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Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge

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RedToothBrush · 06/10/2020 15:18

Apparently negotiations are in the black hole of the EU tunnel or should that be on the back of the fantasy of the Boris Bridge?

Another week closer to complete meltdown.

I'm guessing that our world beating customs solution will be based on blackboard and chalk.

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HoneysuckIejasmine · 14/10/2020 23:49

I didn't get a bursary as I did a GTP which is like an apprenticeship. A friend did her PGCE at same time. She spent less time in the classroom and more time writing essays for her uni. The bursary at the time for my (science) subject was £5k, but that wasn't enough to persuade me to do the PGCE route. I got paid £15k as an unqualified teacher and no tuition fees. Perfect.

BigChocFrenzy · 15/10/2020 00:33

(FT paywall) Internal market bill fuels anger within UK legal profession

https://www.ft.com/content/37c8d9ab-e0de-49ad-b3e8-4edf343adfb3

The bill, and the stance on it taken by Mr Buckland and Suella Braverman, the attorney-general, are fuelling growing anger within the legal profession. 

Many lawyers see the legislation as a direct challenge to the rule of law and a threat to Britain’s reputation,
and are horrified that the senior government legal figures are supporting it.

Two former presidents of the Supreme Court have taken the unusual step of voicing their concerns
as part of what has become a very vociferous campaign by the legal profession,
which sees itself as under attack from a government that has accused judges and lawyers of becoming too activist.

David Neuberger, now a crossbench peer, called the legislation “quite extraordinary and very worrying”,
and said a number of its clauses “need to be defeated”, preferably in parliament.

Speaking at a webinar hosted by the International Bar Association,
Lord Neuberger suggested that part of the bill would introduce regulations that it would appear the courts would not be entitled to review.

He said that once the right to challenge the government in court was removed:
“you are in a dictatorship” and “it is the beginning, it can be feared, of going down a very slippery slope”.

Brenda Hale, meanwhile, said at a webinar hosted by Prospect magazine:
“Obviously, there is a potential for reputational damage if the UK could conclude a treaty in one year and then the next year give itself power unilaterally to break that treaty.”

As the bill is soon to be debated in the House of Lords, many lawyers believe the government ‘s comments about breaking international law may have backfired badly

  • even if they were meant as political threats over Brexit aimed at EU negotiators.

Lawyers are worried about the message the bill sends out to the international legal community

  • given that for the past 350 years Britain has been seen as a staunch upholder of the rule of law.

Indeed, London’s High Court is a centre for resolving international business disputes because of its reputation for fairness.

“The government has diminished the United Kingdom’s reputation as a champion of the rule of law,”
said Philippe Sands QC, a leading human rights lawyer and law professor at University College London.

Dominic Grieve QC, a former attorney-general, added:
“We have always been seen as a country in which our word is our bond . . .
but after the events of the last month we have taken a real nosedive in reputation.”

Mr Sands said the new Brexit legislation would make it more difficult for the UK to criticise other countries for human rights abuses,
adding that it could erode the trust needed to negotiate global trade treaties and, more broadly, “damages the reputation of the British legal community”.
....
Ministers’ remarks about being prepared to break the law come as they impose unprecedented restrictions on people’s freedom due to Covid-19

  • an irony not lost on many lawyers.

“What moral authority does the government have in expecting people to obey these laws if it itself is announcing that it intends to break its obligations under international law ,”
Lord Neuberger told the webinar last week.

borntobequiet · 15/10/2020 05:19

Its worrying to me that someone who's expecting to train as an English teacher next year appears not to understand who she is/was going to be employed by.
Teaching is generally seen as a public sector job so a bit mean spirited to criticise for this minor misspeak. How would this affect her ability to teach English?

borntobequiet · 15/10/2020 05:26

The bursary situation a disappointment to me because DD had finally come round to the idea of teaching, having resisted it for years - she saw at first hand how draining and exhausting it was for me at times. A decent bursary would have really swung the decision for her. As it is, £7000 is better than nothing and there are routes other than a PGCE, but the PGCE would be best for her. She really would be a very good teacher, so a shame if she decides against it now.

AuldAlliance · 15/10/2020 06:17

Its worrying to me that someone who's expecting to train as an English teacher next year appears not to understand who she is/was going to be employed by.

Maybe she knows that governments have limited mandates and she thinks there is a glimmer of hope that this one might be voted out and replaced by a gvmt with more respect for arts/humanities? Optimistic, maybe, but not stupid, as this comment appear to be insinuating.

LQ I wouldn't want to overstate how much leeway mayors in France have: the curfew is being imposed in several big towns whether they agree or not, but Macron did suggest that in general there would be a less centralised approach this time round. There has been repeated mention by him, the PM, etc. of how determined they are to avoid another national lockdown.

I live in a little rural town that is part of the Métropole d'Aix-Marseille and therefore theoretically covered by the same restrictions as those two, but the restaurant/bar closures don't apply here because cases are low. For now. Waiting to see whether curfew does.

Sostenueto · 15/10/2020 07:32

Yet, Boris Johnson moved the goalpost himself on Wednesday evening.

In a call with the European Commission president and the European Council president he said he would wait for EU leaders to finish their summit discussions on Friday before deciding the UK's next steps.

Haha! Thought he would die in a ditch first!

notimagain · 15/10/2020 08:09

@HannibalHayes

Hmm, I seem to remember when this was "Project Fear" - Grant Shapps admits UK-EU flights could be grounded in the event of no deal.
No surprise to many of those working in the industry but what did we know?

