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RedToothBrush · 28/08/2020 09:47

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HesterThrale · 03/09/2020 08:38

Off-topic, but... it’s hard to dislike Gary Lineker.

Gary Lineker due to welcome refugee to live with him ‘within weeks’

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/02/gary-lineker-signs-up-with-refugees-at-home-charity-to-offer-room

This is even reported in the Mail. Although they did manage to mention his salary more than once.

DrBlackbird · 03/09/2020 09:03

Re: Johnson and being affected by Covid, which is a very generous interpretation of his performance IMO.

Let's not forget that the 2019 election campaign was conducted entirely around the premise that Johnson was kept away from the public gaze. He was interviewed as little as humanly possible and only attended photo shoot opportunities at Brexit friendly businesses.

In fact, Johnson has spent his life writing to the converted rather than standing up to speak to a sceptical audience and having to think on his feet. What we see at PMQ is Johnson. Looking very much like someone who has never had to prepare for anything his entire life.

Any bets for attempts to stop PMQs?

prettybird · 03/09/2020 09:15

Kay Burley on Sky effectively got Matt Hancock to say that it didn't matter that Mr Abbott is a homophobe and misogynist because he's a very good expert on trade HmmAngry

pinkbalconyrailing · 03/09/2020 09:20

new mhra brexit guidance published
www.gov.uk/government/collections/mhra-post-transition-period-information

interesting read, especially with regards to northern ireland's special status.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 03/09/2020 09:27

Honeysuckle posted an excellent link upthread. I was struck by this statement which reminded me of an exchange with Louise about HGV drivers (she seemed to think they will decide to drive sensible hours without 'red tape' being necessary) :

"British proposals on road transport would allow British truckers to drive on EU roads without having to comply with the same working conditions as EU drivers."

The EU are concerned the UK is trying to have all the benefits and none of the costs of belonging to the club - they can see right through the UK negotiators.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 03/09/2020 09:29

Also, cars made in the UK won't be type approved for sale in the EU, after 1 Jan.

Details, details.....

Clavinova · 03/09/2020 09:55

yoikes
Sorry to disappoint you but your comments were deleted before I could read them. Someone else must have reported you on my behalf - it's nice to know this place isn't a complete echo chamber.

prettybird · 03/09/2020 10:18

Have to say, I was able to scroll back after MNHQ posted up about the deletions (a quirk of the app that until you leave the thread, it doesn't delete the posts) and I screenshotted the posts that might - at a pinch - breach the MN Talk guidelines and Yoikes' deleted posts weren't among them Confused

DGRossetti · 03/09/2020 10:37

elemental.medium.com/a-supercomputer-analyzed-covid-19-and-an-interesting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63

Earlier this summer, the Summit supercomputer at Oak Ridge National Lab in Tennessee set about crunching data on more than 40,000 genes from 17,000 genetic samples in an effort to better understand Covid-19. Summit is the second-fastest computer in the world, but the process — which involved analyzing 2.5 billion genetic combinations — still took more than a week.

When Summit was done, researchers analyzed the results. It was, in the words of Dr. Daniel Jacobson, lead researcher and chief scientist for computational systems biology at Oak Ridge, a “eureka moment.” The computer had revealed a new theory about how Covid-19 impacts the body: the bradykinin hypothesis. The hypothesis provides a model that explains many aspects of Covid-19, including some of its most bizarre symptoms. It also suggests 10-plus potential treatments, many of which are already FDA approved. Jacobson’s group published their results in a paper in the journal eLife in early July.

According to the team’s findings, a Covid-19 infection generally begins when the virus enters the body through ACE2 receptors in the nose, (The receptors, which the virus is known to target, are abundant there.) The virus then proceeds through the body, entering cells in other places where ACE2 is also present: the intestines, kidneys, and heart. This likely accounts for at least some of the disease’s cardiac and GI symptoms.

But once Covid-19 has established itself in the body, things start to get really interesting. According to Jacobson’s group, the data Summit analyzed shows that Covid-19 isn’t content to simply infect cells that already express lots of ACE2 receptors. Instead, it actively hijacks the body’s own systems, tricking it into upregulating ACE2 receptors in places where they’re usually expressed at low or medium levels, including the lungs.

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TatianaBis · 03/09/2020 10:45

That would suggest he wasnt a bumbling, incoherent rambling fool before.

Aye. He’s now a bumbling incoherent, rambling fool with post-viral fatigue.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2020 10:50

@TatianaBis

That would suggest he wasnt a bumbling, incoherent rambling fool before.

Aye. He’s now a bumbling incoherent, rambling fool with post-viral fatigue.

The bradykinin hypothesis also accounts for Covid-19’s neurological effects, which are some of the most surprising and concerning elements of the disease. These symptoms (which include dizziness, seizures, delirium, and stroke) are present in as many as half of hospitalized Covid-19 patients. According to Jacobson and his team, MRI studies in France revealed that many Covid-19 patients have evidence of leaky blood vessels in their brains.

Bradykinin — especially at high doses — can also lead to a breakdown of the blood-brain barrier. Under normal circumstances, this barrier acts as a filter between your brain and the rest of your circulatory system. It lets in the nutrients and small molecules that the brain needs to function, while keeping out toxins and pathogens and keeping the brain’s internal environment tightly regulated.

