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Westminstenders: Operation Shock and Awe

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RedToothBrush · 13/07/2020 10:32

The government is launching its get ready for the end of transition campaign which has been dubbed a 'shock and awe' campaign.

In this campaign we will learn all about what Brexit means and what amazing opportunities lie for having increased customs and borders, beaucracy and increased costs. Bet you are all really excited and looking forward to this.

We will also get a 'Farage Garage' in Kent to cope with these wonderful opportunities in traffic jams. This will be something that businesses throughout the country will be super excited to plan for in their socially distanced Zoom meetings or across warehouses with their face masks on. And banks will be delighted to see an uptick in applications in CCJs and debt reconstruction plans.

It will be a super fun time for the under 30s who have zero hours contracts, worked in retail or hospitality. Or should I say 'worked'.

Meanwhile the right to a jury trial has been binned due to 'long covid delays' which are shorter than they were several years ago. The NHS isn't getting the funding it expected, and waiting lists are longer than ever with no way to clear them. The plan to build more hospitals seems to have disappeared with the Nightingales. Many councils are about to go into insolvency and be taken over by accountancy firms. The civil service is being dismantled and conservative loyalists with no experience being put in charge of important functions of state. Communications with the press are being 'streamlined' to make them incredible of holding power to account and only able to repeat government public announcements.

Anyone looking forward to Christmas? When you write a letter to Santa remember to add 'visa application form', 'a sleeping bag for use at Dover', 'tinned tomatoes' and 'packets of seeds to grow your own' to the list.

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JeSuisPoulet · 18/07/2020 09:06

Brexit and the impact on Amazon sales and imports www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/17/boris-johnson-coronavirus-workplace-guidance-confused-unions and possibly sooner than Jan ''Whilst Amazon say that the changes will apply from the 1st of January 2021, in reality you might find impacts of the Amazon FBA Brexit bombshell start to impact you earlier. For instance, if you already have stock in Pan-European FBA it is feasible that Amazon will repatriate your stock before the end of the year and certainly are likely to stop sending your stock to Europe at an earlier date. This means that certainly around Christmas, perhaps sooner, your European sales will start to decline.''

JeSuisPoulet · 18/07/2020 09:26

And then this yorkshirebylines.co.uk/uk-single-market-white-paper-irony-so-bitter-it-makes-your-eyes-bleed/?fbclid=IwAR1XTRtjLe-3ruSD7v4_DpY4EReM_xUc2-jNurkZHFxmF7VBd4R9FZDCAto

The problem for the government is that it is continuing to claim two contradictory things. Firstly, that British national sovereignty overrides the economic cost of leaving the EU. On the other hand, for Scotland the opposite is true and the economic facts of life are far more important than sovereignty.

notimagain · 18/07/2020 09:30

Have the Yanks started making RHD cars ?

For specialist applications yes..

www.spslandforces.com/story/?id=265&h=The-right-hand-drive-Humvee-was-developed-with-an-emphasis-on-South-East-Asia-and-especially-India

Not sure I'd want to go shopping at Sainsburys in one...

SabrinaThwaite · 18/07/2020 10:00

Maybe the UK will be swamped with US Mail vans as part of the US/UK trade deal?

Peregrina · 18/07/2020 10:04

I don't wish to be unkind to the Indians, but I would not like to drive a car over there.

DGRossetti · 18/07/2020 12:23

@Peregrina

I don't wish to be unkind to the Indians, but I would not like to drive a car over there.
A guilty pleasure in the past was "Ice Road Truckers" and they did a spin off where they had to drive one of Indias deadliest roads ... Shock Shock Shock Shock Shock (and it's worth noting that it was Lisa Kelly who was the only driver to complete the journey, after taking over two male truckers loads when they decided it was too dangerous)
DrBlackbird · 18/07/2020 12:48

In the spirit of several comments about women/mothers bearing the brunt of lockdown childcare / home ed / work juggling and now possibly finding themselves disproportionately on the receiving end of redundancies etc. I found this Guardian article interesting and not unpredictable.

