Can someone explain please

[brawse]

Not sure if this is posted in the right board so if not, I'm happy for it to be moved. This is a genuine question I have, I'm not looking to start a war. I'm European and have lived and worked in the UK for over 20 years, now a British citizen. I've seen a lot of articles/news about trade talks between the UK and Australia/Canada. Said trade could also mean freedom of movement between these countries from what I've read. I was under the impression that the whole point(mainly) of Brexit was to stop immigrants from being able to enter the country so easily. Am I missing something? Surely freedom of movement with another country/countries will mean that the issue will just carry on? Or was the problem actually the fact that it was Europeans coming in but Australians and Canadians are ok? I genuinely can't get my head around it so looking for other people's opinions or facts.

I've not seen anything about full FOM for Australians and Canadians
as they would never allow 60 million Brits to rock up on their shores

FOM between countries of similar standing and desirability works- sorry to say but we never had such a back lash against it until ex communist Eastern European countries joined in their masses (yes not all strictly Eastern Europe but we know which ones I’m referring to). Why? Well because migrant numbers are vastly unbalanced- the French and the British had roughly the same number migrants from each other.
Equally if you opened Australia up I imagine it would be the same

Btw never read anything of such an agreement

Apparently Brexshitters wanted a return to the Commonwealth, so trading between UK and NZ, Australia, Canada, any other majority white countries you can think of. Australia already said no.
Also what ListeningQuietly said.

ReturntoSpamfritters wtf are you on about- most of the common wealth countries are in the Caribbean and Africa. As for Europe I think you will find the majority of people are white!

thelondoneconomic.com/politics/first-blow-for-brexit-britain-as-australia-rejects-trade-deal/07/01/

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/01/17/backwards-march-brexit-canzuk-and-the-legacy-of-empire/

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/09/canzuk-brexiters-imperial-canada-australia-new-zealand-uk-empire

Hi brawse, nice to meet you, sorry about Brexshit. I have no idea why CANZUK may be acceptable to the architects of Brexshit as an alternative to the EU, who knows what goes on in their heads? Maybe UK thinks it can boss Australia, NZ and Canada around? Hang on, does Murdoch own the media in NZ and Canada as well? Maybe that's the link.

The whole point of Brexshit was to separate UK from the EU and in the ensuing chaos, make as much money as possible. That's why they never wanted a deal.
Immigration was just a bone to get people to vote for it.

Thats true. When I heard about canzuk even being a slight possibility I felt a little offended, not going to lie

Well as a Brexiteer I certainly don't want us to attach free trade deals to FOM. I never liked FOM within the EU and I wouldn't want it with any other country either. I feel that FOM with the EU is racist in that it gave white Christians an advantage. I want to see the whole of the world, as far as possible to have equal access to the UK, providing they meet our criteria.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

FOM between countries of similar standing and desirability works- sorry to say but we never had such a back lash against it until ex communist Eastern European countries joined in their masses (yes not all strictly Eastern Europe but we know which ones I’m referring to). Why? Well because migrant numbers are vastly unbalanced- the French and the British had roughly the same number migrants from each other. Equally if you opened Australia up I imagine it would be the same

Britain, for many years, was the EU country that had the largest number of its citizens living abroad.

Oh, but sorry, they are not "immigrants", they are "ex-pats".

The hypocrisy is amazing.

We have much more in common culturally with the rest of Europe than with the US, Commonwealth etc.

Hypocrisy? A lovely example of hypocrisy are countries such as Hungary and Poland’s treatment of migrants.
I don’t think we are that similar to some of the more new additions to the European Union- we are far more diverse for a start!

Right. So you are critical of what you perceive as racism and use it to justify other countries making racist policy? How do you think that will help things exactly?

If you don't understand the hypocrisy in those post then I really don't know what to suggest other than asking Father Christmas to bring you a dictionary.

