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Westminstenders: Pah International Law. Who needs it?

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RedToothBrush · 12/09/2020 18:09

I mean its not as if trade deals and human rights are relevant is it?

(sorry eating my dinner so must be brief)

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Emilyontmoor · 15/09/2020 15:29

Listening When May and Modi visited everyone switched their computer screens to the EU flag and stood on the stairs with print outs of the EU flag. With Cummings trapped in the pod the print outs would be something ruder I suspect........

Emilyontmoor · 15/09/2020 15:35

You don’t need to worry too much about polo - season ends in a couple of weeks. Plus it is an organised sport with a lot less physical contact then, say, rugby?

Crowd of 20,000 on 25 October. What can possibly go wrong?

www.twickenhamstadium.com/quilter-cup-england-v-barbarians

SabrinaThwaite · 15/09/2020 15:41

Exactly - there are currently no spectators at polo, even for the usual fancy big money stuff.

DGRossetti · 15/09/2020 15:42

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/covid-testing-centre-in-kent-shut-down-to-make-way-for-brexit-lorry-park/15/09/

A Covid testing site in Kent which had the capacity to carry out around 2,000 tests a day has been shut in preparation for Brexit.

(contd)

Be curious to see how few times (if at all) Brexit gets mentioned in the Coronavirus forum ....

mrslaughan · 15/09/2020 16:00

DD gone sick from school - most probably tonsillitis- but needs to have a Covid test before she can see a GP - or to go back to school within 2 weeks.
There are no test as available around us - couldn't even get a suggestion of 200miles away.
10 days ago when DS had a fever we had the voice of 100 appointments the next day - just up the road.
I have become incredibly cynical - but could they be limiting tests to hide the true extent of the second peak

Anyway my sister sent me the link to this article which is interesting

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/government-underestimated-speed-of-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-0xzfkcvfh

Darker · 15/09/2020 16:12

@DGRossetti

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/covid-testing-centre-in-kent-shut-down-to-make-way-for-brexit-lorry-park/15/09/

A Covid testing site in Kent which had the capacity to carry out around 2,000 tests a day has been shut in preparation for Brexit.

(contd)

Be curious to see how few times (if at all) Brexit gets mentioned in the Coronavirus forum ....

Maybe they could test the lorry drivers..
durgha · 15/09/2020 16:23

The SNP abstained from voting on Starter's amendment, but voted against second reading of the Internal Market bill. Reasons given by Ian Blackford during the debate, "We will be voting against this Bill this evening but we will not be supporting the reasoned amendment, because of some of the other conditions attached to it, not least that there should be a single market Act that does not enshrine the rights of the devolved nations to be able to protect their own interests—that is the fundamental difference we have this evening".

durgha · 15/09/2020 16:24

Starmer

DGRossetti · 15/09/2020 16:25

@durgha

The SNP abstained from voting on Starter's amendment, but voted against second reading of the Internal Market bill. Reasons given by Ian Blackford during the debate, "We will be voting against this Bill this evening but we will not be supporting the reasoned amendment, because of some of the other conditions attached to it, not least that there should be a single market Act that does not enshrine the rights of the devolved nations to be able to protect their own interests—that is the fundamental difference we have this evening".
Of course the Labour party still have delusions of being relevant in Scotland.
DGRossetti · 15/09/2020 16:27

Incidentally, only just realised there's a new series of Frankie Boyles New World Order on (socially distanced).

Caught first one last night (before S2E4 of Fleabag, which we are thoroughly enjoying for the first time), and thought I'd share this bon mot ...

(referring to Johnson ennobling his family as "nepotism") ...which is like incest for cowards

tantamountto · 15/09/2020 16:56

Is it a failure of diplomacy, or is it something much darker?

borntobequiet · 15/09/2020 19:36

@tantamountto

Is it a failure of diplomacy, or is it something much darker?
It’s both.
AuldAlliance · 15/09/2020 19:39

In the Atlantic linked to above, there is an interview with Alex Vindman. Interesting.
And this stood out for me:

“Authoritarianism is able to take hold not because you have a strong set of leaders who are forcing their way,” he says. “It’s more about the fact that we can give away our democracy. In Hungary and Turkey today, in Nazi Germany, those folks gave away their democracy, by being complacent.”

Rings true for the UK now, too.