The comment about their realisation that it's not 'parents' being criticised or judged, but rather it's only 'mothers' resonates, but the irony of this being pointed out by two men and so perhaps heard by other men is not lost on me either.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/18/mums-day-off-is-it-what-adopting-as-a-same-sex-couple-taught-us

dontcallmelen · 18/07/2020 12:58

@JeSuisPoulet I’m so sorry that you are having such a tough time 💐

DGRossetti · 18/07/2020 16:54

Seems that "bylines" are popping up everywhere ...

northeastbylines.co.uk/no-to-no-deal-brexit-at-nissan-sunderland/

A group of concerned local residents from the North East are planning a socially distanced protest outside the Nissan factory in Sunderland (Washington). The group will call on the government to reject a No Deal Brexit as members are worried that this would risk jobs and seriously damage the economy. The protest will take place on Monday 20th July.

(contd)

Now where that was posted on my FB feed (via scientists for the UK) the comments are sadly not very supportive the TL;DR being "This is what you voted for, so don't act all surprised. We tried to warn you and were slated snowflakes for our troubles ...."

Not a very "hands over the ocean"/ "healing the divide sort" of sentiment at all .....

Peregrina · 18/07/2020 17:00

This popped up on one of my facebook feeds too, and I gather that the people protesting were Remainers. This is an important point, I think. It does seem that Leavers haven't woken up yet. When Leavers stand up to say they voted leave, and now regret it, then will be the time to start going the other mile to heal the divide.

DGRossetti · 18/07/2020 17:15

@Peregrina

This popped up on one of my facebook feeds too, and I gather that the people protesting were Remainers. This is an important point, I think. It does seem that Leavers haven't woken up yet. When Leavers stand up to say they voted leave, and now regret it, then will be the time to start going the other mile to heal the divide.
That will never happen. If we take these boards as being a microcosm - albeit lumpy - of the country as a whole, then you'd agree with me.

You won - get over it still has a long way to play out.

I look forward to the point on the graph where brexiteers complain (without any self awareness, of course) that Brexit is turning to shit because there are "too many remainers" crosses the reality threshold, and you'll hear a "Brexit is shit because there are more Remainers than us ..."

Still, as we lumber into the future, I think Brexit will prove to be a total non issue compared to the UKs position in the forthcoming world war, because things generally aren't getting better are they ?

That long-cited "prediction" (is it our matey Our Lady Mickey ?) that the next Monarch of England (presumably King Charles III) will be the last might start to make sense.

TheABC · 18/07/2020 17:51

You do a nice line in bleak humour, @DGRossetti.

Who are the most likely candidates for the next global war?

Jason118 · 18/07/2020 18:25

You could argue that we are already in the middle of it. Authoritarian USA/UK vs Authoritarian China/Russia, the rest of the world deciding who to align with. The only smidgeon of hope lies with the EU, but as a foreign policy organisation, apart from trade, they carry little weight.

DGRossetti · 18/07/2020 18:58

@TheABC

You do a nice line in bleak humour, *@DGRossetti*.

Who are the most likely candidates for the next global war?

Not quite sure what part of "global" suggests it makes a difference ?
JeSuisPoulet · 18/07/2020 19:32

Thanks @dontcallmelen - felt a bit foolish after posting that last night tbh! Dd has found the harmonica today, so there's always a new low to be found Wink

@DrBlackbird thanks for that link. I think the overly critical other mothers hit's the nail on the head there for my week! Still I have the comfort of a positively radioactively glowing report for dd to smugly clutch to my chest - all is not lost!

ListeningQuietly · 18/07/2020 21:16

JeSius
Not foolish - from the heart and what you said utterly struck a nerve with me
then again at the moment my DH and kids are smelting cider cans in the remains of the BBQ ; as you do

squid4 · 18/07/2020 21:43

Tired wave.

DrBlackbird · 18/07/2020 22:01

Well done re your DD' s report Poulet especially this year of all years.

DrBlackbird · 18/07/2020 23:28

Just read Chris Grey's blog from today about how The Torygraph has commented on John Longworth's report titled 'Replacing the WA'.

This argues that the government should unilaterally create a new ‘Sovereignty Compliant Agreement’ (which would include ditching the NI protocol) and tear up the WA because it's not 'sovereignty compliant' despite Johnson signing it only 6 months ago. And if the EU does not agree to the new agreement, the UK should not be bound by the WA.

