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Westministenders: Can you tell your Rs from Elbows?

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RedToothBrush · 01/07/2020 19:38

This week Mark Sedwill has resigned (or was he pushed?) and David Frost (chief brexit lead) was appointed National Security Adviser in a move that enraged Theresa May. The former prime minister felt that his appointment was unprofessional and that was a political appointment not an independent one and that he lacked experience. Of course in terms of national security we still haven't had that report on Russia and I don't believe The Intelligence and Security Committee has yet been named (not sat since Johnson was appointed as PM).

We have passed the deadline for extending transition and we have now apparently said that negotiations on the end of transition will finish at the end of September.

The bill ending Free movement of people has been signed, amongst much fanfare by the Conservatives saying they have delivered on the Referendum promise. However we might have up to 3million Hong Kongers who we are willing to allow into the country which might not go down too well with those who were unhappy with 'unrestricted EU immigration'.

We also have the demonstration of utter incompetence, outsourcing and lack of coordination and communication from central government and local government in the covid-19 crisis. A national scandal that isn't being properly reported by the press and leave you with the very large question of who is this government serving? If its contract with Deloittes over testing didn't require them to report positive tests to Public Health England, what was the point in the testing? How can this be consistent with 'The Government’s new approach to biosecurity will bring together the UK’s world-leading epidemiological expertise and fuse it with the best analytical capability from across Government in an integrated approach.' and will provide real time analysis and assessment of infection outbreaks at a community level, to enable rapid intervention before outbreaks grow.?

The growing feeling that Brexit is being exploited by this government for personal interests and those of big business at the expense of the general public is one which was feared and grows harder to argue against by the day.

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squid4 · 08/07/2020 08:56

A patient I admitted with covid19 end of April has just been stepped down to the ward after 63 days intubated.

I check on him remotely every day and had a little moment when I saw that.

The terrible death toll is certainly not the whole story. Huge amounts of morbidity from this.

(He had no underlying medical problems, extremely fit and well.)

mrslaughan · 08/07/2020 09:10

I would trust Jenny Harries as far as I could spit her.......
She of justifying the reduced level of PPE , because the gov had ducked up the supply chain. I note she wasn't putting herself at risk.....

prettybird · 08/07/2020 09:12

That's good news squid4

But it's salutary that he'd been fit and well with no underlying health conditions. Sad

It's the message we keep on pointing out to ds: he might be 19 and might probably just get it mildly, but he's a mad keen obsessed rugby player and his aspirations would definitely be adversely affected if it in anyway affected his lungs Shock

As far as we can make out, when he's gone out with his friends in the evenings (three times since he came back down 2 weeks ago), he assures us that they stay socially distanced while they wander around the park in the dark Hmm He takes a wee Bluetooth speaker with him so that they can sit and listen to music.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 08/07/2020 09:14

@squid4

A patient I admitted with covid19 end of April has just been stepped down to the ward after 63 days intubated.

I check on him remotely every day and had a little moment when I saw that.

The terrible death toll is certainly not the whole story. Huge amounts of morbidity from this.

(He had no underlying medical problems, extremely fit and well.)

Gosh, that's a long time intubated. Poor man.
RedToothBrush · 08/07/2020 09:32

Question:
Why is it up to Boohoo to launch an investigation into working practises at its suppliers?

www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53331994?__twitter_impression=true
Boohoo launches independent review of UK suppliers

Sarah O'connor @sarahoconnor_
2017, C4: "Leicester sweatshops exposed"
2018, FT: "Exploitation in UK garment industry"
2019, BBC: "Leicester...fast fashion sweatshops"
Jan 2020, Guardian: "Alarm over UK fast fashion factories"

Jun 2020, Hancock: "Clearly some problems have been under the radar in Leicester"

Who actually is responsible for looking at and enforcing these allegations?

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RedToothBrush · 08/07/2020 09:36

Peter Foster @pmdfoster
🔥🔥🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🥊 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 NEW: Edinburgh/SNP says it will fight London/Tories is they legislate to force Scotland to accept whatever food standards emerge from post #brexit trade deals. This is only start of how Brexit threatens to break Union. Stay with me 1/thread
amp.ft.com/content/246da90c-3a79-4a96-bdf0-d4b09619339e?__twitter_impression=true
Edinburgh threatens to defy London on post-Brexit legislation

As @Feorlean Mike Russell, Scottish constitutional secretary tells @MureDickie the UK govt plans to enforce the new 'internal market' after Brexit risks provoking the biggest constitutional crisis since #Brexit vote in 2016...but why? /2

Because in order for UK trade negotiators to negotiate for "all UK" they basically need to be able create a "level playing field" across the Union so that whatever they negotiate applies to all - hence plans for a UK Internal Market Bill in the Autumn /3

It's not hard to see how that can create problems.

