained. I wonder why?

DGRossetti · 30/12/2020 16:12

@DrBlackbird

Human adaptability is an amazing survival trait. But at this moment in time, I feel very very down about the state of our politics and our politicians. So I do appreciate the humour displayed on this thread. Only small bright light in a sea of hubris and stupidity.
History teaches us that bloody revolutions are inevitable. Either from within, or without. And it's usually cold comfort for the generations that experience it, that previous generations put it off in a doomed attempt to maintain a status quo.

I've never once subscribed to the "Can't happen here" school of doing things. Anything can happen anywhere.

ListeningQuietly · 30/12/2020 16:13

My Venn diagram of political parties currently stands :

ruled out because Pro Brexit : Tory, Labour, UKIP
ruled out because anti Women : Libdem, Green, Labour
ruled out because insane : Socialist Worker, BNP, UKIP
ruled out because bastards : Tory
other parties do not stand in this area

At a local level I am not even sure how I'll vote in May
and nationally - I'm glad I have plenty of time to think about it
SadAngrySadSadAngrySadAngrySadAngrySadAngry

DGRossetti · 30/12/2020 16:16

Be curious to know if anyone disagrees with this ?

Westministenders: Festive Edition
Peregrina · 30/12/2020 16:17

I've never once subscribed to the "Can't happen here" school of doing things. Anything can happen anywhere.

Absolutely. Think of the once mighty Empires which have collapsed. British Empire, Spanish Empire, Ottoman Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire, and that's all in the last 150 years or so. Strangely enough, although the Spanish Empire was over by 1898 it wasn't formally dissolved until 1976.

TheElementsOfMedical · 30/12/2020 16:23

@ListeningQuietly

My Venn diagram of political parties currently stands :

ruled out because Pro Brexit : Tory, Labour, UKIP
ruled out because anti Women : Libdem, Green, Labour
ruled out because insane : Socialist Worker, BNP, UKIP
ruled out because bastards : Tory
other parties do not stand in this area

At a local level I am not even sure how I'll vote in May
and nationally - I'm glad I have plenty of time to think about it
SadAngrySadSadAngrySadAngrySadAngrySadAngry

Same here. Hence my plan of an elaborate set of sketches of cocks-n-balls, plus assorted slogans (hey, the BeLeavers ought to approve!) such as "Women don't have penises" and "Tories are bastards" and "Rejoin EU!" Wink
DrBlackbird · 30/12/2020 16:23

Anyone else want to throw up at mention of MPs 'thanking' the teachers for being willing fodder in ensuring a Covid secure teaching environment. 🤢 Apparently this has allowed teaching to take place with few transmission. Funny how that doesn't quite square with our area where there have been 100s and 100's of students catching and transmitting Covid including to vulnerable teaching staff.

BestIsWest · 30/12/2020 16:27

Glad to see my Lab MP abstained, resigning her position to do so. Would like to know how other local MPs voted but unable to find it yet.

OchonAgusOchonO · 30/12/2020 16:27

Does the deal have to win a vote on the house of Lords too or is that it?

DGRossetti · 30/12/2020 16:27

@Peregrina

I've never once subscribed to the "Can't happen here" school of doing things. Anything can happen anywhere.

Absolutely. Think of the once mighty Empires which have collapsed. British Empire, Spanish Empire, Ottoman Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire, and that's all in the last 150 years or so. Strangely enough, although the Spanish Empire was over by 1898 it wasn't formally dissolved until 1976.

My late DMs defence to Britain succumbing to Fascism (when DF told us tales from the dark days of Mussolini) was that it "couldn't happen here, because we're English".

Of course Fascism couldn't happen in Italy, because people were Italian (and remember that carries long associations of Roman, as photo of my DF as a centurion from his towns pageant shows ....).

And the idea that Germans of all people could fall prey to a trickster was - of course - risible.

And I have American friends honest enough to say that 20 years ago, they would have derided the notion of Trump as "sub-B movie".

Why, it's almost like a pattern is emerging.

Fair play to the SNP and chums for spotting it, and trying to tear the perforations in advance of a Tory England cementing over them with an iron fist. Although I'm going to suggest the first victim will be the Welsh language - now no longer needed for EU business. Quite easy to amend budgets to remove provision for bilingual signage.

After all, we've banned Welsh once before, so why not again ?

ListeningQuietly · 30/12/2020 16:29

@BestIsWest

Glad to see my Lab MP abstained, resigning her position to do so. Would like to know how other local MPs voted but unable to find it yet.
Parliament link with voting figures at 15:32
DGRossetti · 30/12/2020 16:29

@BestIsWest

Glad to see my Lab MP abstained, resigning her position to do so. Would like to know how other local MPs voted but unable to find it yet.
Mine voted for it. I've already unsubscribed from their mailing list and told them why.

