Westminstenders: Going, going, cummings

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As expected he's fucking off and leaving everyone else to pick up the pieces in January. But it does look like he was eventually shown the door and left with a cardboard box. As he should have been months ago.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Johnson needing an image change, like the shape shifting creep he is, to one that fits more with the incoming Biden Administration. In other words hes got some serious sucking up to do...

... Meanwhile in Brexit land we are going into yet another final week of talks.

Many expect Cummings departure to signal 'the cave in'. The Eu say we havent moved enough and the uk say the EU wants us to do all the moving... Except the EU have done lots of moving. Barnier is still looking for a groundsman to level his field to play. We have yet to work out we aren't Canada and distance is important to trade.

Of course if we don't get a deal, that Pfizer vaccine in Germany that we want, might be hit with delays and extra costs we just can't afford.

It's not a downside of Freedom of Movement - it's a reflection of shitty housing policies. That a still wealthy country chooses not to house people properly.

@Clavinova

And usuallydormant explained better than your cut n'paste as to why it will affect British people more.

Yes, she did - but I don't see why something along the lines of the working holiday visas offered to young people from Australia and New Zealand (aged 18-30?) cannot be offered to young British workers - unless EU countries want to be unreasonable.

Cake an eat it?

We voted to leave all that behind!

Arrangements such as you suggest, might be made but they'd need to reciprocal and i really cannot see the UK Govt agreeing to a 12 month work visa, extendable to 24 months, for EU workers.

Over 30% of the homeless people on the streets of London - who came here looking for work - were EU citizens - that's one of the downsides of freedom of movement.
No,
its a sign of UK incompetence in knowing who is here and where they are living.
Other EU countries have proper, Schengen compliant, methods to ensure that FOM people are self supporting
but the UK bollocksed it up
all on their very own

usuallydormant

"Recent changes to EU rules on secondment meant it was no longer possible to hire chalet staff on a UK contract and companies were going to have to adhere to French employment law and pay French social charges (which are a hell of a lot more onerous for employers than in the UK). So that cheap labour pool was already on its way out."

So, France was able to introduce better employment conditions, while remaining in the EU. Some would have us believe the UK had to leave the EU to do the same. Economical with the truth does not begin to cover it.

I thought fishing was just a boat and some nets.

So, France was able to introduce better employment conditions,

And that tells you why our Government is desperate to have No Deal - so that they can have a race to the bottom on employment conditions.

@Clavinova

And usuallydormant explained better than your cut n'paste as to why it will affect British people more.

Yes, she did - but I don't see why something along the lines of the working holiday visas offered to young people from Australia and New Zealand (aged 18-30?) cannot be offered to young British workers - unless EU countries want to be unreasonable.

Unless EU countries want to be unreasonable?

Have the UK gov been looking out for its' younger citizens and suggested a UK EU working holiday visa scheme that the EU has refused to discuss? Is it part of the oven ready deal?

Not sure you can pin the lack of a visa scheme to allow UK youth to work overseas in the Eu. The UK gov can't even decide if it wants to continue in Erasmus which in 2017 allowed 16.5k students to study abroad.

The youth aren't usually courted to be Tory voters but their parents might be chattering to each other about how their kids' opportunities are being removed.

@Jason118

I thought fishing was just a boat and some nets.

So much for fresh fish and shell fish

Absolutely, Peregrina.

Jason118 that looks like a lot of work. Can anyone tell us how much of it is completely new?

its a sign of UK incompetence in knowing who is here and where they are living. Other EU countries have proper, Schengen compliant, methods to ensure that FOM people are self supporting but the UK bollocksed it up all on their very own.

Clearly not all on their own;

"2013 - the question FEANTSA ['the European Federation of National Organisations working with the Homeless, the only major European network that focuses exclusively on homelessness at European level and receives financial support from the European Commission for the implementation of its activities'] has been putting to European and national institutions is what rights EU citizens have when they become destitute and homeless whilst exercising their right to free movement."

"Particularly in big cities of countries like the UK, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, Ireland and France, a significant part of homeless service users and of rough-sleepers are citizens of other EU countries."

