Westminstenders: The Tunnel or Bridge

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Apparently negotiations are in the black hole of the EU tunnel or should that be on the back of the fantasy of the Boris Bridge?

Another week closer to complete meltdown.

I'm guessing that our world beating customs solution will be based on blackboard and chalk.

btw, BJ must now be desperately hoping that Biden wins, since he has switched to wooing him

Add that to BJ's scathing comments in 2015 when London Mayor, about Trump
and he would be in deep trouble

iirc, Starmer has sensibly refused to publicly back Biden, just in case.

It's fine if he & BJ now both stick pins in a Trump doll, though !

HesterThrale
When LBC's Nick Ferrari asked Sir Keir if he was "nervous about chlorinated chicken and food products like that," the reply was that he did not want chlorinated chicken.

but followed by;

they [British farmers] are "not saying these products are unsafe."

Oh, are we back to trumpeting the glorious wonders of chlorinated chicken as a Brexit benefit?

I suppose it’s the duty of ToryBrexitannianNationalPlague BeLeaver patriots to distract from today’s Tiers of the Clown by any means necessary.

In case anyone wants it the actual legislation for the Tier System can be found here:

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1103/made
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Local COVID-19 Alert Level) (Medium) (England) Regulations 2020

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1104/made
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Local COVID-19 Alert Level) (High) (England) Regulations 2020

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1105/made
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Local COVID-19 Alert Level) (Very High) (England) Regulations 2020

These are to be debated before the regulations come into force.

They are not small. Tier 2 is 13,000 words long!

It includes an exception rule for Rememberance Sunday.

Turning vegetarian is not the solution, according to that programme though, as the fruit and veg from America is full extremely high levels pesticides instead.

I've just tried to read Tier 1. I give up.

Between Brexit and Covid, Johnson will be knackered soon. Bless him. And you heard it here first, he will resign at the end of January.

Well that's the hope. But who will replace him eh? What an idiot, with the communication skills of a lizard.

All PMs who last more than a couple of years age in office, and with Johnson having had covid, he will probably age even faster. But we have to be careful what we wish for. I wanted Cameron gone, we got May who was worse. I wanted her gone, we got Johnson. If we want him gone which horror might we get? Priti Patel, Suella Braverman? Gove?

Re: antibodies and herd immunity, I'm puzzled as to why that's making headlines again. Hadn't the initial studies indicated antibodies last only about 3 months? I read about one study on French health care workers with those results but can't find it. Here's one other: www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.09.20148429v1

Peregrina

I doubt Johnson cares, it will be his decision. And I can see it coming next year sometime. Well unless Brexit and Covid work out brilliantly due to his strategies, for all of us, not just the Golden Circle. Indeed.

If he blitzed the ERG and then resigned, I would have some respect for the bumbler, but as it stands no PM has managed to curb the party within a party who actually rule the party.

Honestly, it is unreal really. Am I alone in thinking this?

Re Kent's lorry parks...so development plans were approved 5 years ago for an Amazon warehouse. Why is that even mentioned?

First, in any event, nothing's been built so who knows what strings were being pulled. Or whether Amazon was not getting its usual state subsidies for building their giant warehouse facility. Let's remember £16.5m in grants by Scotland and Wales were provided as incentives to help build their respective distribution centres. Perhaps without subsidies on offer it got in a snit and refused to build? Amazon tends to build in economically depressed areas and wants to be supported for the privilege of bringing in jobs.

Second, even one mega warehouse is not quite the same as 7000 lorries queuing, pouring diesel into the air, clogging up A roads etc I would've thought. Bit like comparing apples and oranges but as long as there's a whataboutery argument to be made then it'll be trotted out.

More than arguing about warehouses vs lorry parks, its just so incredibly depressing about Amy Coney Barrett and the US's seemingly irreversible slide towards a weird fascist theocracy. I had been hopeful but today was hit by a convinction that Trump would get re-elected. Like Tories here, republicans have seemingly lost any interest in good government, democratic institutions, and support for the law. Holding onto power is all that matters.

This is not good news

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54512034

R we ever going to get over this shit show of Covid?

[quote DrBlackbird]Re: antibodies and herd immunity, I'm puzzled as to why that's making headlines again. Hadn't the initial studies indicated antibodies last only about 3 months? I read about one study on French health care workers with those results but can't find it. Here's one other: www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.09.20148429v1[/quote]
A far right think tank in the states sponsored a paper which 3 scientists from top universities put their names too - supposedly it is signed by 15000 other scientists- but a lot of those names are plainly made up. I believe it's call the great barrington declaration. That reignited the debate - as all the news agencies decided it needed to be debated .... putting people like Isabel Oakshott up against Prof Gabriel Scally - only one of those people is actually qualified to talk on the subject.

Ah thanks MrsL. That makes sense. Those looking for this 'answer' to Covid jumping on the bandwagon.

Meanwhile the government's big plan to reclaim the empire is becoming clearer. Allow the arts to die off. Insist on no deal. Dom pours billions into 'British' tech firms. Tell everyone with artistic talent to sit in front of computers all day. Take over the world (like his role model Putin). What can possibly go wrong?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/12/ballet-dancer-could-reskill-with-job-in-cyber-security-suggests-uk-government-ad

I saw Dowden trying to distance himself from that ad yesterday, with the excuse that "it had been produced by an outside agency"

Yes, but it was issued in HMG's name - and where is the Cabinet responsibility?

So I've read the Guardian article and while the phrasing of "in cyber" grates on me I'm not seeing a whole lot wrong here, just lots of whining from Caitlin Moran and shadow Ministers. Arts organisations have just received £257m of our money as well and seemingly want even more than the £1.57bn they've been promised and an advert encouraging re-training is bad?

The arts/creative sector contributes over £100 billion to the U.K. economy annually - in fact it's probably the only sector where the U.K. can reasonably claim to be world leading.

And now grinches and Tory stooges want to argue against supporting the creative sector though a once in a lifetime crisis.

Well, fuck them.

Funny in an age when it would be trivial to photoshop this to a passing authenticity someone actually went old school and did it for real.

I have an image of all the instatwitterfacetoks in Doms circle going "How did they do that ?"

And the Republican Party Reptile opines ..

Also

"^So protection of our genuinely 'world-beating' food standards has gone, and the German car industry still hasn't arrived to save us...
It's almost as if 'Brexiters' were talking undiluted twaddle about absolutely everything."^

Meanwhile - as suspected (and warned of) - it seems you really can get Covid twice and it can be nastier the second time.

Not a great beginning to a herd immunity stratgey.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54512034

...

Scientists say the patient caught coronavirus twice , rather than the original infection becoming dormant and then bouncing back. A comparison of the genetic codes of the virus taken during each bout of symptoms showed they were too distinct to be caused by the same infection.

"Our findings signal that a previous infection may not necessarily protect against future infection," said Dr Mark Pandori, from the University of Nevada.

"The possibility of reinfections could have significant implications for our understanding of Covid-19 immunity."

He said even people who have recovered should continue to follow guidelines around social distancing, face masks and hand washing.
...

Have caught up with the thread
shall now go to my very COVID safe gym and cover myself in chlorinated water

@ListeningQuietly

Have caught up with the thread shall now go to my very COVID safe gym and cover myself in chlorinated water

Then as long as you don’t smear yourself with too much faecal matter first, I declare you fit for human consumption

LQ/QOT

Yuk!