Right. So you are critical of what you perceive as racism and use it to justify other countries making racist policy? How do you think that will help things exactly? “perceive” as racist, no, it is racist! Some of these countries’ treatment of migrants is beyond deplorable, their refusal to accept refugees (not economic migrants but refugees) has led to sanctions by the EU.

As for hypocrisy on my side, I’m merely explaining the difference in the last two decades around FOM, if you deny these were the triggers for Brexit then fine, though how the UK can be accused of racism towards predominantly white Christian countries is beyond me.

(Thanks for the sarky dictionary comment,
Don’t engage in forums if you get so rude)

Ummmm... because xenophobia and racism come from exactly the same nationalist, "them and us" mentality that shines through so clearly in your post. The hatred of "forriners" isn't just about skin colour, is it? For any Brexiter to have palpitations about how migrants are treated when trying to enter Europe when their entire campaign was nonsense about controlling borders and stopping the non-existent prospect of Turkey joining the EU and apparently their entire population suddenly migrating to the UK is beyond me. And the chumming up with Trump's America while it was keeping Mexican children in cages. Yes, absolute hypocrisy of the highest order. Sorry, but no weasel words will change the facts. We all know.

Nobody ever claimed the EU was perfect. It was a very successful peace project, but still a work in progress. Many flaws but far, far better than the spiteful hatred embraced by Vote Leave, Boris, our Government and all who turn a blind eye to the hatred that they have deliberately stirred up.

So worried about the people fleeing Syria and North Africa that all the Leave campaigners were condemning Angela Merkel for making the welcome and letting them in. The shock, a million of them among us! How could she?? And now you use the issue to argue that it is the EU that is racist. No shame.

We see you. We see straight through the bullshit.

Omg literally I don’t know why you have such a bee in your bonnet with me- calm down!
The EU in itself is not racist but yes some of the more recently joined countries have a greater far right movement in their home governments and policies, ok it’s down to them being less ethnically diverse but doesn’t excuse the behaviour of these countries towards refugees.
I didn’t say it was a main concern or leave voters, I was just pointing out that the idea that the Uk is the most racist and the rest of the EU is warm and welcoming is not true.

Well as a Brexiteer I certainly don't

get a say in anything that happens under the banner of "Brexit".

Just to be clear.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

Omg literally I don’t know why you have such a bee in your bonnet with me- calm down! The EU in itself is not racist but yes some of the more recently joined countries have a greater far right movement in their home governments and policies, ok it’s down to them being less ethnically diverse but doesn’t excuse the behaviour of these countries towards refugees. I didn’t say it was a main concern or leave voters, I was just pointing out that the idea that the Uk is the most racist and the rest of the EU is warm and welcoming is not true.

I'm not sure I saw anybody claim that was the case? You seem to be making up an argument to fight against rather than dealing with the actual issue, which is that there is zero upside to Brexit, and are a huge number of downsides.

@DGRossetti

Well as a Brexiteer I certainly don't

get a say in anything that happens under the banner of "Brexit".

Just to be clear.

So true.

@DGRossetti

Well as a Brexiteer I certainly don't

get a say in anything that happens under the banner of "Brexit".

Just to be clear.

This.

PolkadotGiraffe I wasn’t arguing there was a positive side I was answering the ops question about FOM being accepted by many when it’s certain countries and not when it’s others.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

PolkadotGiraffe I wasn’t arguing there was a positive side I was answering the ops question about FOM being accepted by many when it’s certain countries and not when it’s others.

Let's see how the racists who are so keen on re-establishing relationships in the Commonwealth react when they realise that India has stipulated that far greater FOM will be a precondition of a trade deal with them. The horror, a billion "forriners" who might move here! 🤣

Fundamentally this seems to be an issue of a scarily large proportion of people having zero knowledge of economics, trade, policitics, UK law, international law etc, yet feeling totally certain about their views on such issues. I often wonder if they would insist they were the expert and dismiss their oncologist if they had cancer, in the same way that they do to economists, lawyers, accountants etc who try to provide them with facts on their areas of expertise. Foolhardy at best, at worst.... well it's not hard to see why many people call them stupid.