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Westministenders: Don't forget to stockpile. Again.

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RedToothBrush · 04/08/2020 18:10

The government is telling pharmacists and drug manufactures to stockpile drugs ahead of the end of transition on 31st December.

In the middle of a pandemic.

What could go wrong?

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prettybird · 07/08/2020 10:16

Ironically, my friend's dh is himself a much better Wink builder/bricklayer - but is not himself a developer. It would seem that Linden's quality has gone downhill, perhaps for the reasons you describe, as the whole estate has major problem. The NHBA has said that they won't get involved until they've been in 2 years.

I was going to mention the foundations of Victorian houses. Our house has a lovely wee crack up the middle of it caused by the house twisting Hmm It just gets plastered over. At some point we want to put in double glazing, but large double glazed wooden sash windows don't come in cheap! Shock

It does have 3 foot thick solid stone walls so as long as we don't let them get cold, it's actually quite well insulated except for said windows Wink We know the solidity of the walls as we cut a new window into the kitchen (the one from which I take pictures of our garden): it's the only double glazed window in the house Grin (oh, and the two veluxes)

DGRossetti · 07/08/2020 10:18

Initial snagging was dealt with promptly

Imagine being able to make a living managing "snagging" for BMW customers. Or Mercedes customers. Or Samsung customers. Or Apple customers... ?

But here you are (do not include me in your shared madness !) happily accepting it as a "thing". Wow. The gods of marketing really have done a number in Britain.

pussycatinboots · 07/08/2020 10:19

prettybird she needs to raise it with the warranty company (pos NHBC, although there are many others now) has she got legal cover on her house insurance? Go through them if pos, as it will be expensive.

SabrinaThwaite · 07/08/2020 10:25

Imagine being able to make a living managing "snagging" for BMW customers. Or Mercedes customers.

It’s called PDI and recall.

DGRossetti · 07/08/2020 10:28

Trumps time as a pet shop owner ...

prettybird · 07/08/2020 10:28

She has (NHBC - I got the initials wrong) and they're the ones that have fobbed her off back to Linden and said they won't do anything for 2 years Angry

A number of people on the estate are talking about taking out legal action Shock.

She actually loves the location, her new neighbours and would have loved the house, especially given its size and that with Covid, her large family are all now back home Shock

DGRossetti · 07/08/2020 10:29

@SabrinaThwaite

Imagine being able to make a living managing "snagging" for BMW customers. Or Mercedes customers.

It’s called PDI and recall.

Doesn't matter what it's called. It's shit.
HoneysuckIejasmine · 07/08/2020 10:30

I live in a new build. It's fine. I'm picky - we have a huge garden, loads of parking, it's fully wheelchair accessible (downstairs) and has large, useful rooms. I take the long view to snagging. Yeah there were a few things. I sent an email, they got fixed. If it wasn't a new build, I'd have had to open my wallet. Many friends have bought older houses and it's immediately become clear that the boiler is on its last legs and the roof is dodgy. Surveys have so many caveats they are mostly useless, so they've had to shell out big time to fix and replace. Pros and cons all over.

Reading articles today about the GCSE and A level results being mostly based on statistical analysis and not on teacher assessments. So if he cohort before you were a bit thick then guess what chaps, your grades are going down. Angry

pussycatinboots · 07/08/2020 10:31

he says developers get a lot of blind eyes turned where the solo builder would not.
^this.
When you have a kitchen extension, you'll have exc/founds; drains; floor (pre-slab); roof (so you see everything before it's plasterboarded) then completion. (approx 5 visits for a competent builder)
Newbuild you'd have drains; FF joist; 1st fix (electrics/plumbing) in addition. (approx 8 visits)
Not entirely sure that Non-Local Authority can afford to do that (travel costs)
As an AI employee, DH would do founds; cavity (wall plate); completion for the warranty, and that is all they wanted - nothing else.

SabrinaThwaite · 07/08/2020 10:32

But it demonstrates that BMW and MB build quality can be poor too.