If I want Tory, I'll vote Tory - why put up with a cheap Labour knock-off ?

BestIsWest · 30/12/2020 16:34

Got it thanks!

52andblue · 30/12/2020 16:39

Trying to make out what The Boy Gav is saying but it's a muddled mess?

Peregrina · 30/12/2020 16:43

^votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/932#noes^

Link again, just in case it was missed the first time.

DGRossetti · 30/12/2020 16:44

www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/29/ryanair-and-wizz-air-to-remove-voting-rights-from-uk-investors

Ryanair and Wizz Air will strip UK investors of their voting rights from 1 January to comply with European Union rules on airline ownership.

Peregrina · 30/12/2020 16:48

And the idea that Germans of all people could fall prey to a trickster was - of course - risible.

Indeed. The Germans were a cultured, educated nation, considered by many to be better educated than the British or French and yet they succumbed. When people say that we need education to overcome fascism, I tell people that it of itself doesn't protect people. I read a disturbing statistic a few weeks back, that of senior Nazi officers, a quarter were not only university educated but had higher degrees.

niynycachu · 30/12/2020 16:50

@DGRossetti this is why I and so many Welsh speakers are in despair at what is happening under our noses. I don't think the monoglot English speakers in Wales are at the point yet of even considering Welsh independence. Indeed, the Abolish the Welsh Assembly party seems to be gaining popularity in my area.

If anyone has an hour to spare this is an incredible interview by Owen Jones with Michael Sheen

We need more non Welsh speaking people to become curious about our history, culture and, dare I say it, oppression by the English elite. Maybe then we stand a chance of not becoming a county of England.

Peregrina · 30/12/2020 16:53

Hence my plan of an elaborate set of sketches of cocks-n-balls, plus assorted slogans (hey, the BeLeavers ought to approve!) such as "Women don't have penises" and "Tories are bastards" and "Rejoin EU!"

Difficult. For local elections, put yourself forward to stand as an Independent. Who knows, you might win.

DGRossetti · 30/12/2020 16:54

@Peregrina

And the idea that Germans of all people could fall prey to a trickster was - of course - risible.

Indeed. The Germans were a cultured, educated nation, considered by many to be better educated than the British or French and yet they succumbed. When people say that we need education to overcome fascism, I tell people that it of itself doesn't protect people. I read a disturbing statistic a few weeks back, that of senior Nazi officers, a quarter were not only university educated but had higher degrees.

Goering had an IQ of 140+

The problem is we have - again (the US never really stopped) drifted into a landscape where it's far easier to say "I'm against " in order to get votes than it is to say "I believe in ". As posters like Louise on here show. They aren't really for anything. They just dislike what they believe Labour are.

For the Nazis, it was "Bolshevism" - the mere mention of which became the magic word to rustle up votes.

It's a good job Spielberg made Schindlers List in the last millennium. It would be impossible to make now. Not just because no one would believe it, but because the idea of Nazis as evil doesn't play anymore.

SwedishEdith · 30/12/2020 16:55

@GhostofFrankGrimes

At least Corbyn voted against the deal. Not really the actions of a supposed Brexiteer....
Sorry, not sure if that's meant to be a joke and I'm just in a bad mood but against is the actions of Brexiteer in this case. Abstain is you want clean hands but against is a positive action for No deal.
BestIsWest · 30/12/2020 16:57

[quote niynycachu]@DGRossetti this is why I and so many Welsh speakers are in despair at what is happening under our noses. I don't think the monoglot English speakers in Wales are at the point yet of even considering Welsh independence. Indeed, the Abolish the Welsh Assembly party seems to be gaining popularity in my area.

If anyone has an hour to spare this is an incredible interview by Owen Jones with Michael Sheen

We need more non Welsh speaking people to become curious about our history, culture and, dare I say it, oppression by the English elite. Maybe then we stand a chance of not becoming a county of England.[/quote]
Neither I nor my DH or DC speak Welsh (I’m learning though) and all of us have voted PC at one time or another. We all support an independent Wales. It’s definitely a growing movement.

TatianaBis · 30/12/2020 16:57

@Peregrina

And the idea that Germans of all people could fall prey to a trickster was - of course - risible.

Indeed. The Germans were a cultured, educated nation, considered by many to be better educated than the British or French and yet they succumbed. When people say that we need education to overcome fascism, I tell people that it of itself doesn't protect people. I read a disturbing statistic a few weeks back, that of senior Nazi officers, a quarter were not only university educated but had higher degrees.

They do have an obedient, rule-following conservatism that neither the anarchic/rebellious French or British do. The 'good Cherman' idea is not something that would take off in either country.

The British have their own conservatisms - they are distinctly anti-socialism, but they are anarchic conservatives. Or conservative anarchists.

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