Because doing these trade deals, not just with the US, but also with the Asia-pacific CPTPP countries (like Aus, NZ etc) is going create hard choices on divisive stuff like GMOs, Pesticide residues etc /4

You'll have heard about "chlorinated chicken/hormone-raised beef)...but that's really only the tip of the political iceberg on trade, as the govt discovered recently with 1m signatories to the @NFUtweets that forced @trussliz to beat a tactical retreat/3

amp.ft.com/content/fc4c270b-9d05-4913-aad2-8e0f8b845dda?__twitter_impression=true
UK farmers win concession on post-Brexit agricultural trade policy

But source with knowledge of the plans for the UK Internal Market Bill (White Paper, we hear in the next week or three) speak to the fact that Beis/DiT do NOT want to have hands tied to do these deals - that's ringing alarm bells./6

Farming, fishing conservation, environmental and animal welfare groups all note that despite the "warm words" on standards/welfare, the government is thus far allergic to enshrining those commitments in law - remember the block of amendments to Agriculture Bill? /7

So why does this threaten to ignite the constitutional powder keg?

Well, because when UK was an EU member, it's 'internal market' was effectively the EU's single market, with shared rules for everyone.

Then Brussels imposed the discipline. After #Brexit London must do so /8

That means cutting across policy areas - agriculture, foods standards, state aid - that are currently 'devolved' competences - partly because at the time the devolution settlements emerged no-one envisaged UK leaving the EU. Now the govt must create a UK level playing field/9

This would be challenging at the best of times, but when the devolved government is your implacable political opponent, as the SNP are the Tories, that is clearly a recipe for serious friction and tension as we head into next year's Holyrood elections./10

As new standards emerge - say using GMOs, or accepting cheaper imports with higher pesticide residues, or egg powder raised in batter cages - the Scottish/Welsh government is in a perpetual bind: accept them, or refuse them (and get undercut) /11

So @GeorgePeretzQC cites example of where UK does a trade that rules out minimum alcohol pricing (which the US, say, might say is anti-competitive, but is a Scottish govt policy) then to enforce the deal, the UK will have to legislate over heads of Scottish government /12

And these are live issues - in the leaked reports of 2018 US-UK exploratory trade talks, US negotiators did bring up the question of how the deal would land in the devolved administrations. (h/t @DavidHenigUK for that one)...and the UK basically said 'we'll get back to you" /13

Well, now the #Brexit rubber is starting to hit the road. Parts of this government are very happy to pick the fight with the SNP as @michaelgove showed at weekend) dismissing the SNP anger as "confected" when it cuts to the heart of devolution/14

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-anger-over-post-brexit-trade-standards-power-grab-2904277
SNP anger over post-Brexit trade standards ‘power grab’
A row has broken out over UK Government plans to enshrine a UK “internal market” in law after Brexit, after the Scottish Government’s Constitution Secretary has warned it would undermine devolution.

The fact that the government is looking to barrel through this UK Internal Market legislation in the autumn is also raising concerns in the bits of Whitehall that are alive to the political/constitutional sensitivities here - this should 'Handle With Care' stamped all over it/15

But in the nature of this #Brexit there is ridiculously little time to implement a whole host of complex and delicate changes - just ask the hauliers, the logisticians, the chemical, pharma, and automakers - but we crash onwards. /16

None of which is to mention Northern Ireland and the other volatile bit of the Union which was, in theory, 'fixed' by the NI Protocol. Whether, in practice, that is the case will depend on its implementation, and how the politics of that lands in NI /17

The danger, as I see it, is that if the London govt treats Scotland with the disdain bordering on contempt that it has treated Northern Ireland these last four years, that accidents really might happen. FWIW I hope they don't. /18

You can read Mike Russell's letter to Michael Gove here, which elucidates some of the plans which are rattling the devolved administrations - but will also raise BIG Qs about UK govt's future real intentions standards/doing trade deals. /19
See Peter fosters thread if you want to read it

All this makes it timely that @anandMenon1 @UKandEU is hosting #isolationinsight webinar on Brexit and Devolution with @haywardkaty @DanielWinc @McEwenNicola ...this one is gonna run and run ENDS

BTW anyone seen the latest Polling on support for Scottish independence? Covid-19 handling has led to it being up to 54% in favour. This is something to watch as unemployment starts to bite...