Made me think about how DH and I were watching The Rise of the Nazis the other night and he commented on how easily it could be for democracy to be lost again including here in the UK. There did seem to be some disturbing parallels. After reading about the actions of DHS federal agents in Portland in the US, it feels like we're living through very dark times.

RedToothBrush · 18/07/2020 23:40

This appears to be a rehashed daily mail reporting of an original Times article (which I'm afraid is pay walled)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8536147/Ministers-told-UK-brink-running-food-Macron-warned-close-borders.html
Macron 'forced Boris's hand on lockdown' by threatening to close border and ministers were told Britain was on brink of running out of food

Ministers were told Britain was on the brink of running out of food after the French President warned he would close his country's borders.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock was told at the start of the Covid-19 crisis the UK's food supply chain was about to 'fall over' as workers at French ports failed to turn up.

It is also claimed that three days before Britain went into lockdown, on March 20, Emmanuel Macron told Prime Minister Boris Johnson to act now or France will close its borders.

Referring to the start of the coronavirus crisis, an official told The Times: 'None of the workers in French ports were turning up that first weekend.

'It wasn't clear we were going to have enough food for the weekend ahead.'

Now the irony here is that in forcing lockdown to keep the border open (I think we talked about the pressure Macron put on at the time), with the benefit of hindsight that the lockdown on 23rd March was too late, and against advice to lockdown earlier, he might have saved a lot of British lives and stopped us from starving too by not needing to close the border to protect French lives from our sheer idiocy.

The mind kind of boggles reading this article, and the reality of Brexit sovereignity that this reveals. We have to cooperate and work with our closest neighbours because we live on a fucking island and import most of our food via France.

For once we should be actively bloody thanking Macron for forcing shut down when he did cos God knows where we'd be now if we'd stayed open for even longer.

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/07/2020 23:49

Taking back control .....

www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jul/18/pressure-from-trump-led-to-5g-ban-britain-tells-huawei

The British government privately told the Chinese technology giant Huawei that it was being banned from Britain’s 5G telecoms network partly for “geopolitical” reasons following huge pressure from President Donald Trump

Peregrina · 18/07/2020 23:53

The French lockdown at noon on 17th March. I know, I was there. It made our hiring a car a complete waste of time because we couldn't go anywhere.

DrBlackbird · 18/07/2020 23:54

All of this makes me feel like building a bunker and stocking up sooner rather than later, but my god it beggars belief.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/07/2020 23:57

Yep, red Macron may have saved tens of thousands of British lives
Exponential growth is particularly unforgiving of dithering

(behind Times paywall) 22 days of dither and delay on coronavirus that cost thousands of British lives

http://archive.is/61c1j#selection-1329.54-1341.153

After being initially hostile to the idea, the prime minister put his libertarian instincts to one side and agreed in principle that a lockdown would be necessary.

However, rather than locking down immediately, there was a further nine-day delay as he deliberated over how and when a lockdown should be introduced.

That prevarication proved, for some, to be fatal.

New back-dated modelling assessing the historic spread of the disease
.... estimates the number of people infected in the UK was indeed doubling every three days during late February and early March,
just as some of the initial reports from China in late January had suggested they might.

The work, produced jointly by an Imperial College London team led by Samir Bhatt and Oxford University, suggests that

on March 3 - the day the government committee was warned about the dire consequences of a mitigation approach -
there were about 14,000 infections in the UK.

Such was the speed of the spread of the virus that 200,000 people were estimated to be infected by the time the government began to change its mind about its policy on Saturday, March 14.

The last nine days while Johnson wrestled over the decision on when and how to go for lockdown were particularly brutal.

By the time the lockdown was announced on Monday, March 23, such large numbers were doubling over such a short period that infections are estimated to have soared to 1.5 million.

According to the data, no other large European country allowed infections to sky-rocket to such a high level before finally deciding to go into lockdown.

Those 20 days of government delay are the single most important reason why the UK has the second highest number of deaths from the coronavirus in the world.

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HoneysuckIejasmine · 19/07/2020 00:00

The comments on that Mail article 🤦🏻‍♀️

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