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Westminstenders: Going, going, cummings

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RedToothBrush · 13/11/2020 18:36

As expected he's fucking off and leaving everyone else to pick up the pieces in January. But it does look like he was eventually shown the door and left with a cardboard box. As he should have been months ago.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Johnson needing an image change, like the shape shifting creep he is, to one that fits more with the incoming Biden Administration. In other words hes got some serious sucking up to do...

... Meanwhile in Brexit land we are going into yet another final week of talks.

Many expect Cummings departure to signal 'the cave in'. The Eu say we havent moved enough and the uk say the EU wants us to do all the moving... Except the EU have done lots of moving. Barnier is still looking for a groundsman to level his field to play. We have yet to work out we aren't Canada and distance is important to trade.

Of course if we don't get a deal, that Pfizer vaccine in Germany that we want, might be hit with delays and extra costs we just can't afford.

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TheElementsOfMedical · 19/11/2020 16:05

Well, I guess in January we're all going to find out just how rich, plentiful and tasty the Milk and Honey of the Sunlit Uplands are.

prettybird · 19/11/2020 16:08

I'll be ok - I've got my Brexit stockpile of loo roll and bread flour Grin

TartrazineCustard · 19/11/2020 16:22

I am wondering how long into January I'll be able to prevent myself charging onto social media shouting I TOLD YOU SO. Honestly, I've felt like bloody Cassandra over the past 4 years.

Here we are! No Deal. They promised it was Project Fear to think we'd end up here, but here we are just as we "fear-mongers" worried we would be.

How's this going to be rewritten, I wonder? "Project Fear referred to a group people who thought the UK wouldn't be able to leave. It was proven wrong, because the UK did." Ends.

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 16:49

Just seen a snippy comment that at least Brexit has ensured the UK is the worlds leading exporter of jobs.

Shrillharridan · 19/11/2020 16:53

Well.
You can be sure whatever happens that leavers will blame EVERY OTHER FUCKER EVER before they look at their own behaviour/voting/othering.
Project fear innit?
Like DGR I didn't forsee the EU just sighing and walking away but who can blame them?
Being the adult in the room for the past 4 years has probably given them all a sort of PTSD.
I've done all I can to negate the worst effects of a no deal on me and mine.
Just need to decide whether to put my savings into euros before the tories short the pound.
Motherfuckers.
I wish I was shocked that people on the other thread admitted to voting leave as a great wheeze...despite leavers assuring us that EVERY leave voter knew EXACTLY what they were voting for.
I have no goodwill towards these bottom feeders left.
I'm done.

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 17:06

Like DGR I didn't forsee the EU just sighing and walking away but who can blame them?

But they're not, are they ? It's just a sensible precaution - same as Boris Johnson self isolating ....

If the media want to make a thing of it, then there are questions about how come the UK was so contingent on an 11th hour deal anyway. Especially when ...

Westminstenders: Going, going, cummings
Peregrina · 19/11/2020 17:12

Is it definite that they have walked away? Or is there still time after the Covid pause to ratify some sort of deal?
Do we assume that this bout of Covid is as genuine as Dominic Cummings bout of Covid was?

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 17:18

@Peregrina

Is it definite that they have walked away? Or is there still time after the Covid pause to ratify some sort of deal? Do we assume that this bout of Covid is as genuine as Dominic Cummings bout of Covid was?
As I understand it there's no time to ratify any deal And that's before you consider the IMB and whether the Commission or indeed any individual EU state (e.g. RoI) would ratify anything with it in play.

There's space for a weasel "understanding" in advance of a deal in January. But I refer you to my previous paragraph. Unlikely if the IMB remains in play.

And it's entirely possible that the EU might want to wait until January 21st before carrying on (for some reason). After all, the UK has been quite content to wait 4 years. What difference is a few more weeks ? Especially if Brexiteers are right, and it's worth it.

Peregrina · 19/11/2020 17:21

What is the significance of the 21st January?

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 17:21

Do we assume that this bout of Covid is as genuine as Dominic Cummings bout of Covid was?

Well if it isn't, whatcha gonna do ?

Personally, if I were Team EU, I'd apologise profusely with some very snarky undertones about how the EUs handling of Covid - being nowhere as good as the UKs - meant this was always a danger in the negotiations. Although I'd probably do it in French, where the humour can be completely hidden from the Anglophone UK press. Just a little Easter Egg for us EUphiles.

We live in hope.

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 17:22

@Peregrina

What is the significance of the 21st January?
When the new US administration is in play.
Peregrina · 19/11/2020 17:26

Doh! Realised that as soon as I posted.

I must admit I am enjoying the spin that some prolific posters are trying to put on the way that the Government is trying to rewrite its history with the US, to sort of pretend that it wasn't up Trump's arse.

Much like the British fascists busily rewrote their personal histories after the war. The trouble now is that there is 'tinternet and social media and it's not as easy.

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 17:30

I must admit I am enjoying the spin that some prolific posters are trying to put on the way that the Government is trying to rewrite its history with the US, to sort of pretend that it wasn't up Trump's arse.

There's a bitter-sweet taste seeing the sudden shift in dynamics. Previously the UK felt it could take it's own sweet time in the knowledge that a second term Trump would be their saviour (admitted based of the square root of fuck all evidence, but that appears to be an emerging theme).