Westministenders: Can you tell your Rs from Elbows?
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DrBlackbird · 08/07/2020 09:40

It seems that BJ, DC, MG, JRM et al are being less bothered these days to conceal just how utterly contemptuous and dismissive they are of the 'great unwashed' (i.e. all of us).

I imagine they always were or else why resort to such manipulative tactics and lies to influence votes in the referendum. However, they took greater pains back then to hide their contempt.

Pre election, JRM's comment about Grenfell victims and more recently BJ's on care home staff, plus the upcoming US-style press briefings, less transparent BSC meetings... any other recent moves?

The consolidation of power at the centre and control over information all disturbingly tellingly of how we ignorant plebeians are to do as we're told and not to question our betters and masters.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/07/2020 10:19

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/treasury-committee/news-parliament-2017/chair-comment-income-tax-coronavirus-19-21/

HMRC guidance published yesterday (6 July) clarified that employees will face a taxable benefit in kind when their employer pays for coronavirus testing.

This means that employees will pay Income Tax when their employer pays for a test.
^ As many employers will require these tests on a regular basis, the tax bills could soon mount up.^

Rt Hon. Mel Stride MP, Chair of the Treasury Committee, has written to Rt Hon. Rishi Sunak MP, Chancellor of the Exchequer, to look into this matter as soon as possible.
.....
“Many employees, especially healthcare and hospitality workers, are required to undergo regular coronavirus testing. This new guidance is unclear and will worry a large number of workers.

“If these tests are to be treated as a taxable benefit in kind, the tax bill for workers could soon mount up.

“Many of our key workers could be faced with the perverse incentive of avoiding employer-sponsored tests in order to reduce their tax bill.

“This cannot be right.
I’ve asked the Chancellor to look into this as soon as possible.”

BigChocFrenzy · 08/07/2020 10:33

Major's govt was brought down in the end by Tory sleaze ....

(voters elected him in 92, so they obviously forgave the 1980s deindustrialisation, massive NHS waiting lists, even the poll taxI

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/calls-for-inquiry-into-ppe-contract-cwmtgr3mx?shareToken=4a0f0103b4adea15b12b5e0861f37558

The government is under pressure to explain why an obscure finance business was granted a £252.5 million government contract to supply face masks to the NHS and care workers,
despite having no apparent record in the area.

Labour yesterday demanded an inquiry into how Ayanda Capital, a small company whose directors include Tim Horlick, former husband of City figure Nicola Horlick, had won the lucrative deal.

Ayanda is owned by a company based in a tax haven and its directors have a chequered trading history.
It describes itself as an investment firm focused on currency trading, offshore property, private equity and trade finance.

The Department of Health and Social Care yesterday declined to reveal details of the contract or tendering process,
or whether a government adviser on Ayanda’s board had any role in securing the deal.

DGRossetti · 08/07/2020 10:34

The challenge is to make sure the lorries go where they’re told to go

I've worked in logistics. Unless you put concrete barriers either side of the lorry, you have no hope.

One system I worked on used the weighbridge at a steel stockholder to ensure lorries were leaving with the right load. When I saw the metrics they had at least 5 lorries a week get to the destination before they realised they had the wrong load.

Oh, and another system I worked on we got a refund from a industrial external cabinet manufacturer after their "indestructible" cabinet was found blown open by a driver who couldn't get his swipe card to lower the road bump (they used to have a barrier, but drivers just went through it).

If you're relying on drivers to do the right thing ... you've already failed.

(With a nod to another thread on MN, the transport office was awash with "cunts").

Happy days Smile

ListeningQuietly · 08/07/2020 10:35

Rapid U Turn #479
www.personneltoday.com/hr/coronavirus-testing-kits-classified-as-a-benefit-in-kind/

ListeningQuietly · 08/07/2020 10:37

DGR
Ah the joys of freight forwarding.
Most of the country has no idea at all
they think that setting tariffs at 0% will solve everything
bless

BigChocFrenzy · 08/07/2020 10:41

Sadly, a late & v rushed bare bones deal for tariffs & quotas would be presented as a "Great victory" for the UK

and the consequences to British business next year as "EU punishment"

Tanith · 08/07/2020 10:51

Just been emailed by one of our resources suppliers. Disposable gloves are back in stock - at nearly £20 for a box of 100!
This time last year, they were about £4.