TatianaBis · 03/09/2020 10:53

One common post-Covid symptom for people who’ve been hospitalised, particularly if they were bad enough to be ventilated, is lung damage.

I don’t wish illness on Boris but it’s quite possible that he’s suffering from multi-factorial after affects - lung problems, fatigue-exhaustion, brain fog, neurological issues etc

Squid would know more about it than I do.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2020 11:04

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Westminstenders: Run Forrest Run
TatianaBis · 03/09/2020 11:04

Xpost with DGR.

The bradykinin storm theory affects the lungs too (indeed the whole body) - leaking blood vessels may lead to fluid build-up.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2020 11:09

Well, I hope it's just his natural incompetence and not that he has anything like brain bleeds Sad

TatianaBis · 03/09/2020 11:11

Personally I think what Cummings’ father said was true. Seeing how other people have fared after ICU treatment, I’ve thought it not unlikely that he may have to resign. It was certainly not massively likely that he would be able to crack on and run the country.

It’s a perfect opportunity for Murdoch and Cummings to get Gove in.

As RTB observed - it’s not as if Boris ever made any sense - and he makes even less now.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2020 11:15

Keynote Address by Michel Barnier at the Institute of International and European Affairs

Maybe his speech was through gritted teeth - the UK has not moved one step beyond cake
It's a lovely wishlist, but they should have realised early on that Barnier isn't Father Christmas ....

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/statement200_1553

The UK government is still looking to keep the benefits of the EU and of the Single Market, without the obligations.

The UK often says it would be in the EU's interest to grant it a special status in these strategic areas of cooperation.
But, frankly speaking: Is it really in the EU's long-term economic interest?

For instance:

•	<span class="italic">British proposals on rules of origin would help the UK to develop its role as an assembly hub for the EU!</span>

They would allow the UK to source goods from around the world and export them, with very little alteration, to the EU, as British goods: tariff- and quota-free!

•	<span class="italic">British proposals on road transport would allow British truckers to drive on EU roads without having to comply with the same working conditions as EU drivers.</span>

•	<span class="italic">The UK's proposals on air transport would allow British airlines to operate inside the EU without having to respect the same labour and environmental standards.</span>

•	In the area of energy, the UK is asking to facilitate electricity trade without committing its producers to equivalent carbon pricing and state aid controls.

•	In this area, as in others: without a common framework on state aid, <span class="italic">the UK government would be free to hand out subsidies at will.</span>

Not just to support the green economy, but also polluting industries.
Not just to support industries of the future, but also traditional sectors, such as steel and automotive – before exporting these, tariff and quota-free, to our markets

DGRossetti · 03/09/2020 11:26

Incidentally, the whole bradykinin computing research with supercomputers is what my DB moved to the US to do (he got his PhD at ORNL).

Returning to my stripped down FB feed, it's still happening to an extent - nothing more recent than 24 hours despite my intervention. Luckily I don't rely on FB for news, which is possibly why I noticed. But given recent events around FB, bias and censorship, I'm inclined to bookmark this and keep an eye on it. Partly because their "help" center seems to suggest it's never happened before in history ....

BoreOfWhabylon · 03/09/2020 11:36

@borntobequiet

Story on the radio about Facebook and Twitter disabling social media accounts of Russian bots interfering in elections etc. Goodness me, I wonder if any were on here? And if they've gone away now?
They were all over the Salisbury Novichok threads at the time too.
Peregrina · 03/09/2020 11:43

I can't help but think that the Brexiters really did think that we held the cards, and that deals would be easy. In the past the UK has whined and whined for special deals and got them. This time the rest of the EU's patience has snapped, and now they are prepared to call our bluff. I don't think the Brexiters have yet realised that.

As for the Govt blaming the EU for the ills we are likely to suffer next year, they will try, but it may backfire. If you contrast it with Covid - they are saying that this couldn't have been planned for, which is only partly true but the public having seen the U-turns and the excuses made for Cummings are no longer buying it.

As for Johnson's health - it won't have improved it, but he was a bumbling shambles before then, which might have been an act, but now it's the real thing. I don't think he was ventilated though, so he can't blame that.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2020 12:00

While a member of the EU, the UK managed to stop or change many EU rules, or obtain optouts where this was not possible.

imo many Brexiters thought the Uk would have more power in negotiations after leaving, instead of far far less.

Brexit is often spoken of as divorce, which they might view as the man being able to swan away afterwards with all his "freedom", from any financial and other responsibilities,
but keeping the fun bits he wants

Brexit by DIsney Dads ?

TatianaBis · 03/09/2020 12:15

I didn’t intend to imply Boris was ventilated. It’s just that the worst lung damage is seen in people who have been.

ICU on oxygen is only one step away from ventilation.

But you can get lung problems from Covid even if you haven’t been hospitalised.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2020 12:16

If you contrast it with Covid - they are saying that this couldn't have been planned for

Total and utter bollocks, of course.

TatianaBis · 03/09/2020 12:16

Disney Brexit with purple unicorns...

DGRossetti · 03/09/2020 12:17

But you can get lung problems from Covid even if you haven’t been hospitalised.

So true. All that shouting at people for not wearing masks ...