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Westminstenders: Prepare for what we said would never happen

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RedToothBrush · 16/10/2020 12:52

I think that there may be a run on tinned tomatoes and pasta coming. Pizza will no longer have mozzarella in 2021.

On the plus side turnips are in season.

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Mistigri · 21/10/2020 19:58

Which one is lying?

Jenrick has form, and very recent form at that.

mrslaughan · 21/10/2020 20:08

I wouldn't give it a second thought - of course it's Jenrick that's lying...

Peregrina · 21/10/2020 20:13

NEW: If you had asked me, before it happened, whether a Global pandemic would bring the UK together, or divide us, I would have said "unite us". But that isn't what happened.

Initially it did - but then we had the Cummings nonsense which destroyed the consensus there had been, plus the track and trace fiasco and the contracts put out to cronies who never had a hope of delivering.

jasjas1973 · 21/10/2020 20:15

@LouiseCollins28 Good article, would have missed that one, thanks.

When Jenrick's lips move, you know he is lying, from breaking lockdown to helping his property developer mate, he has form.

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2020 21:20

I think this story has the potential to sum up 2020 in one big mess if this plays out!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54636563
Shortage of poultry workers could hit Christmas dinner

Christmas dinner could be ruined this year as supplies of traditional turkeys could run out, an industry body says.

The problem is a shortage of skilled workers to process the meat, according to the British Poultry Council (BPC).

It said 1,000 EU workers were needed to stop Christmas supply from collapsing, and urged the government to exempt them from quarantine rules.

"The great British Christmas cannot survive without access to non-UK labour," said boss Richard Griffiths.

"Turkey producers are heavily reliant on licensed and trained EU workers with specific farming, processing, and butchery skills.

"These skills cannot be replaced without a lengthy training and recruitment period."

But workers won't come to Britain if they are forced to quarantine for 14 days before starting work, it said.

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"It will be unfeasible to train and up-skill UK workers within the short window available," Mr Griffiths said.

The poultry industry estimates it takes someone at least 12 weeks to attain basic slaughter and knife skills.

9 weeks til Christmas folks.

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borntobequiet · 21/10/2020 21:29

Comfort and joy to all

HoneysuckIejasmine · 21/10/2020 21:41

Think I might give Christmas dinner a miss this year. As it will only be the four of us and my kids are picky eaters. DH is American so isn't do heavily invested in all the side dishes that I feel are essential. Do I do the full works just for me? Confused I mean, DH will eat it and the kids will pick but it's a lot of effort.

Might start my freezer store of Christmas sides, at least most of it can be pre cooked and frozen. 🤔

Jenrick is a lying liar as a general rule.

ListeningQuietly · 21/10/2020 21:42

Thank goodness my family have a ballotine made by our butcher for Christmas day
and Beef wellington for New Years
they are expensive but a choice we make

everything I know and hear tells me that its the little things that will bite us in the bum the most

RedToothBrush · 21/10/2020 21:53

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/two-weeks-unmuted-greater-manchester-19144543
Two weeks that unmuted Greater Manchester
For better or worse, leaders here turned up the volume says Jen Williams.

Possibly one of the most symbolic moments of the past fortnight took place not under the glare of the TV cameras, but on the private screens of a Microsoft Teams call.

When council leaders here sat down to a crunch meeting with communities secretary Robert Jenrick on Monday, they found they literally couldn’t be heard.

“We got on the call and basically nobody could unmute themselves,” says one senior local figure.

“It was ‘the government will let you speak’.”

When ministers later moved to end the call abruptly, Stockport and Salford’s council chiefs had not actually been given the chance or ability to say anything.

Andy Burnham had to type in the chat at the side and point that out. Councillor Elise Wilson and Mayor Paul Dennett were briefly unmuted - and then the call ended.

It’s not a subtle metaphor. But it does point to something about the mood here, as the latest chapter in an unprecedented public health and political crisis draws to a close.

Bit of a theme developing here isn't there?...

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It may not be quickly forgotten. Rarely - if ever - do you see a political story cutting through to the extent that pubs put out A-boards offering the mayor a free pint. Or advertising a burger dreamt up in his honour.

Or, in modern times, gathering spontaneously in the street to hear local politicians speak - a feature not once but twice in the last week. Or groups of men sitting outside the pub loudly and drunkenly debating the mayor’s status as the ‘king of the north’, as was the case in Manchester city centre last night. We didn’t even have a mayor four years ago. Only Boris Johnson himself, as London mayor, could rival that kind of modern civic prominence.

So it is likely ministers underestimated the mood in a region that has already been under constantly changing restrictions since the start of August. Or, equally, that they just didn’t consider it. Certainly they appear to have done little, until the weekend, to manage their own MPs here.

...for the record on Manchester and T3 Bolton's Tory Council leader is reportedly taking the deal, meanwhile Chris Green and William Wragg voted with Labour in the Commons today on the subject against the government whilst Brady didn't vote.