I know there are thoughts stopping flights might provide a "Covid benefit" but given the amount of PPE and other medically related freight still being moved around by air, even between the EU26 and the UK, I'm not so sure...

Still at least if air freight gets clobbered time critical medical supplies could quickly be transported into the UK by ferry/train.....

Ah hang on...

Greektome · 15/10/2020 08:31

I have a DC hoping to become a teacher too, and this reduction is very very off-putting. Young people are expected to accept such massive debts.

pointythings · 15/10/2020 09:10

I've strongly advised my DDs against becoming teachers. This government will never learn - slash nurse bursaries - cue shortages - reinstate bursaries. Now this.

But hey, teachers are all just useless lefties so why should we value them?

HesterThrale · 15/10/2020 09:39

Louise Its worrying to me that someone who's expecting to train as an English teacher next year appears not to understand who she is/was going to be employed by.

I’m not quite sure I understand this.

The vast majority of teachers work in the state sector, and are bound to the national curriculum; state exam and testing systems; national league tables; centrally-set targets; the Ofsted national inspection system; special needs laws; child protection guidelines; national funding formulas; state rules made in times of crisis like COVID/lockdown and many various initiatives and directives which frequently arrive in heads’ inboxes from the DfE.

Ok, you may have an employment contract with your school or LA, but the way you work is set and overseen by government.

bellinisurge · 15/10/2020 09:46

There were plenty of cheerleaders for this shitfest on here. It has gone oh so quiet.
Maybe we'll see them in 50 years time when everything is brilliant......

RedToothBrush · 15/10/2020 09:56

Tier 2 for London from tomorrow night (from midnight tomorrow apparently) source skynews

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ListeningQuietly · 15/10/2020 09:59

A Secondary Science PGCE of my acquaintance never went into schools because there was more social work and paperwork than actual teaching

and its a lot worse now

LouiseCollins28 · 15/10/2020 10:11

Sadiq on Sky News now looking a bit "Darth Vader" like hee hee Grin

ListeningQuietly · 15/10/2020 10:18

Why is Mayor Khan having to clampdown on the civil liberties of 8 million people funny Louise ?

DGRossetti · 15/10/2020 10:21

@ListeningQuietly

Why is Mayor Khan having to clampdown on the civil liberties of 8 million people funny Louise ?
Tories gonna Tory ?
Mistigri · 15/10/2020 10:23

Ok, you may have an employment contract with your school or LA, but the way you work is set and overseen by government.

The comment you are referring to was just nitpicking by someone who is just interested in scoring cheap points.

U.K. state school teachers are not, unlike their counterparts in some European countries, direct government employees, but the role they perform is identical.

Mistigri · 15/10/2020 10:26

Cheap point scoring against public sector workers plus a dig at the London mayor because he's implementing govt policy.

Tories gonna Tory.

DGRossetti · 15/10/2020 10:35

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Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge
BigChocFrenzy · 15/10/2020 10:38

Maybe in 30 years, BJ will be revealed as an SNP mole ?

He's also been far more successful in damaging England than the IRA ever were,
so I wonder if the SNP have a secret Provisional wing of subversive English moles

Ben Page, Ipsos MORI@benatipsosmori

The end of the UK?

Highest EVER recorded support for independence in Scotland (58%)

Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge
DGRossetti · 15/10/2020 10:45

@BigChocFrenzy

Maybe in 30 years, BJ will be revealed as an SNP mole ?

He's also been far more successful in damaging England than the IRA ever were,
so I wonder if the SNP have a secret Provisional wing of subversive English moles

Ben Page, Ipsos MORI@benatipsosmori

The end of the UK?

Highest EVER recorded support for independence in Scotland (58%)

More an EDL mole, I'd say. They'd happily throw Scotland and Northern Ireland out of the UK.

I can however see a statue to Boris somewhere near the Royal Mile. (I can't see an independent Scotland continuing with an honours system - taking a lead from Canada and Australia).

prettybird · 15/10/2020 10:55

@BigChocFrenzy

Maybe in 30 years, BJ will be revealed as an SNP mole ?

He's also been far more successful in damaging England than the IRA ever were,
so I wonder if the SNP have a secret Provisional wing of subversive English moles

Ben Page, Ipsos MORI@benatipsosmori

The end of the UK?

Highest EVER recorded support for independence in Scotland (58%)

Yup - ds pointed out yesterday that it was the first poll to show a significant Yes majority both before and after the Undecideds/Don't Knows were filtered out.
OchonAgusOchonO · 15/10/2020 10:58

Maybe in 30 years, BJ will be revealed as an SNP mole ?

He's also been far more successful in damaging England than the IRA ever were, so I wonder if the SNP have a secret Provisional wing of subversive English moles

I always suspected Margaret Thatcher was an undercover IRA agent as she their most successful recruiter.

DGRossetti · 15/10/2020 11:00

Yup - ds pointed out yesterday that it was the first poll to show a significant Yes majority both before and after the Undecideds/Don't Knows were filtered out.

I'd be curious to see if it has a rolling stone effect - and now it's more the mainstream, people are more inclined to it than if it were some niche view.

prettybird · 15/10/2020 11:07

It will be interesting - I honestly don't know. For the moment, the SNP don't need to campaign (they can't anyway) as BJ and his government of cronies are doing the job for them Wink

I did get annoyed at the BBC News yesterday (might have been on the "Regional News" segment) where the reporter said that Nicola Sturgeon raised the positive poll in her briefing Hmm. No. She. Didn't. Angry

She was asked a question about it and swerved the answer as it was a Covid briefing and that all she was currently doing was trying to do the best by the people of Scotland during these difficult times although you could argue that that in itself was political Wink