I'm also seeing complaints that gloves bought on amazon from some suppliers are dirty, damaged, and poor quality.

Why is PPE still so difficult to source? Is it being stockpiled, or siphoned off elsewhere?

DGRossetti · 08/07/2020 11:00

Voters elected Major because they are as a main decent folk and like to give a chap a chance.

It's why Brown would have been given 5 years if he had the balls to go to the country.

It's why May would have got a majority if she had called an election as soon as she became PM.

The only silver lining is that Brown and May refused to call an election for fear it would validate the "We didn't vote for you" argument from people who are accused of not understanding our electoral system when the reality is they understand it only too well. And a change of PM is effectively a change of government without an election.

Still, the only correct use for the word "democracy" in future will be on a Scrabble board.

Speaking of democracy, following a snippy comment yesterday, here's one for the Brexiteers.

How many mens toilets in a Brexiteers pub ?
None: 51% of the customers are women.

Boom-tish.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/07/2020 11:21

Brown and May lacked the courage to risk losing power for their party & themsleves

Their decisons were motivated entirely by party politics and personal power & prestige, imo

without consideration of stirring up arguments about the electoral / constitutonal system

51% toilet decision though - BOOM ! Grin

yoikes · 08/07/2020 11:35

Here's a thing....
The laptops for poorer/vulnerable children have still not arrived at our school.
They were ordered in March. We break up on Friday.
According to one of our govs who works for a the tech form building them, 60,000 of the schools allocation were siphoned off to DEFRA....that pesky no deal Brexit again!
Our children have been utterly failed.

DGRossetti · 08/07/2020 11:38

Brown and May lacked the courage to risk losing power for their party & themsleves

And paid a price.

oh, no, sorry. The country paid the price.

DGRossetti · 08/07/2020 12:02

UK Brexit negotiators depart for Brussels.

Westministenders: Can you tell your Rs from Elbows?
OldLace · 08/07/2020 12:11

@Yoikes

Both my kids qualified for the 'free' (loan of) a suitable laptop.
I have heard nothing back from School since, I assume this is why
(except would I like to buy a 'leavers T shirt' - I would not...)

BigChocFrenzy · 08/07/2020 12:19

I was NOT impressed by the Harries' Webchat this morning on shielded children

I doubt if those worried about the end of shielding for their kids or themselves would have been informed or reassured
about return to school or work

It could have been very useful - especially if not a planned 30 minutes reduced to even less time.

mrslaughan · 08/07/2020 12:20

Anyone listen to Keir Starmer and PMQ

DGRossetti · 08/07/2020 12:21

I was NOT impressed by the Harries' Webchat this morning on shielded children

I think the time I spent listening to magpies having a good old gossip was better spent.

mrslaughan · 08/07/2020 12:24

End of feb I had suspected covid19 (husband came back from Singapore 😳) ever since then when doing cardiovascular exercise - I have really struggled with lung capacity.... I am also asthmatic and it's a bad time of year for me ..... but I couldn't help but worry that I may have had some permanent lung damage. I was so relieved yesterday that my lungs were so much better yesterday - yay. Still asthma-ry but could actually continue with what was intensive cardio.... such a relief.

JeSuisPoulet · 08/07/2020 13:03

Had a hard morning talking to my friend who has been suffering with what the doctors seem to agree is "post viral" symptoms. She is in severe pain which started around/under her left shoulder blade, radiated down her arm, then went on to cause stabbing pains in her legs, then back up the other side and up her neck. She was blue lighted to hospital twice in one month. She's had bloods, covid/antibody tests, chest X-ray, head CT, appt with a neurologist, kidney specialist due to sudden pelvic and urinary pain (they found a small fatty lump but said it isn't worth operating on) and is on serious pain medication for it. She was on some that made her suicidal but those have been swapped now thankfully. Her parents have decided now to throw whatever they can at it financially to help find a diagnosis as she is barely functioning and having to fight all the way through NHS. She has an appointment with another neuro tomorrow at the private hospital but the GP hasn't sent all of her notes over to be looked over as she explicitly asked. She is convinced there is a tumor in her back by her shoulder blade pressing on her Brachial plexus pr a tumor on the right of her brain causing phantom pain (she also mentioned forgetfulness - leaving air fryer on and forgetting to put a seat belt on her youngest Sad). I am so sad for her. She is literally one of the kindest people I have ever met and to see her having such dark thoughts and crying about the possibility of dying and leaving her two young children is heartbreaking. If anyone can recommend anything they can test for or scans she should be having we would be very grateful.

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