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Sostenueto · 21/10/2020 21:56

Never eat turkey on Xmas day anyway. We eat different sorts of stuff we would not usually eat. We've had swordfish, venison, duck, goose, evenfrogs legs one year lol! beef Wellington stuff like that. So no sorrow for me!

Jason118 · 21/10/2020 22:41

So a great victory is in sight for Mr Johnson. It will be paraded in front of J Public like the second coming and everyone will clap and cheer. How the final deal is better than what we had will be lost in the noise. Winners write the history after all.

news.sky.com/story/brexit-trade-talks-with-eu-to-resume-later-this-week-downing-street-says-12110389

LouiseCollins28 · 21/10/2020 22:56

Lets see how this plays out. My starting point is, as it always has been, that having a deal is better than not. I've never advocated for no deal Brexit on here but we'll see whether this is just warm words or concrete action on the part of the UK govt and our EU friends and partners.

Darker · 21/10/2020 23:10

So what happens to the turkeys? Do they get slaughtered when the staff can be found and made into cat food for a fraction of what they should be worth?

Sostenueto · 22/10/2020 00:30

If u see the state of the turkeys ( or chickens) u would never eat either again. And if u saw the way they are slaughtered you definately would never eat them again. Although we have high humane slaughtering standards seeing these birds hung upside down alive then electrocuted in water then necks cut then into plucker machines and onto EV where most of innards pulled out manually ( sometimes with hearts still beating) and off they go again to finish processing....3 legged 2 heads yes I've seen it all working in various factories. Of course it may be different now ( 30 years ago) but I can't even bear to touch chicken or turkey now let alone eat it.

Zeebeezee · 22/10/2020 00:48

As I said earlier in the thread, there will be a deal. There are signs tonight. From what I am reading on various platforms.

allowing the UK to sell a humiliating defeat as a victory is the goal here. EU don't care about him anyway. He is expendible.

Playing along that they have won, that Boris's amazing negotiating skills have defeated the EU - while getting what the EU needs in the end is the aim.

Watch this space.

Just my view of course and I could have a lot of egg on my face soon enough though.

RedToothBrush · 22/10/2020 01:00

@Zeebeezee

As I said earlier in the thread, there will be a deal. There are signs tonight. From what I am reading on various platforms.

allowing the UK to sell a humiliating defeat as a victory is the goal here. EU don't care about him anyway. He is expendible.

Playing along that they have won, that Boris's amazing negotiating skills have defeated the EU - while getting what the EU needs in the end is the aim.

Watch this space.

Just my view of course and I could have a lot of egg on my face soon enough though.

I personally would love Johnson to snatch his pr friendly victory in the clusterfuck of backdown and for you to be right.

Unfortunately i do think hes capable of doing the unthinkable and dragging everyone down with him because disaster capitalism is useful to him.

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Fantail · 22/10/2020 05:16

@TheABC

That's interesting *@Peregrina* about New Zealand. If they can do it there, they can do it here...

Admittedly, I think we will have to go through a lot more pain before the main parties will consider it.

The referenda (we had 2) in NZ to change the electoral system happened during a National (Tory) government.
mathanxiety · 22/10/2020 06:45

Certainly by the time of Henry VIII, there was a definite English ness which meant while there were internal struggles in France and Spain, England could concentrate on colonies.

DGR
Don't forget the brutality inflicted on the North of England by the Tudors. Elizabeth made a horrific example of the Yorkshire dales after the suppression of the Rising of the North.

The rule of the Tudors was a reign of terror. At least 22 rebellions were put down.

mrslaughan · 22/10/2020 07:48

@Fantail
But you have to admit that comparing National to the Tories is fraught. There are some similarities but also substantial differences....... there are a lot of things that have happened under National in MZ that the Tories would not even countenance

borntobequiet · 22/10/2020 08:10

My recollection is that when I was a child "English" and "British" were generally used interchangeably. I think it started changing in the 1970s.

Meuniere · 22/10/2020 08:29

@Zeebeezee, I am very strongly hoping for that too.
And for BJ to do a remake of last December when he got am amazing WA that was basically what the EU wanted (and TM worked hard to avoid - see the border within the country).

My word of caution here is that yes we want and need an agreement. But if I was at the EU place, I would be careful not to pull the blanket to far on my side. Sore losers (even when they realise they have been played later on) can create mayhem too

prettybird · 22/10/2020 08:39

Because neither the EU nor Barnier is about ego unlike BJ , they can lay the groundwork for looking like they are compromising and letting BJ take the credit for saying that they "blinked" - without actually giving ground on their key principles.

They're not going to compromise on the basic premise of the Single Market and let the UK have cake Wink

pointythings · 22/10/2020 08:39

We have given up eating turkey at Christmas - we used to do it when my husband was still around, then he utterly ruined Christmas with his drunken behaviour so turkey is part of the bad memories. We'll be having something else.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 22/10/2020 08:40

borntobequiet those terms were not used interchangeably when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s. I was in Scotland however; I assume you weren't.

prettybird · 22/10/2020 08:47

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst - ditto Wink And it irritated us back then too, even if, in itself, it wasn't enough to want independence Grin