Now it feels the UKs much more desperate (I read of supermarkets trying to find ways to evade customs checks ...) and it's the EU that can be ... dare I say more laissez-faire ?

ListeningQuietly · 19/11/2020 17:33

As I said to Clav on the food thread
here is where the UK will stand in the world after the inauguration
twitter.com/The_ChrisShaw/status/1325146317287526400
Sad

OchonAgusOchonO · 19/11/2020 17:34

As I understand it there's no time to ratify any deal And that's before you consider the IMB and whether the Commission or indeed any individual EU state (e.g. RoI) would ratify anything with it in play.

Simon Coveney has straight up said no deal would be ratified if the IMB is still in play www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-eu-will-not-ratify-deal-if-uk-tries-to-break-international-law-says-coveney-1.4409762

The EU need approximately 6 weeks to translate, consult and ratify. We're already past that deadline. Anything that will be agreed at this stage will be a limited agreement, I expect.

ListeningQuietly · 19/11/2020 17:35

I just went to Sainsburys to get some essentials and a couple of quiet stockpile items
The closed cafe has been repurposed as a warehouse - it is piled floor to ceiling with loo roll, sweet and pasta.
no booze because ram raiding is a problem here

TonMoulin · 19/11/2020 17:47

I have been quietly adding stuff to my pile.
I think I need to add more, much more....

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 17:47

@OchonAgusOchonO

As I understand it there's no time to ratify any deal And that's before you consider the IMB and whether the Commission or indeed any individual EU state (e.g. RoI) would ratify anything with it in play.

Simon Coveney has straight up said no deal would be ratified if the IMB is still in play www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-eu-will-not-ratify-deal-if-uk-tries-to-break-international-law-says-coveney-1.4409762

The EU need approximately 6 weeks to translate, consult and ratify. We're already past that deadline. Anything that will be agreed at this stage will be a limited agreement, I expect.

As I understand it, the IMB currently isn't in play - it's not yet a working bill.

Whether that is because of the "In The Loop" style reverse ferreting needed in parliament after the WA was passed or not is unclear.

As a simple peasant, a bill that explicitly reverses a bill that was part of a manifesto pledge can only be considered an anti-manifesto bill and therefore not the same as a manifesto bill (like the Fox Hunting one in 2004). Is this a decision for the speaker ?

Of course, parliament could be prorogued and a new session started (which would mean the Parliament Act isn't needed ?).

OchonAgusOchonO · 19/11/2020 17:51

As I understand it, the IMB currently isn't in play - it's not yet a working bill.

Yes, that's my understanding too. But Coveney is being very clear that any shitehawking on the part of the UK wrt the NI protocol will not be tolerated.

Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney has warned that the EU will not ratify a trade deal with the UK if it tries to reintroduce parts of controversial legislation aimed at overriding international law.

prettybird · 19/11/2020 17:52

I also have lots of coffee beans, loose Darjeeling tea, loose Twinings Earl Grey tea, condensed milk & sugar (to make tablet) and cat food.

Priorities Grin

DGRossetti · 19/11/2020 17:58

@OchonAgusOchonO

As I understand it, the IMB currently isn't in play - it's not yet a working bill.

Yes, that's my understanding too. But Coveney is being very clear that any shitehawking on the part of the UK wrt the NI protocol will not be tolerated.

Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney has warned that the EU will not ratify a trade deal with the UK if it tries to reintroduce parts of controversial legislation aimed at overriding international law.

Which of course The Boris is pledged to do.

I guess we can all learn to speak a bit of Russian, and join them outside the G7 ?

FatCatThinCat · 19/11/2020 18:05

It's not just Coveney, the EU parliament took a vote on it and will not ratify any deal until the IMB is withdraw

mrslaughan · 19/11/2020 18:08

Oh pretty - can you share your recipe for tablet? I'd like to try making it (and have loads of condensed milk)

52andblue · 19/11/2020 18:10

I've not kept up so need to read back on latest developments.
AND I know I only ever post bits of (possibly irrelevant, except for origins of 'North (h) Umber Land' :) anecdata sorry.

but I was just looking at the PHE data showing transmission common location percentages:
Supermarket: 18.3%, High School:12.7%, Primary: 10.1%, Pub: 1.6%
if this is accurate, you can see why those in hospitality are upset about restrictions and those working in schools are worried.

Mind - ds (16) came home and told me that the dinner ladies asked him 'what he thought of brexit, are you are Remainer?' (he was last in the queue and they were blethering and included him in their blether as he was lurking there) he said he thought UK should stay in the EU and they asked why and he said import laws will be a pain as we will have to look through all the trucks in the UK and it will slow down food imports, which might affect their work and his dinners (good lad!) and they said: 'yes, but it will keep the immigrants out though' and handed him 'an extra large bit of chocolate cake' as 'they like him, he speaks so nicely' (he is one of the few polite kids in a very rough academy). He said: 'they are really nice, and really wrong too'.

OchonAgusOchonO · 19/11/2020 18:16

@FatCatThinCat

It's not just Coveney, the EU parliament took a vote on it and will not ratify any deal until the IMB is withdraw
Yes, I know. Coveney was simply reiterating (again) for the benefit of the UK. The interview was on Sky news.