It’s not just Britain.

pussycatinboots · 07/08/2020 10:38

prettybird you could investigate having some restraints fixed. They do marvelous things with wire/reinforcing bars in the mortar joints and epoxy resin which can prevent further movement. No idea if this would work for you, but something to consider perhaps.
(oh, and our regs don't apply "up" your end Grin - yours are more strict Halo and don't allow Approved Inspectors)

re your friend - class action, the whole estate need to sue the pants of Linden. 🤞🏻

prettybird · 07/08/2020 11:02

pussycat - we've had various friends look at it and they've also said that it is normal Victorian settlement - so cosmetic rather than structural (even though the crack goes through both sides of the very solid interior wall). Even the survey (albeit 21 years ago now) commented on it without concern (it wasn't a simple house buyers report - we knew to pay for a proper survey). And our downstairs neighbours (with whom, under Scots Law of the Tenement, we share major structural work like the roof, foundations and pointing) bought 13 years ago, again without issue.

It might be sticking our heads in the sand, but we don't want to raise it with the insurers as it wouldn't just hike our premiums up, it would hike up our neighbours Sad

We do have different regulations and attitudes up here: one is that the mine search is pointless as Glasgow is built on shallow mines, no-one knows any more where they are and the worst cases would already have collapsed by now Shock

prettybird · 07/08/2020 11:05

Re my friend, I think that is the plan Grin

Emails are ignored, delayed or batted back to the owner as their responsibility Angry (Rotting skirting boards, in less than a year. Permanent de-humidifiers Shock).

KonTikki · 07/08/2020 11:14

Treating ferrets like house pets, and walking on leads started, I believe, in America.
We had ferrets as pets, brilliant fun for older children if handled daily.
But they stayed in a hutch outside - which I'm sure they preferred.
Used to let them run around the house for fun though, very cute animals climbing into nooks and crannies, or falling asleep curled up in drawers.

RedToothBrush · 07/08/2020 11:26

This makes it sound like its a breeze and better to buy an older house rather than a new build. You get these problems no matter what you buy, the only choice you have is to understand what you are buying and what the potential risks are (and who is going to try and screw you over in the process)

We bought our first house off plan. It took 6 months longer to build than they initially had said because they screwed up the stairs 3 times (concrete stairs). But we didn't have any issues with snagging. Really good quality, no problems for the entire time we were there bar two lost tiles in gale force winds.

It was in a location we knew well and i knew the historical use of the land and area. Some of the other estates being built at the same time in the area we knew potentially had issues with flooding or subsidence due to their location so we wouldnt touch them (and guess what has happened to those houses. Their value has strangely dipped.)

Fast forward to our new house.

Our solicitor told us our new house was at risk of mining substance and flooding. Which is a bit difficult as its at the top of a hill in an area with no mining history of any kind. And they wouldn't back down.

We ended up having a big argument with them as the stuff they gave us in 'evidence' was a complete shit show. We only kept them as the sale was too far progressed and we'd have lost the house otherwise.

When we moved in we had numerous problems with the house. Far more than we'd ever had with the previous one. But they have been (largely) known quantities and to be expected with the history of the house.

I think for me i take the attitude that you have to take a degree of not taking what you are told at face value and if you are spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on something its wise to research a local area thoroughly yourself for potential historical or topographical issues, as well as employing a (good) solicitor to do land searches. I simply dont trust any of these fuckers anymore.

That said, one of the main reasons we were keen to get off our old estate was due to it being leasehold and there being maintenance charges due to it not being adopted by the local council that we could see becoming an issue in the longer term. We had to pay extra for maintenance of the services and roads (for example we paid for street lighting). We didnt have some of the problems that others who purchased later properties on the estate had as they were on different terms to us, but we could see it still developing as an issue. Theres a ticking financial timebomb on new build properties due to leasehold which so many people buying it dont fully realise because so many mortgage lenders won't issue a mortgage if there is less than 70 years left on the leasehold meaning you cant sell easily unless you pay your way out of the leasehold or extend it even though you own the property the land is on. Its a complete con.