ListeningQuietly · 15/09/2020 20:29

Most of the country has completely disengaged from politics

Round here the COVID rate is low and falling

Brexit is not real

But they will all be minglin' Grin

Arborea · 15/09/2020 20:39

BigChocFrenzy said: One consequence of the Brexit ref, which I didn't imagine in my worst case scenario, is that the total fanaticism of its supporters would drive them to support absolutely any action that the government tells them is necessary, even after Brexit has happened, that it would cause them to cheer on the government in tearing up international law, tearing up rights within the UK, attacking fundamental pillars of the British Constitution

Yep, me neither. In fact I expected the mother of all fudges, but that's not looking so likely now Blush

DGRossetti · 15/09/2020 20:46

I'm wondering if the sotto voce response from the EU might be because they remember there are 3 million EU citizens held hostage in the UK and Priti Patel doesn't reassure them ?

DGRossetti · 15/09/2020 20:49

Well worth a read in full ...

bylinetimes.com/2020/01/08/the-harder-the-brexit-the-more-likely-a-united-ireland/

OchonAgusOchonO · 15/09/2020 21:06

@DGRossetti - that's what we've been saying in Ireland from the beginning of this mess.

The main reason Trimble eventually got on board with the notion of peace talks that eventually led to the GFA was he realised it was the best way to delay a united Ireland.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 15/09/2020 21:45

[quote mrslaughan]DD gone sick from school - most probably tonsillitis- but needs to have a Covid test before she can see a GP - or to go back to school within 2 weeks.
There are no test as available around us - couldn't even get a suggestion of 200miles away.
10 days ago when DS had a fever we had the voice of 100 appointments the next day - just up the road.
I have become incredibly cynical - but could they be limiting tests to hide the true extent of the second peak

Anyway my sister sent me the link to this article which is interesting

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/government-underestimated-speed-of-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-0xzfkcvfh[/quote]
DS and I started a nasty cough over the weekend. DS obviously not welcome in school, though I was told to still send DD in Hmm. I chose to remind them of isolation guidance instead and requested that response in writing. We got caught in one of a few local fiascos of sites being advertised as no appointment needed just walk up and queue. Turns out they were also appointment only. Managed to get lucky enough to hit an appointment later on that day but friends in similar positions didn't. Management at the site were very keen to point out they should have been sent over 1000 tests but got about 160 instead. I don't blame them for not backing the government in the face of a lot of angry people being told to queue unnecessarily

SunnyUplandsOhNoTurnipSoup · 15/09/2020 21:49

After the 2016 referendum, there was lots of discussion about the splits the result exposed; young vs old, economic affluence vs deprivation, educated vs less so, and between Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales, England.

It is a tragedy and a disgrace that the May Government then took an extreme position on Brexit to appease extremists in the Conservative party. A different Government might have used the result as a wake up call to try and find a more moderate way to respect the result and to address the huge inequalities that lay beneath it.

Johnson's Government, following on from their Leave campaign, has since worsened divisions to a level I never thought I would see here.

Looking back, it's hard to reconcile the feeling of summer 2012 with the UK now. We are not the same country.

I don't know what will happen. I want to believe that the penny will drop that Brexit, after the transition ends, has not and will never deliver any of the things that were promised or solve the issues people are angry about. No-one will gain unless you are one of the tiny % of venture capitalists Tory party donors who stand to make a shed load from no deal or one of the beneficiaries of this corrupt Government's cronyism

I fear though that what we have seen so far will get worse because plenty of people do not see what is really happening and are easily manipulated. How could anyone, let alone a majority, vote for Desmond Swayne, Bill Cash, Boris Johnson or Priti Patel? this list could go on for pages so I will stop That these people, up on their hind legs in the Commons yesterday are elected in a democracy reflects the state we are in.

Although my usual optimism is waning, good people have to keep trying. This thread is a beacon of hope that we are not alone. Thank you Red and all of you.

ListeningQuietly · 15/09/2020 21:54

Looking back, it's hard to reconcile the feeling of summer 2012 with the UK now. We are not the same country.
Sad

HoneysuckIejasmine · 15/09/2020 21:59

Oh gosh, watching a documentary that featured London 2012 was so upsetting. So much joy and hope.

borntobequiet · 15/09/2020 22:06

@ListeningQuietly

Looking back, it's hard to reconcile the feeling of summer 2012 with the UK now. We are not the same country. Sad
I know I’m quoting a quote. But actually we are the same country. The Olympics were as unrealistic and jingoistic, in their own way, as more recent events. The NHS extravaganza in particular made me feel uneasy, given the problems it had been facing over many years. The feelgood factor was pure illusion.