"The UK Department of Communities and Local Government’s latest rough sleeping figures reveal that 28% of people sleeping on the streets of London are from Central and Eastern European countries and 11% from other EU Member States. According to the Italian Census on Homelessness, published in 2012, 11.5% of people in homeless shelters in Italy are Romanians. In France, outreach organisations working in Paris indicate that 40% of their clients (mainly rough sleepers) are young people from Eastern Europe and recent data confirm that this trend would not only concern people coming from Central and Eastern European countries but also Spanish, Portuguese, Greek and Italian young people who are trying to escape the economic crisis."

The UK gov can't even decide if it wants to continue in Erasmus which in 2017 allowed 16.5k students to study abroad.

Those figures include quite a few thousand EU students studying in the UK, who then spend some time in their own country, or another EU country - quite misleading to claim they are all British students studying abroad.

So what have the other countries done about it since 2013?
And what has the UK achieved in the same time ?

The UK Government is failing at looking after its people.

Jason when you look at where the fish in the supermarket comes from (Vietnam?) you do wonder how long the "fresh" fish actually stays fresh for.

So, France was able to introduce better employment conditions

Including the 35 hour week etc. I don't envy France all their union strikes/Yellow-vest protests.

BoJo the 🤡 reading "his" statement now.

@Peregrina

So, France was able to introduce better employment conditions,

And that tells you why our Government is desperate to have No Deal - so that they can have a race to the bottom on employment conditions.

Ain’t that the case, major part of what has been driving this I would imagine.

Clav my comment about better employment conditions related specifically to ski industry staff. I don't think the gilets jaunes were protesting about those. Unless you know better?

The UK Government is failing at looking after its people.

I think you will find that isn't it's job. Much like securing food supplies.

It seems that in the new millennium, the UK government is paradoxically only defined by what it doesn't do and isn't responsible for. So finding out what it does do and is responsible for is a bit of a dark art. You basically need to exhaust all the nouns you can, but are only allowed 3 a day. Which is hard since there are 4 new ones added to English ever day - and twice when Trump tweets.

So what have the other countries done about it since 2013?

Doesn't sound hopeful in France -
"BBC 2018 An estimated 29,000 people are homeless in and around Paris - up to 8,000 are thought to sleep rough on the French capital's streets."

Clav my comment about better employment conditions related specifically to ski industry staff.

Certainly the 35 hour week is a problem for British Ski Operators.

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news.yahoo.com/british-firms-could-face-16-bn-hit-if-nodeal-brexit-limits-ukeu-data-flows-000130022.html

UK companies could face a £1.6bn ($2.1bn) hit if the EU doesn’t deem the UK’s post-Brexit data protection standards adequate, according to new research.

If the UK fails to obtain an “adequacy decision” from the EU after Brexit data flows between the UK and the EU could be disrupted — costing UK companies between £1bn and £1.6bn, the research from the New Economics Foundation and the UCL European Institute found.

Data adequacy is where the European Commission certifies that countries outside the European Economic Area (EEA) provide a level of personal data protection comparable to that provided in European law. When a country has been awarded the status, information can pass freely between it and the EEA without further safeguards being required.

If the UK does not secure an adequacy agreement, micro, small and medium-sized businesses will be the most affected by costs, according to the report. The average compliance cost is estimated at £3,000 for micro, £10,000 for small, almost £20,000 for medium, and £163,000 for large businesses.

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@Clavinova

The UK gov can't even decide if it wants to continue in Erasmus which in 2017 allowed 16.5k students to study abroad.

Those figures include quite a few thousand EU students studying in the UK, who then spend some time in their own country, or another EU country - quite misleading to claim they are all British students studying abroad.

Actually that is the number of UK students who participated in Erasmus:

n 20177* , 16,561 UK students participated in Erasmus, while 31,727 EU nationals came to the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-47293927

No participation for just 5 years would be 80k students denied an opportunity to live abroad and perfect their languages.

Actually that is the number of UK students who participated in Erasmus

It's not - EU students studying at UK universities are counted as UK students.

Haven't got time to look this up again now - need to pick up ds2.