There were definitely shenanigans over it when we bought. When we were sold it by the developer, we were told that it was leasehold for 999 years, then we were told it was leasehold but would revert to freehold on completion of the estate and when the solicitors got the paperwork they discovered that it was 90 years. By this point we'd waited 10 months for it to be built, couldnt afford anything else and were going slightly nuts at my parents so didn't feel we were in a position to argue or walk away. I know that later houses built on the same estate were subject to additional leasehold related charges which increased each year inline with inflation. This increase has seen the monthly charges get to a level which is financially crippling. I know the local MP has been involved over it and other estates in the constituency.

I would never buy leasehold again, because there are too many gremlins hidden in the small print which you dont find out until you get the paperwork in the late stages of purchase if your solicitor is on the ball (i know of people who have only discovered these hidden charges AFTER they've bought). They should be outlawed.

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RedToothBrush · 07/08/2020 11:31

@KonTikki

Treating ferrets like house pets, and walking on leads started, I believe, in America. We had ferrets as pets, brilliant fun for older children if handled daily. But they stayed in a hutch outside - which I'm sure they preferred. Used to let them run around the house for fun though, very cute animals climbing into nooks and crannies, or falling asleep curled up in drawers.
We went for a walk at the Goyt Valley last Wednesday.

There were a couple walking their cat. If thats not crazy enough, when they got in the car to leave one of them sat in the back with the cat. It was like the cat was being chauffeured.

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pussycatinboots · 07/08/2020 11:34

Red I agree. The leasehold situation is probably as bad as the workmanship of the brick-clad prefabs (which is what a lot of newbuilds actually are). Removing s106 and a full planning application procedure means "social"/"low-cost" housing will become slum housing very quickly.
All that effort to build something truly shite - why even bother?

DGRossetti · 07/08/2020 11:40

I would never buy leasehold again

If DF drilled one thing into my noggin over the years it was to avoid leasehold like the plague. Sadly, because beggars and wheelchair users can't be choosers, we had to take our bungalow leasehold. However we moved heaven and earth to buy the freehold - which is why our savings are depleted but still worth every penny.

The emerging horror stories of new builds and their byzantine and very expensive leases merely underscores the point.

pussycatinboots · 07/08/2020 11:45

It was like the cat was being chauffeured.
erm, I do that when taking mine to the vet - they will not accept a carrier.
😹🙄

DGRossetti · 07/08/2020 11:46

www.lbcnews.co.uk/politics/brexit/355-million-public-money-northern-ireland-business-europe/

Up to £355 million of taxpayers' money will be spent to help companies in Northern Ireland deal with extra bureaucracy caused by Brexit.

Businesses in the region will receive the funding to help them cope with the additional paperwork associated with bringing in goods from Great Britain or the rest of the world.

The announcement - under the name Trader Support Service - comes as Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster Michael Gove visits Northern Ireland.

(contd)

seems Clav has given up ?

SabrinaThwaite · 07/08/2020 11:49

I think Clav is busy on the Covid threads.

Jason118 · 07/08/2020 12:08

They've announced this along with the details of the porous/not porous NI EU border proposals. I'd normally link to them, but started reading them and got to angry. It's so full of holes it's ridiculous.

Jason118 · 07/08/2020 12:08
  • too angry
DGRossetti · 07/08/2020 12:10

Funny how 10 years ago it was Scotland that was more likely to become independent. Now Irish unification seems a dead cert. Especially if the UK keep sending people who sound like Michael Gove to tell the people of Northern Ireland how much they mean in the UK.

JeSuisPoulet · 07/08/2020 12:11

I follow a Bengal cat on Insta who goes on treks with his owners (Suki Cat - sukiicat) and there's a lady who walks her ferret along Herne Bay beach on a lead. My mum once left me alone in the house and went out over night ferreting with some parents of kids I went to latchkey with (there were a few reasons I was sent to boarding school!) which she said was fascinating.

Red I remember hearing about that on R4, whole programme dedicated to Leaseholds on new builds and rising costs. It's truly shocking what they are allowed to get away with. Local developer here (specializes in 5 bed "country cottages" for DFL's with no grass gardens - too much maintenance apparently but does cause resultant localised flooding) keeps trying to buy up land next to the hospital and offering to "rebuild" bits of it. Thankfully to date they have managed to stave him off but you can see how cash strapped trusts might buckle. He also tried to buy out a local grammar and swap their prime land for a flood plane... Nice chap Hmm

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